What is Digg?57 Comments
- smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -1/+12Distiller's grain? God. Do we have to feed animals all of these by-products of other processes?
FTA:"The scientists at the Roman L. Hruska U.S. Meat Animal Research Center say they still don't know why the number of beef recalls soared in 2007 or why E. coli contamination appeared to be rising."
I'll tell you why. Antibiotics. We're not supposed to get meat/dairy from animals that have taken antibiotics, but they are reaching the markets much earlier than they're supposed to, or they are not being kept out of the market. I doubt we'd ever get a study like that. What is REALLY stopping ranchers and farmers from hiding treated animals and selling them?
Monsanto sues people who simply state their products don't have rBST in it and Monsanto gets away with it.
The logic is pretty simple. Bacteria get stronger and develop resistance to antibiotics. Why is that not the focus of the study, but distiller's grain is? What a red herring. - FlashBazbo, on 01/28/2008, -0/+7You just described Monsanto's business model.
- gotterdammerung, on 01/28/2008, -0/+6It's also part of the normal human gut flora - it helps us digest certain carbohydrates.
- inactive, on 01/28/2008, -0/+6E.Coli are people too! :~(
- vibrokatana, on 01/28/2008, -5/+101. Clone animals and reduce their genetic diversity
2. Infect large portions of the population with nasty bug
3. Develop "miracle" cure
4. Profit!! - entrophize, on 01/28/2008, -5/+10Ron Paul would not allow E. Coli to exist.
- devonkeale, on 01/28/2008, -1/+5We wouldn't have this problem if slaughterhouses didn't let ***** get into the meat. But they're in too much of a rush to be concerned with contaminated meat...
Read Fast Food Nation if you're interested in this subject. - pfeester, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4e.coli is a bacteria that is not limited to only meat. It can also be found on vegetables and fruits as well, from unsafe farming practices, etc.
- inactive, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3You probably don't want it eliminated. It is a predominant bacteria in your gut.
- PabloMac, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3Glad you made it!
This story strikes close to home for me, as my mother almost fell to E. Coli a few years ago. She got it from a McDonald's hamburger. - waebi, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3AREN'T WE ALL A BIT E.COLI?
- sodypop77, on 01/28/2008, -0/+3I had an E. Coli infection last year. It sucks: 104 degree fever and the inability to keep anything other than a few sips of water down, lasting 5 days. Unfortunately I'm already quite slender and lost 6 precious pounds.
- Terr01, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2To rephrase something you were touching on:
Human guts are more acidic than a certain other mammals like cows. It's a survival benefit, because any bacteria we get from eating beef find themselves in a weird more-acid-than-they're-used-to environment.
However, the diet that we feed our cows is cheaper than the natural stuff but makes their gut chemistry more acidic. Therefore, we increase the odds than bacteria bred in cows can survive the jump to people.
So it's not just the level of bacteria in the cattle, but encouraging types of bacteria which can jump to us more easily. - thcobbs, on 01/28/2008, -2/+4you just described all of medical research.
- republicker, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2The girls from 2 girls one cups are still alive, I wouldnt worry.
- Blitz_G, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2I have seen this somewhere before......
- Terr01, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2The problem is that the only time people see news about e.coli it's in the context of food poisoning, and very few of the news reports will even note that it's specific *variations* and strains of the bacteria which are a problem.
- sd123, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2You're close. The reason IS because of feeding them grain, but not entirely due to antibiotics (though antibiotics may play some role). Grain-fed cattle have higher acidity in their gastrointestinal system, which enables E. coli 0157:H7 to thrive. Grass-fed cattle have a much lower acid content in their gut, and thus a lower population of this illness-causing strain of E. coli. Even feeding cattle a grass diet for a mere week prior to slaughter has been shown to significantly reduce E. coli population in cattle. I recommend reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan if you are interested in this topic.
P.S. We should all be interested in this topic. - earlycj5, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2Red herring?
FTA - "Smaller studies already suggest a link between distillers grain and high levels of the bacteria. For instance, researchers at Kansas State University said last fall they found that cattle fed distiller's grain are twice as likely to carry E. coli 0157:H7."
Doesn't sound like a red herring to me if there's correlation there, it should be looked into. Especially with the prevalence of distillers mash these days. - smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -0/+2I am interested in this topic. I'll have to keep an eye out for that one.
Hey, I'll take your word on the acidity thing. With the complex digestive system of cattle I believe it. I don't think there's a lack of evidence to support this grain thing, but I would think it would be an exacerbation of the problem rather than the cause of the problem, and the problem is strong bacteria. - nblsavage, on 01/28/2008, -1/+3If you're not getting a rare steak, you might as well skip it.
- FlashBazbo, on 01/28/2008, -1/+3Then Ron Paul would hate your guts.
- waebi, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1MAGGOTS. Rare steak rocks. Btw, do you even know that you *need* E.Coli?
- earlycj5, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Dugg for my former workplace.
- ashnbell, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1I can imagine the scene in the board room already....
