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- SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6One scientist speaks out and NYTimes takes note. Oh wait ...he spoke out against the Bush adminstration ...lets run with it!
Well they did a pretty bad of silencing him IF that was their intention.
As to CO2 causing global warming ...we don't know if this is the case. From 1940 to 1970, the global temperature actually decreased yet CO2 emission increased. Not the directly porportional relation the environmentalists seek in regards to global warming.
http://www.globalclimate.org/opinion/00-0001-Baliunas.htm - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I believe that global warming does exist, but I feel that its extremely exaggerated. Now, many of you die-hard "liberals" per se will probably hear that as "You don't believe Global Warming Exists?!?!" but that is not what I ever said.
I am just saying that, people think just because its warm out, Global Warming must be happening. Or they think that thunderstorms during winter are the result of Global Warming. No No No people. First of all Global Warming doesn't cause "sudden unexpected" things to happen. What really pisses me off is that people see the changing landscapes, and think its Global Warming...*****...its called weathering! This isn't the ***** Moon where everything just stays the same!!!
South Park put it perfectly the hysteria surrounding Global Warming.
Another people don't bother to look back on is that fact that there have been cold snaps and warm snaps in the past. But oh no! The temperautre in the past 50 years has risen 0.7 degreeeesss!~ OH NOES!!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3BOVINE FLATULANCE
that's all I have to say about it................ - Gilmoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't really believe in this global warming THEORY. While it may be true that the empirical evidence proves that the average temperature has been increasing, climate data has only been collected for about the past 150 years. Who knows what it was like thousands of years ago. I also agree with some people that this warming/cooling is a cyclic trend and not a product of our "massive pollution." Some may talk about the hole in the ozone layer, well as we are just learning this may have more to do with the shifting magnetic field, which would have nothing to do with pollution. And the shifting magnetic field is something we still know very little about until recently.
My point is that science, and those that ascribe to that narrative, are always overly quick to jump to conclusions because they have scientific evidence and "facts." No. What you have more often than not is data that can be interpreted in many different ways but these "scientists" use this information to serve their agenda, whatever it may be. After all, these are the people that told us that everything would break on the eve of Y2K and that eggs are bad for you - no they're good for you - oh, just the white part is good - oh wait, no, they're bad. It's all just a bunch of half-baked theories. Don't believe everything you read. - xeeton, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5My dreamworld is called "a free trade society." The market that discovered and engineered oil to make it a viable energy source for decades is the same market that going to discover and engineer a new source of energy. If the government types would stop impeding on these dynamics, solutions to problems like these are a function of capitalism. It's automatic.
- BritOverseas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It just goes to show, that most people who are jumping in on this discussion get their Science news and facts from the National enquirer or something.
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Somebody IS doing something about this. In several countries in Europe you will find it much harder to to find a petrol car than a diesel nowadays. The governments give tax breaks on diesel not makes it MORE expensive like in the States. There are now modern diesels that run and sound like petrol cars and indeed have much the same power. I recently worked in Spain and had a SAAB 9/3 1.8T for most of the time there. It was powerful, quick, fun to drive and did nearly 45mpg.
Also, in Spain (the world leader at the moment) they now produce up to 15% of their energy from wind, with plans to increase that to 50% at peak power, more countries should do this, it is not hard, it just takes investment. The U.K is putting a lot of money and time into wave power (and we are self sufficient in oil, actually export some), all of these things are highly possible in the States, you have places that are in the middle of nowhere for wind farms, so as not to offend peoples eyes like I have heard(more like property values), and plenty of NON shipping channels where you could have wave powered machines, just nobody does them, not enough profit. - SoreWinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The most important paragraph of the article was buried toward the end...
"The fight between Dr. Hansen and administration officials echoes other recent disputes. At climate laboratories of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, for example, many scientists who routinely took calls from reporters five years ago can now do so only if the interview is approved by administration officials in Washington, and then only if a public affairs officer is present or on the phone."
Why would a GOVERNMENTAL administration, regardless of political leaning, want to restrict a scientific finding? - rokaholic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If people only realized the nuclear energy is actually _cleaner_, _safer_, and more efficient than most other forms of energy we'd already be using it. However, for some reason the entire public has this idea that nuclear energy is the devil. Nuclear energy when produced and managed properly is actually very clean and safe. It is in fact less harmful to the environment than coal or oil.
- PoorYorick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This is a really important story that I hope others will digg onto the main page. Carbon emissions seems to be the biggest threat to current and future generations, and yet we all--not just the Bush administration--want to ignore it.
