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- Kidtuf, on 09/04/2008, -3/+108My daughter was born last year via C-section because she was in breech position. I learned during those final weeks that natural birth is highly discouraged for babies in breech as the cons outweigh the pros in regards to the health of the mother and the child. It seems that publishing a study with only 12 women and differences described as 'not "whopping"' is a bit alarmist and could potentially drive some women to demand natural birth when it may be an unsafe option.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -3/+94My son was born via C-section and everything was just fine. A study of 12 women is rather small.
- jontalisman, on 09/04/2008, -1/+88Sorry, I can't take this seriously if only 12 people were studied.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -0/+58That explains the rift between my mom and I, then again I did break through Alien style.
- Thepirateking, on 09/04/2008, -2/+4112 samples does not a valid study make.
- thefandango, on 09/05/2008, -0/+37i was born by C-section and now everytime i leave my house i go out through my window.
- Synova, on 09/05/2008, -0/+25What's that smell? Oh, it's their ***** study.
- dsoleil, on 09/04/2008, -0/+21Studies should never replace decisions between a doctor and a patient. The world of research and the world of practice inform each other but are two separate fields. Everyone's story is different and each requires a different plan for the best outcome. The moral of the story? If you have questions about your health or your baby's health, try not to ask a magazine.
- BXRWXR, on 09/04/2008, -3/+22What about abortions?
How does that effect the bonding? - BJF9999, on 09/05/2008, -2/+21Who would publish a study done only on 12 women?
That's sixth grade science fair work right there - dnewstep, on 09/04/2008, -3/+19Mothers who undergo Caesarean sections may bond less well with their babies immediately after birth, concludes a study of 12 women published this week.. good one..
- slowmo, on 09/05/2008, -1/+15I was born by C-section and every time I leave my house I yell "Hey Kool-Aid!" and bust through the wall.
- russdthree, on 09/05/2008, -0/+13As someone who studies oxytocin, I can say that the effect of C-sections on maternal behavior could at best only account for a trivial percent of the variance. Our lab has not seen any significant effects of C-sections in comparison to vaginal delivery on levels of plasma, salivary or urinary oxytocin at 4-16 weeks postpartum in either mothers or their children.
Yes, there are many things than can antagonize oxytocin's effects and potentially lead to impaired maternal behavior, such as gestational cocaine use or an individual's genes, but C-sections should not be any cause for alarm.
The popular press loves to pick up stories on oxytocin nowadays, particularly around Valentine's Day, and they're eager to draw hasty conclusions. The story of oxytocin and pair bonding is surely unfolding, but maintain a healthy skepticism for the time being. There are some things we know more certainly than others concerning oxytocin. - Kidtuf, on 09/04/2008, -1/+12I definitely agree, but I do think that there is a large segment of the population that buys into negative hype regardless of evidence to the contrary.
An example of this was the knee-jerk reaction due to claims that certain measles vaccinations caused autism. Thousands eschewed important immunizations based on hearsay, and I'm not entirely confident that those types of people will look past the headlines of these kind of studies. - kellfinder, on 09/04/2008, -0/+11My last two babies were born via c-section and I bonded with them before they born. After I held them in my arms for the first time, that bond increased ten fold. Maybe this could affect some people, but my personal experience shows this not to be true. My first baby was not a c-section, and I bonded with all three of them right away regardless of how they entered the world.
- cawpin, on 09/05/2008, -0/+9Did you do a little dance across the counter?
Hello my sunshine! - CosmicJustice, on 09/04/2008, -0/+9Scientific studies don't "feel true". They're either complete and valid studies or they're not. Feelings and personal anecdotes are irrelevant.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -0/+812 is a very small sample.
- ishotthedoor, on 09/05/2008, -1/+9Flushnasty: You are a man. When you grow a uterus you can give birth however you like. Some women like natural births, some women feel safer in a hospital, all women are different. You can make whatever argument you want for or against natural birth, but that will never change the fact that it will never affect your body personally. Are you going to demand your wife give birth naturally even if it risks her and the baby's life?
- bananasluggy, on 09/05/2008, -0/+8My father took my mother to see the Aliens movie while she was pregnant with me. For three months, she had nightmares about me erupting from her abdomen.
Guess how I was born?
I figure I've got two dramatic twists covered: I'm a woman of no woman born. ;) I can slay Nazgul and kick Macbeth's ass too. :D
Need any dragons slain? - championchap, on 09/05/2008, -0/+7Both my brother and I were born via C-Section and thank ***** we were!
For me it was just a case of "your baby's head is too big!!" so they had to do it the other way.
My mum actually requested that my younger brother be born this way.. if she hadn't he'd have been born mentally handicapped as he had managed to tie a knot in his umbilical chord and if he had been born the "natural" way the oxygen to his brain would have been restricted. - Ninh, on 09/04/2008, -4/+11A study of *drumroll* 12 samples. And you people wonder why science is in disrepute?
- ikaumeyer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+6Recent studies show that after you squeeze a squirming larva out of your vagina, you tend to be more attached to it.
- Hetman, on 09/04/2008, -5/+11Yea this is completly stupid. In other news babies, and mothers who die during child birth share no connection to one another. Because one of them has died.
- kyle415, on 09/04/2008, -0/+6I was cut out because I had an abnormally large head. And yes, I'm a mommas boy.
- analogkid01, on 09/05/2008, -1/+7I'm getting a real sarcastic kick out of the responses to this article. They run the gamut from the obvious "I was born via c-section and I love my mom" to the false dichotomy of "either you have a c-section or you and/or the baby dies."
