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- hnazareth16, on 12/11/2008, -7/+60That's going to be a very tough battleground to win in.
- cabdirazzaq, on 12/12/2008, -5/+53You know the interesting thing is, it was the muslims who started almost every big branch of science (during the Islamic Golden Age). They were the ones who initiated the scientific method, which by definition makes them the first scientists! And contrary to Christendoms Europe, the scientists were actually the religious ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science - jun2san, on 12/12/2008, -15/+57"If evolution were true, our lips would be longer."
-Toki from Dethklok on men trying to suck their own *****. - MikeFromAmerica, on 12/12/2008, -6/+46Man, what happened to the Muslims? They used to be the most enlightened people on the planet. A lot changes in 1000 years I guess.
- grow, on 12/12/2008, -10/+43It's a fight we'll never win, faith needs no logic.
- Sakumi, on 12/12/2008, -2/+35Actually, we have tons of transitional fossils; please educate yourself as ignorance is not an excuse.
- carbonetc, on 12/12/2008, -1/+29After being shown about a gazillion transitional fossils (and having it explained to you repeatedly that ALL species are transitional), you guys don't get to make that argument anymore. Just stop. Move on to the next gap.
- wrobson, on 12/12/2008, -8/+36If the United States was judged solely on its central states then it would look pretty backwards as well.
- Watch Guns Germs and Steel and you will understand why we think we are superior to the rest of the world...the truth is we just got a head start because of our ability to farm large lands with the help of tamable animals to till our fields...not having to allocate a large amount of our populations to farming gave us more time to do other things such as develop steel. Currently 1% of our GDP is food...that means 99% is working on other things including scientific research.
So the only thing that is embarrassing is how ignorant some people can be in an "educated" society. - effer, on 12/12/2008, -6/+34Crazy humans and their myths...
- FreakyT, on 12/12/2008, -5/+30Iran represents what the Christian right would just love to turn the US into -- an iron-fisted theocracy.
- sidewinderaim9x, on 12/12/2008, -7/+31No this just means we have to fight on two fronts.
- BossKey, on 12/12/2008, -2/+24Ironically (really), anti-evolutionary suicide bombers will prove that Darwin is correct...
...eventually. - hydroplane, on 12/12/2008, -1/+21Only the Sith deal in absolutes!
- mwalker05, on 12/12/2008, -1/+20probably in a history class. a place it seems you have never been.
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -1/+19But pintomp3, ron paul's anti-science beliefs are irrelevant, as he would never try and force them on--
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"I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception. And someone says, 'oh why are you saying that?' and I say, 'well, that's not a political statement -- that's a scientific statement that I'm making!""
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Abortion. ...
But... uh... he's a va-jay-jay doctor and he's delivered like 400000000 babiez!!! - cmotdibbler, on 12/12/2008, -2/+20I agree that Christianity (Judaism 2.0) and Islam (Judaism 3.0) obviously share a common roots creation story. More importantly, the key word is "story".
- carbonetc, on 12/12/2008, -1/+18They aren't winning. They're just loud.
- OliveStreet, on 12/12/2008, -4/+21FTA: "A Harris poll conducted in November found 47 percent of Americans accept Darwin’s theory of evolution while 40 percent believe instead in creationism."
4O PERCENT!? ....
For the rest of you in this world, that's how retards like george bush get elected into office.
This country is sooooo *****! - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -2/+19"creationism theories"
Please don't use that word. A theory implies you have some kind of proposed scientific explanation instead of, well, nothing. - FredFredrickson, on 12/12/2008, -0/+17Why is that a problem? Any tangible evidence we've found on the subject lands on the side of evolution, so I fail to see why they should be open-minded about it.
- yacinebouatrous, on 12/12/2008, -0/+16yeah it's sad, our ancestors used to be super smart, but with time some idiots became very influent and convinced a lot of people to get back to the stone age
- oldhick, on 12/12/2008, -5/+21You know what's embarrassing? How little you know about religious faiths that millions of people ascribe to.
Abrahamic faiths all share the same creation story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions - Sakumi, on 12/12/2008, -0/+15No, creationism lacks evidence in any sense. The argument for creationism is that 'life is too complex to have evolved by itself' in essence.. there is zero evidence to support any creationist claims.
- Beautyon, on 12/12/2008, -9/+24Buried for using science as a tool in ideological warfare.
- Sloi, on 12/12/2008, -7/+22Well, those should prove to be pretty "explosive" debates!
www.instantrimshot.com - nickallen74, on 12/12/2008, -5/+20I'm not so pessimistic. With better education people become less religious and more critical of what they are told. In some European countries atheism is now around 80% and in many it is over 50%. It was not like this 50 years ago. If it can change for Europe, then I am optimistic the same will be true for the US and Islamic countries in the not too distant future.
- pintomp3, on 12/12/2008, -6/+21how about we try winning it on the home front first? we've still got people voting in fundamentalist evolution deniers like sarah palin, ron paul, rick santorum, and mike huckabee.
- EarlOfLade, on 12/12/2008, -5/+20Win?
Evidence baby, do they have any?
Nope..
Is evolution supported by credible evidence? yes, millions of pieces of hard evidence, all supporting evolution, none supports creation or any other religious fantasy.
Evolution is a scientific theory and is not open to beliefs. Just like there is no discussion about theories about gravity. If you don't believe in gravity, walk off a roof and see what happens.
Evolution is a scientific theory and is open for revision based upon the evidence. If you want to replace evolution with something else, that "something else" has to provide a falsifiable explanation for the evidence we already have.