"if I've understood you correctly Vibrokatana, you;re proposing that the company come up with a miracle cure four step 3? Rather than spend decades gobbling up taxpayer money in the form of research funding, and eating into the profits of farmers by selling them potions that only partially deal with the problem? Let me see...You're fired!" ;) - jblfireball, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Interesting article but if you really want to get in there: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-695060481 ...
Most epic DNA video recently. (ever?) - inactive, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1What about all of the e. coli infections resulting from eating pre-packaged spinach?
- psychotron, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1I like Salmonella myself. Sounds like a spicy latin dance!
- inactive, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2Ron Paul is an old meme.
- vwvan, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1save the bacteria!
- Corrosionx, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Well he certainly would agree the FDA has been powerless to prevent E. Coli.
- psychotron, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2Wow...can you direct me to the nearest tin-foil hat store? You are probably right though...oh well. Beef is yummy!
- sd123, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Chuck Norris doesn't get sick from E. coli, he makes E. coli sick. Then he sues people.
- smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Well, maybe I didn't quite make sense as I am a child of the blogging revolution with my stream-of-consciousness ***** writing style, but in my mind it inferred something else. I'm not saying these studies are not valid. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's a red herring because it seems as if something with a smaller chance of being valid is promoted over the obvious elephant in the room.
If it were me, the first place I would look is antibiotic use on cattle. If you have lots of bacterial infections you have lots of antibiotics being used. After a while you get a resistance built up. It's not entertained in the article, but distiller's grain is?
It's like troubleshooting your TV. The first question I would ask is "is it on?" I wouldn't break out my tools and take it apart. It's check the power, cables, etc. - COinOR, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_%28New_Yo ...
http://www.amazon.com/Lab-257-Disturbing-Governmen ...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/04/02/lab.25 ... - inactive, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Corporate agriculture and it's minions are now responsible for most cases of food borne illness. To them profit comes before safety and the FDA and USDA are in their back pockets. If you want to alleviate problems with your food, shop with the local farmer at his place, or at the farmers market. Meet who raises your food, and they will try their best to take care of you. Don't rely on some faceless conglomerate for your nourishment.
- ForceMajeure, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Bulk distiller's grain is less expensive than regular feed -- producers will try to lower their cost of production wherever possible. Farmers do not have large profit margins.
Some goat meat producers have experimented with distiller's grain. Some have experienced terrible birth defects, stemming from severe nutritional deficiency. The culprit was the high sulfer content in the BULK grain that was used. Bagged versions are more likely conform to nutritional requirements.
We do not normall feed grain to our animals -- we're far more interested in intensive grazing practices that benefit both animal and land. - xxbonoxx, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1I told you guys invest in Invest in Bioniche Life Sciences (Public, TSE:BNC)...was trading at 0.77 last week...APPROVED this week and now trading at $1.40!!!! ARE YOU ***** KIDDING ME...I DOUBLED ALL OF YOUR MONEY!!!! KISS ME KISS ME!!!! I'm paying for the beers tonight!!!!
- COinOR, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_%28New_Yo ...
http://www.amazon.com/Lab-257-Disturbing-Governmen ... - JITerraza, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1what pfeester said.
also, if you don't want to get it, cook well the meat. it doesn't even have to be burned, it just has to be cooked to the core (the juices need to be brown and not red).
vegetables: you should wash them thoroughly with known safe water, boiled water, or water in which you've added 2 drops of bleach per liter. - leerayIG88, on 01/28/2008, -1/+2You know too much!
Here...have a nice bowl of ice cream filled with needles. - smacksaw, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Geez...that is horrible.
I do like the taste of grain-fed meat, but animals should graze. I would hope there would be some use for this distiller's grain. I had to look it up on Google as I have not lived on a farm in 20 years, but elemental sulfur. You know, like you use for fertilizer? I wonder if this distiller's grain would be useful for that instead? - catalysis, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1Unless you dissect the animal in a sterile environment, you are always going to get some contamination. It can be minimized but not eliminated in any economical way.
- xxTazxx, on 01/28/2008, -1/+1Ecole' Eye.
- VirtualTomDavis, on 01/28/2008, -0/+0"The bacteria was discovered in the late 1970s"
Huh?
From Wikipedia: "E. coli was discovered by German pediatrician and bacteriologist Theodor Escherich in 1885"
Besides confusing the strain with the species, I have a problem with the misrepresentative title for this story. Where does the story discuss the DNA of the bacterium? - JITerraza, on 01/29/2008, -0/+0yeah, they just want to eliminate the 0157:H7 strand because it gives you hemorrhagic diarrhea (poop w/blood) and since (in kids) it also destroys the red blood cells and it saturates the kidneys, its the leading cause of child needing kidney transplants in the world (uremic-hemolytic syndrome)
- coldcarbon, on 01/28/2008, -3/+3why did you copy me word for word,
- MariaEspanol, on 01/28/2008, -0/+0BioDiversity gets a back seat these days.
- Nailrabbit, on 01/28/2008, -1/+1zomg teh rage virus
- inactive, on 01/28/2008, -0/+0The reason I don't wash my hands before preparing food for my three children is because I do am fascinated by E. Coli.
-
Show 51 - 57 of 57 discussions
Check out the new & improved 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is