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- xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"I have faith that when I press the break pedal in my car, that it will stop. I have no way of proving that it will work the next time I need it, I just have faith that it will."
The world is not filled with guarantees, things can break at any time, without warning. However, the fact that your brakes worked the previous 100 times should be enough proof to lead you to believe they will work the next time. One of the benefits of the scientific method is that is is built upon by past proof and experience.
On a lateral, posting a link to your own blog is lame. If everyone were to practice this, digg would be an almost worthless collection of garbage accumulating, post-whoring, links. Of course you think your opinion is valid, but that does not mean others do. This would be something best reserved for posting as a comment in other links instead of thinking it deserves its own. - slothlovechunk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Well, we're just talking from different paradigms, right past each other.
Atheists see Yahweh like you might see Zeus. Yahweh and his son Jesus are extremely important in your life. These people will never see eye to eye.
The problem I have is with this whining I hear from Christians, as if they are being discriminated against. No one is burning Christians at the stake, like Christians would do to heretics 500 years ago. This is a free country. If you think there are too many atheists here, go to some other more christian-centric news site. There are nothing but words, and the battle of ideas here. If your faith can't handle it, quit reading. I assure you, my atheism can withstand whatever words you can throw at it. There are about only 1 of us out of every 20 americans. I assure you we have been discriminated against much more than anything that can happen on digg.
(So stepping on a car brake and expecting the car to stop is just like believing in the divinity of Jesus? Don't you find that this makes the word 'faith' meaningless?) - clearzen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I dugg this because he is right, people on digg love to tear down Christians. It seems that those on digg love to classify those who do not think as they do as dolts, morons, or blind sheep. So it's nice to see someone jump off the bandwagon.
- gumbright, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I don't think I need to defend my position."
Then what is your point? Christian victim mode whining?
You complain about "bashing", I see it as been shouted down. Same as I see when someone posts racists nonsense. People jump on it as it is wrong. Maybe you theists should just take a hint.
"Just because you do not agree with something does not make it false, so quit acting like it does."
No, it shows that there is no rational justification for the belief. If it was you believing in faries and you kept it in your own head...more power too you. But unfortunately that doesn't happen. Religion/theistic belief insists on injecting itself into the lives of others with stupid crap like trying to remove the availibility of contraceptives and allowing the fleecing of the desperate. That is why I speak against it. - gumbright, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@magicjava: "Christianity is built of concepts such as "original sin" and the Trinity which can never be proven or disproved, or even made to seem likely or unlikely, by science."
So if I have a concept that there is an invisible troll living under my deck that will give me a pot of gold someday, then everybody must respect it and not say anything against it? This seems to be the fundamental disconnect for theists. Your invisible god friend is exactly the same thing. - gumbright, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OK, and here is our next exhibit: The victim christian.
See how even though it is in the majority it behaves like it is some sort of beset minority. See it bleat how persecuted it is, while it attempts to inject its childlike fantasy and questionable moral foundation into the lives of others... - magicjava, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, we have wacko atheists just like you have wacko Christians. There's nothing wrong with warning about wackos so long as you don't imply the entire group is wacko because of a few bad apples.
As to the book you recommend, The Case for a Creator, it looks interesting and I'll do my best to fit it in to my reading. However, I doubt that the author is saying that science "proves" Christianity, as you suggest. Perhaps the author felt science lead him to believe in the likelihood of a Creator, but that's not the same thing as Christianity. Christianity is built of concepts such as "original sin" and the Trinity which can never be proven or disproved, or even made to seem likely or unlikely, by science. - magicjava, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Well, I'm happy to see you stick up for Christians, because you're right. There is a lot of Christian bashing that takes place on this site. Unfortunately, there are several public figures for Christianity who are probably not the best representatives of Christians in general.
With the science stuff, I was just pointing out that there's a step between science and belief that science shows there is a Creator, and another step from belief that science shows there's a Creator and the belief that the Creator is the Christian God. - adamriggins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I certainly do not mean to call all Atheists whackos. I guess my main point is that it seems that the whacko Christians who all call George W. Bush God and who do the condemning are the ones that are being seen as "Christians". Personally, I am embarassed by these people. To me, Christianity is about a relationship with Jesus, not using their belief as a way to promote an agenda. I just want everytone to see that there in fact is more to Christianity than these horrible examples.
We have whackos, you have whackos. I just wish our whackos were not the stereotype.
As far as the book goes, the author says that Science can prove the existance of God. I agree, the trinity is somehting that cannot be proven, but then it goes back to living by faith. For me, I can see where Science has proven God, and by believing that, I can take the next logical step and believe in Jesus. - adamriggins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2My point was not to compare Jesus to brakes. I even said that it is a bad example. The point is, there are things that I have faith in that I simply cannot prove. I cannot give you evidence right now that Jesus rose from the dead 2000 years ago, but I believe it.
Please know that I am not belittling you for your beliefs. Yes, we disagree on that, and yes, that is a very big thing to disagree on, but I know that I cannot type anything that will change your thoughts, and vice versa. My faith can and will withstand any words you, or anyone else, will throw at it. I just wanted someone to speak from what seems to be a minority here on Digg. - jakebouma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Adam... although it might look like shameless self-promotion, you might find this interesting: http://www.digg.com/general_sciences/Richard_Dawkins_Atheism_and_Christianity
- adamriggins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1dugg.. nice post.
- MacBigot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Thanks for the post. As anti-Christian as Digg tends to be, it's bound to get buried, but I appreciate you standing up and telling it like it is on Digg.
MacBigot 9:58 - FoxFire upgrades will make the podcast and Linux stories will find fans, but stories about the Son of Man will never make the homepage on Digg. - adamriggins, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2gumbright-
I don't think I need to defend my position. I am not trying to win an argument, and I certainly do not expect to change any minds. Can you prove that God doesn't exist? I can only prove that He does exist based on what I know to be true in my life.
I do not want this to become an "evidence vs. evidence" post, because that is not the intention. I have just as much physical evidence that He does exist as you do that he doesn't exist. Just because you do not agree with something does not make it false, so quit acting like it does. You disagree, fine by me. I disagree with Islam, but I don't make it a goal to belittle everyone who believes it to be true. Doing that, you become the very thing you are so upset at. - gumbright, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4You calling it "bashing", I say its "calling crap what it is".
If you can defend your position, please do so. Religion and believers have had a hell of a lot of time to come up with just one piece of compelling evidence for the existence of ANY form of diety. And the result? Zilch, nada, nothing...just more "you just have to have faith", "its beyond our understanding", etc.
So for some of us, we have had enough and will speak up. You don't people who believe in unicorns seriously do you? Well your (theist's) god(s) have just as much evidence.
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