The world is addicted to oil. We are using more and more of it every day. This country needs to create a serious commitment to developing new, sustainable energy technologies that will get this oil monkey off our back. The brewing fight for less and less oil will be bloody and ecologically and economically devastating unless we find an alternative FAST. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1CO2 WILL KILL US ALL! NO ONE EXHALE!
- ReinMasamuri, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Hole in the ozone layer? The magnetic field is shifting, there's obviously going to be holes in the ozone.
First of all let me say this: nobody knows what emissions are natural and what are man-made. It's not like man-made Co2 is a different color or something.
And one more thing. Have these "environmentalists" forgotten that we were in an ice age a relative blink of an eye ago in earth standards? It's obviously going to get warmer. - SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Weiran ...are you saying C02 emission wasn't a problem before 1940? You got to be kidding. Your post makes sense if that was the case but its not. CO2 emission has been increasing since the industrial age is my guess.
- ahura7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A good solution would be to use more biodiesel, which is made from animal fats and corn and produces significantly less emissions than petro-diesel. If oil companies would refine it and car companies would produce more diesel cars, we could become a cleaner and more prosperous country. We could bolster the farming economy, vastly reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and produce less emissions. Great, huh? Why isn't anyone doing anything about it?
- Fresno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this all comes down to one thing "$" some have it, some dont. And a few want it all as soon as it can be accumulated . The lower the cost is the best way to do it.
- GhostFreeman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A good solution would be a better president!
- tonage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can you say "disgruntled employee"?
- AnthonyNYC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"He's not trying to create a war over this," said Larry D. Travis, an astronomer who is Dr. Hansen's deputy at Goddard, "but really feels very strongly that this is an obligation we have as federal scientists, to inform the public."
It is EVERY scientist's duty to let people know about things that will eventually kill them or their future generations. Currently, the majority of people in our surviving generations are living in a deep trance. Most only care about themselves and what they can "get" to make them more comfortable while they are here. They have no care for the earth, or true care for future generations. They think only of today, and maybe tomorrow. Everything cannot, and will not last as it is. We are subject to certain laws that are out of our control and have lost touch with true balance and what we are here for. Eventually, no amount of government supression will be able to hide the true nature of our situation, and by then, it will probably be too late to undo what we have done. - Lucky14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just throwing this out here. If instead of spending $250 Billion on the war in Iraq, we could have spent $250 Billion in Wind Projects. This would have resulted in approximately
+ 250 Gigawatts of Installed Capacity
+ 550 Billion KWH of annual output
+ 13% of US Electrical Demand Met with Wind
+ 2.7 Billion Tons of CO2 saved a year
+ 1.5 Million Jobs Created
Even if you don't believe in global warming, the above scenario would lower pollution, create jobs, and wean us off our addiction of middle east oil. Unfortunately, we have an oil man as president... - DiggerT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0which makes that theres a 19 out of 20 chance that your one of them :)
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0riskable:
Wrong about the temps dating back 200 years and wrong about the warming in most recent history in that for the last 7 years NASA has found that their is overall cooling going on now. The hole has also been measured as having gotten smaller as well.
We need a climatologist in here, stat! - PorkCharSui, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Forget about greenhouse gas emissions when we have peak oil to deal with.
Recommend to get off netflix or your local vid store:
The End of Suburbia: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of the American Dream
http://imdb.com/title/tt0446320/ - Smoov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You left out the Medieval Warm Period (substantially warmer than today). You also left out icecap melting on Mars (obviously implicates fluctuating solar output in climate change). You didn't mention that by far the most significant greenhouse gas is water vapor, which is not produced by humans. Also you left out that forests generate massive amounts of methane, a ghg which is 10 times as potent as CO2.
The fact is that your view is extremely one-sided and NOT scientifically neutral. You are an apologist for one school of thought, and therefore useless to those who seek the truth. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Were all gonna die!
Get your sunscreen folks! - rnokkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It wasn't NASA, it was just me and a roll of duct tape...
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"...Even if you don't believe in global warming, the above scenario would lower pollution, create jobs, and wean us off our addiction of middle east oil. Unfortunately, we have an oil man as president......"
We only use 8% of our oil from the Middle East.
64% is from Venezuela. - AaronS2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I also think that global warming is somewhat of a myth, and the earth goes through cycles of hot/cold stages. But what I don't agree with is the silencing of federal employees by an administration, from any political party. I am mostly a moderate in politics, but I hope things change for the better in 11-2006.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I love how idiots tie together the hole in the ozone layer, global warming and things like the tusnami.
- xeeton, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6We use oil because it's the best form of energy right now. When it's gone things will automatically change (to other sources of energy); no need for the government to step in and tell us what's best for us.
