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- thecolor11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Good going, now all the sharks know exactly where they are.
- motorbikematt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jun2000/961809790.Eg.r.html
http://www-dsg.stanford.edu/holbrook/CableCosts.html
http://www.atlantic-cable.com/Article/Easton/ - modian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7larger maps:
http://www.cybergeography.org/atlas/teleglobe_large.gif
http://www.cybergeography.org/atlas/alcatel_large.gif - modian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6That's ridiculous, sharks don't use the inter +++ATH0
CARRIER LOST - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Poor Africa. Nobody cares about your Internet.
- Zukunft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Atlantic Ocean's got it going on.
- teh_techie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Try out http://telegeography.com/maps
- Thud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder how much slack is in those cables to allow for sea floor expansion?
- tempest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Now which one runs to the island in "Lost" tv show?
- Linuxrocks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Good going, now all the sharks know exactly where they are.
LOL - tburke261, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just out of curiosity, how much badnwith does each cable have on average? Gigabit? Multi-Gigabit?
Does anyone know? - whateverdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Reminds me of Cryptonomicon...
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1tburke261: There's a bandwidth scale based on linewidth in TFA. Nothing appears to be rated under 10Gbps though...
- JackSeoul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well that explains Australia's extremely expensive bandwidth bandwidth pricing. Glad I'm in South Korea, look at all the cables driving my 100Mbps FTTH internet connection :-)
- reisyboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nope some of it is sats to get to more remote places but still sea cables. They still maintain some of the original copper telephone cables used as backups so kind of cool, but kinda ***** but if they all broke its still there as a mild fix. Anyway i want to know how they cross the mid-Atlantic ridge without melting an all those cracks i mean they cant stick it to the floor, so what they suspend it? I mean come on how much buffeting must that have to take? what if a ship sank on it... meh anyway doesn't really matter, worse comes to worse they can use satellites to replace all these cables untill fixes are made if it was necessary.
- PSUstoekl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow, that's just crazy. I had absolutely no idea. I mean, between the US and australia, that's close to 10,000 miles of underwater cable! crazy!
- gofargogo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html
Neal Stephenson's Wired article from several years ago on just this thing. It's a good read for the where, why and how of cables, and why no one will bomb them. - Xtra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1posted by midorigin "Think about it, how many African websites have you ever seen?"
I have seen a bunch of them. I just sent money to another prince in Africa who is hiding from his government so he can get his family's multi-million dollar savings freed up and he is going to
give me a large portion of it in return. Gotta love those generous exiled princes, what suckers they are huh? - Carbito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Australia needs a lot more international bandwidth capacity. That probably explains why bandwidth is so expensive down here.
- killuminati96, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"am i the only one that thinks maybe terrorists could look at the map and make a loose assumption where the cables actually are ? maybe bomb it ?"
it would probably easier just to bomb all the communications satellites
moron... - bchang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Austrailia must have serious bandwidth problems, but im in canada so im good.
- mrinternet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0WELL DONE @TEH TECHIE
http://www.telegeography.
notice the difference between those maps on the url and this DIGG. - bigpeeler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Which one goes to the Isle Of Porn?
- w1f1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0crappy lo-res diagram
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.iscpc.org/images/ships/glbsnt.jpg
- pozezanc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Check out the line to Fiji...Coming up on the next "LOST"...Charlie discovers a fiber-optic line to the "others" internet cafe.
- pad22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+02GMario: That's one of the dumbest things I've heard today. If a terrorist could actually use those maps to bomb the trunk lines, then I think we have more to worry about than just communications going down. The lines aren't even near the engineered position, nor are there any positional information in the map. You would need an extremely detailed sea chart, diagrams from AT&T (etc) and some scanning equipment with a submarine ship to be able to find those cables. There are many other ways that terrorists could sabotage communications if they wanted to. It would be a complete waste of their time. These days its the local telcos, gas and electric companies that are worrying about freedom of information and security. Not undersea fiber optic cables. Think what would happen if someone targeted a major electric transformer station?
- psients, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We have to catch UP to Africa.
They're all wireless. Didn't you ever see that picture of those half-naked really black guys with body paint sitting in the grass with laptops looking at a page of Yahoo!? - sgtpinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol, are you 'terrorists could take out the internet' guys for real?
Yeah, I am an aussie. I have a ping of like 400 to Europe, which sux because I want to play games with my german mates. Would be nice to get a bit more pace down here. It's a hell of a long way away though, Australia. - buckdog05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Terrorists could use this?! They would have to bomb a portion of the Atlantic close to the size of Mainland US.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wonder if the earthquake/tsunami from last year damaged one of the cables over there.
- greygoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0www.telegeography.com is aweseome. Too bad there aren't more desktop wallpaper size images :(
- midorigin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Poor Africa. Nobody cares about your Internet.
I spent two months working with computers in Africa and can verify that their connection to the internet is indeed as sucky as it looks. I've seen whole internet cafes run off of a single 56k line.
I while back I had the sudden sickening realization of the serious lack of any substantial African presence on the internet. Think about it, how many African websites have you ever seen? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn, that Atlantic has some phat pipes. That is so cool that there is that much bandwidth down there.
- mfield, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is not a map it's a schematic
- PacoBell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@neotechni: "According to the book "Sphere", they can tell where breaks occur."
It's called an optical time-domain reflectometer, FYI :) - michaeljh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A: "Yes, I'd like to buy and lay 800+ miles of internet lines"
B: "Would that be cash or credit" - willlangford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0cool, interesting. not much detail..
- Chasin_Fat_Kids, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ummm dude what about russa?
- Jetfire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I work with a guy who helped lay some of the cables to Japan. They have crews always working on the cable system form checking it out, doing repairs and/or laying new cable. There are boasted boxxes to every so many miles or hundreds of feet I forget the distance). He didn't what fiber took since that was after his time. He showed me a piece of the cable. I looked like a big piece of Coax with the core being like 1" dia.
"cables are soooooo 20th century."
Cables a better than satillites because the signal has less distance to travel. This means less delay and also less likely to be interferred with by weather(earth or space) Just because it's newer tech don't make it better. - commongiga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0poor greenland and madasgar...
- kb9vgr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0um that map sux0rz hehe it uses a thickness chart to show BANDWIDTH accross those sections probably most of those LINES are nowhere near the actual CABLE
- peanutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The image itself is not that good, but dugg - the links that follow and some comments are really interesting.
btw for the guy who thought that satellites were used for Internet communication. Well about 4-5 years ago I read that in theory a single fibre optic cable carries the bandwidth of all the satellites in the world combined. Over the years the ability to send data over fibre optics has improved much more. With improved wave division multiplexing they can send more data without changing the carrying line. Satellite communication is slow too. Fibre is much much faster. Satellite is best suited for broadcasting or for linking remote areas. - cgruber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When you are laying fiber in a project like this you lay like 50x the pairs you anticipate to use.
That way when you need to use it you can with out the cost of re-laying it. Now I don't know how much extra a ship can carry on a project like this but that's the general way fiber is put in the ground. - flowaus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, there is only 20M people in Australia remember. And just because you've got honkin great bandwidth between A & B it doesn't necessarily mean that getting to your target, C, is going to be any faster if the B-C link is crap.
- JJP0223, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Look at al those red lines going into New York.
WAIT
I still have this crappy cable in Jersey. COME ON FIOS -
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