Rather than bother with evolution, you should be bothered by your religious fantasy which has no connection with reality. It is not evolution which has a problem, it's your religion! - JimSartor, on 12/12/2008, -1/+15This article is pretty ethnocentric. The "creationist" argument has never belonged strictly to Christians. To claim it has "moved" is just a ignorant. Just because the west is just now becoming aware of it, doesn't mean it just popped into existence or that Muslims are borrowing the idea from Christians.
- carbonetc, on 12/12/2008, -0/+14Yes. Scientists are biased against arguments with no rigor, substance, or evidence. I wish everyone was so "closed minded".
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -0/+14Well, if that's Checkmate, then you've also disproven your God.
After all, something can't 'come from' nothing or 'always have existed', right?
And what again does this have to do with evolution? - JohnFlux, on 12/12/2008, -0/+13Or you could just feed the pigs so that they aren't hungry.
- grow, on 12/12/2008, -1/+14I hope you're right.
- seattlerock, on 12/11/2008, -4/+17That's going to be a mess
- Croaton, on 12/12/2008, -1/+13Every time I have seen someone tries to bring the it's "only" a theory argument it has been debunked and corrected.
It amazes me that people still try and use it... as if they really think that such a shallow and mindless argument would have any foundation to stand on at all...
Simply amazing... - carbonetc, on 12/12/2008, -2/+13"But it's totally different! One religion is right and the other is wrong!"
- writerwriter, on 12/12/2008, -2/+13Just a note: the article makes a statement about humans evolving from primates. Humans did NOT evolve from primates. Humans are a species of primate and evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR - the one we share with other modern primates. The ubiquitous graphic of "man" at the right hand of a line of "evolving" primates is a complete misrepresentation.
Religious groups have much more to worry about (gaping holes in their 'arguments'; utter lack of hard evidence for any part of their philosophies; the reality of religion being the impetus for all wars and all dissent between humans; the fact that humans are innately moral without religion but eschew morality for religion) than any arguments about a proveable, traceable theory. - whatthefu, on 12/12/2008, -1/+12A lot of scientific discoveries were the direct result of religious culture, which seems weird today. The Islamic world has a great history.
- FredFredrickson, on 12/12/2008, -1/+12The *next* battle? Does that mean the creationists finally lost the current battle?
- ashgtx, on 12/12/2008, -5/+16I still don't understand how someone can believe that everything was created by a sole power 6000 years ago when there is so much evidence supporting the theory of evolution. Why can't people just use their brains for a second and think? I know i am going to be buried but someone had to say this. I did not mean to offend anyone. If i did, then i'm sorry, my bad...
- LJU1492, on 12/12/2008, -6/+16Prove it
- banderwocky, on 12/12/2008, -11/+21No, you just socially and politically persecute and discriminate them. I'm sure the Christian based 'Center Right' media doesn't help either.
- executorzz, on 12/12/2008, -0/+10Yes, they have the chance but do they want to?
UN report recently stated the average arab person in the middle east reads 4 pages per year. Compared to like 8/9 book averagae in europe and US. - carbonetc, on 12/12/2008, -1/+10@CrazedLeper
Seriously? Every transitional fossil (I agree, they don't exist, but only because they're ALL transitional) you've ever been shown just happens to look like another unrelated animal by coincidence? A species dated back to 44 mya in one region of the world just happens to look exactly like a species dated back to 45 mya in the same region except for a few little alterations. And another species in the region dated back to 43 mya just happens to look exactly like the one from 44 mya except for a few more alterations. And so on, 20 million years down the line. These are all coincidences? Along with the countless other lineages that have been mapped out both in morphology and in time? Coincidences?
Wow, it is a miraculous world you guys live in. The odds of all of these fossils just coincidentally appearing to indicate a process of evolution are far greater than the odds you guys say are against life arising without a designer. I don't think you really have any idea what the fossil record looks like beyond what the Discovery Institute says it looks like. Open an actual science book sometime.
Even if we never discovered how life originated, even if it was a question humanity could never answer, that doesn't count against evolution. Once life showed up, however it showed up, evolution happened. That's why the science of abiogenesis isn't necessarily lumped together with the science of evolution.
The beginnings of the universe have nothing to do with evolution. It isn't a failing of evolution that it doesn't explain something you arbitrarily demand it to. Conflating evolution with the big bang theory just makes you look more ignorant about the subject.
Science doesn't say anything definitively. All ideas are open to revision. It's a process, not a dogma (despite the idiots who make it look like dogma). But when you have mountains of evidence supporting one idea, and no evidence support any other idea, do we really need to pussyfoot around and say "this is most likely true but we'll never really REALLY know"? You have no reason to reject the other things that have mountains of evidence supporting them (a round earth, gravity, etc) because they don't conflict with your ideology. But when you get confronted with something that shows you a universe you'd prefer not to live in, the rules change. - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -2/+11I don't see the relevance of that. That's kind of what I was getting at. I'm just utterly appalled that here, in the US, a good percentage of the population still believes those stories.
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -0/+9Well, I am utterly unable to comprehend faith, but that's a story for another day (I've never had it, so trying to describe it to me is like trying to explain "blue" to a blind person). But I look at it like this - I guess I can see that people find faith or whatever important. But I don't see what the Creation story has to do with it. Jesus's message, for example, doesn't hinge on how the world was formed. So why do people feel the need to reject reality like that, as if evolution is some sort of threat to that message?
- aksn1p3r, on 12/11/2008, -7/+16it's only human to learn and now that 3rd world countries have the chance, it should get interesting! (Aside from evolution and religion)
- Sakumi, on 12/12/2008, -3/+12They are far from winning... just look at the number of Christians in the US.. it's declining rapidly, and the trend suggests it will continue to do so.
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -3/+11Instead of lawsuits and protests, evolutionists can expect bombs and bullets with Muslims.
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