Why doesn't anyone understand this? - Chasin_Fat_Kids, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is interesting
- RetroActive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0al gores money comes from oil.
- oyourmom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+00.7 degrees is alot... like 5 degrees difference can destory the whole planet.
- Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Carbon emissions are not the cause of global warming. In fact the most greenhouse-effect gas is water vapor, so what, are we to stop boiling water too?
Increased solar activies can answer for all the earth changes right now, not the human's faults, so doing laws can't change anything.
You gotta be pretty f*cking stupid to think that Bush not writing words on paper is what's destroying the earth. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Censoring most information is just bad news. But, as far as my opinion on global warming. http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/IceAgeBook/history_of_climate.html
- ChewyBass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I believe in Global warming, but I don't think we have anything to do with it nor can we control it. Explain why Mars is warming up. Could it be because of the SUV Rovers we have over there. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html
- tonage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We are controlled by a small group of dominate men. The worst ruled and most completely controlled government in the civilized world.
Digg is becoming a haven for America haters. That is sad too. The founders seem to be pretty good people. Too bad there are so many bad people out there posting comments. - EdwinBubble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Seriously, though. I think, if true, this is poetic justice...since the "scientific" community blacklists, derides and does their best to discredit any scientist that goes against their pet theories."
That's so fundamentally ridiculous that I hardly know where to begin.
You're taking the vicitmization role to stupid extremes. I'm reminded of Carl Sagan's line "They laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown"
The scientific community blacklists nobody who can plausibly defend their ideas. The few atmospheric scientists who take a contrarian stance on climate change are out of the mainstream because they are lacking in evidence supporttin their positions.
You clearly don't have any experience with the way science is actually done - there's no karma involved here, just spin from an ideological machine that's fast turning itself into a parody. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seriously, though. I think, if true, this is poetic justice...since the "scientific" community blacklists, derides and does their best to discredit any scientist that goes against their pet theories. Climatologists that speak out against the severity of the "sky is falling" global warming theories are regularly blackballed.
Karma's a bitch, ain't it? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Typical New York Times article, No left spin here, Oh No way. Yall just keep on worrying yourselves to death about it, then when your all dead, I wont have to wade through all the "the sky is falling" BS
Stupid Libs, and if you believe that BS your Stupid too!! - bossm4n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Most of you only care about taking more jabs at our president. Your political one-sidedness is so obvious. Wouldn't it be nice if our president could focus on doing his job instead of constantly defending himself against the onslaught of attacks, this includes his predecessor. How many of you wouldn't have even clicked on this story if the description said something like, "...and the Department of Energy silenced him"? Stop being so sensationalist and try being more objective. You might actually discover some truth once in a while.
And yes I support anything we can do as a country to get away from being dependent on fossil fuels, for both environmental and political reasons. All of our politicians are accountable and we should make sure they ALL answer for their actions. Lobbyists are destroying this country. Our laws and policies should not be for sale to the highest bidder. Both parties are to blame. Wake up already people. - Genghis1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Are there any professional climate scientist making comments here. The rest of you are full of *****.
- ReinMasamuri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Lucky14
Sure, wind power. The power production method suggested by enviromentalists... until enviromentalists started yelling that it kills birds, and destroying the landscape
Why bring the Iraq war into this? The war happened and is happening, get over your falsely-altruistic selves. - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If this story fits into your paradigm, you'll get an endorphin shot. Good for you.
- lamprey187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0All Republicans voted an oil monger into office. This is bad for global warming among other things. +digg
- stuman321, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OBKenobi --- Do you think all oil mongers are Republicans? For that metter, do you think all Republicans are oil mongers? I think you need to get away from your black and white perspective of politics.
- dpk87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"0.7 degrees is alot... like 5 degrees difference can destory the whole planet." - oyourmom
The planet's not going anywhere, and neither are those damn cockroaches... but maybe us weak humans... - RaisedFist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It seems to me you americans have nothing to do but flaming other people in discussions. You're the only nation in this world so ignorant and so stupid that sees only your benefit. Your leaders say they "fight" terrorism, but in fact they are helping it grow... you should see what's good for the planet, not what's good for you.... BASTARDS.
- BigBill62629, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The article and the NYT are CRAP!
- ArrowApollo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The title of the articles is misleading. Even in the description you say the guy worked for NASA and the Bush admin tried to silence him. The title makes it sound like NASA is tryin to silence him.
"NASA Climate Expert Says Bush Administration Tried to Silence Him" - ahura7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0A good solution would be
- drewjoh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Remeber when they said we were gonna run out of oil so so many years ago?
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