The point of the article underscores the point that midwives have been making for decades now.
1) Most women are able to give birth naturally, with no medical intervention, and
2) This is healthier for both babies and mothers.
3) Doctors should only be used when absolutely necessary (which, contrary to widespread belief, is known way before labor begins).
4) There's no shame in having a c-section, but it's better to do everything in your power to deliver naturally, using c-sections as an absolute last resort.
My 2 cents. - Heem, on 09/05/2008, -0/+6my twins wouldnt even be alive if not for c-section. my boy got his cord wrapped around his neck. I'm sick of the bitching about c-section vs natural.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -0/+6so what does the ice-age got to do with this?
- Kidtuf, on 09/05/2008, -0/+5Check please!
- renegadeafk, on 09/05/2008, -0/+512 people? This study is completely invalid.
- flashback99, on 09/05/2008, -0/+5There's a difference between good science and bad science. This is definitely bad science. Actually, I wouldn't even go as for to call it scientific at all.
- joeym, on 09/05/2008, -0/+5"Oh Yeahhhh!" would have been the proper quote. I'll assume you were going for a more widely recognized image :P
- BrainInAJar, on 09/05/2008, -2/+7buried for RANDOM capitalized WORDS
- nomadxx7, on 09/05/2008, -1/+6@Kidtuf
I think the more likely scenario is that more women were having C-Sections due to them being the "trendy, new thing" and also less stress from pushing a kid out. I do agree that women need to weigh all options when having a child. Is the child healthy enough for natural birth? Is the mother? Natural birth is a better way to give birth but it depends on age of mother, bone structure, etc. My mother said that sometime with small mothers their pelvis area is not large enough for a baby to pass through and also if the child is large compared to the mother it tends to lead to more ripping when giving birth naturally.
I do think that a "study" of 12 women is more likely a farce study since your margin of error probably outweighs most if not all the information gained from the study.
@Flushnasty
I agree that home birthing should be an option but in regards to a hospital setting they have specialized equipment for scenarios which one cannot predict until the child is coming out. You must weigh the options of possible life-threatening scenarios while giving birth naturally at home versus a possibly over-stressed, over-worked nursing/doctor staff at a hospital.
Not trying to say home birthing is barbaric, just think that it isn't a once-size-fits-all thing.
@ The Article
I just don't quite comprehend how you would feel less attached to your child when having a C-section versus natural birth. You've carried a child for 9 months, I think that would outweigh the hours that it takes for labor/C-section - mrgreenjeans, on 09/04/2008, -0/+5"It's like an orange on a toothpick!"
"HEAD! MOVE!" - inactive, on 09/05/2008, -0/+5It's actually not, silly authoritarian. Murder is a legal term and is subject to a specific definition. Abortion is not included in that definition; therefore, abortion is not murder. Please stop lying. I realize that your position is completely indefensible without extensive manipulation and lies, but please, just pack up and go home. We don't need any more dishonest, misogynistic ***** running around here.
- airwalkery2k, on 09/05/2008, -0/+5My mom still blames me for that scar.
- rolandvvv, on 09/05/2008, -0/+5my first thoughts exactly.
- enantiodromia, on 09/05/2008, -0/+4somehow i bet you are for other types of murder however.
- natarsha3000, on 09/05/2008, -0/+4I think the study doesn't prove anything, especially if there were only 12 participants. How many people live in this county? They could only study 12 pregnant women giving birth by c-section? My mother gave birth to all of her children including me by c-section.(that was a total of 4). We have always had a close relationship with her.I never wanted to have a c-section and always thought I would have a vaginal birth. I had my first son c-section at 42 weeks, after being induced, and dilating 4cm. I felt very close and still am to him. My second son was an emergency c-section after dilating for the full 10 centimeters. I was very sick after him, but felt a close bond. Both children were fed breast milk. The first son I was unable to nurse so I pumped for 5 months, the second nursed for 10 months, maybe this helped the bonding process.
- faithfreedom, on 09/05/2008, -0/+4BREAKING: Dig users love crap "scientific" studies.
- antoniamart, on 09/05/2008, -0/+4This study is less than impressive. The real argument against convenience C-sections and medicated births that lead to C-sections is the study that revealed more than double the infant mortality for C-sections. It is believe than the vaginal contractions that push the baby out pump the heart and lungs removing fluid and preparing it to breath upon exit. Without this pumping, the baby often ends up in the NICU with respiratory problems.
- Kidtuf, on 09/05/2008, -1/+5@ Flushnasty...
Um...I'm not sure if you're aware but I wasn't arguing home births vs hospital births. I was referring to the danger posed to both the mother and the baby when birthing a baby in breech position. I'm not sure why you've all the sudden taken the creepy conspiracy theory route and railed against modern medicine, but I suppose that's your prerogative. - gweedo767, on 09/05/2008, -1/+5In related news, another study shows that babies or mothers that die in natural birth due to complications bond even less.
- krellor, on 09/05/2008, -0/+4Yes, all of science is in disrepute because of one bad study. Oh, and because of this study allele frequency no longer changes over time, and gravity is broken.
- PhoenixAvatar2, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3There's people out there with certain body types who could actually die during labor. That's the main reason behind a C-section. We do not need ***** stories like this getting idiots screaming about how it'll hurt the baby, blah blah blah, you should risk your life rather then comply with the doctor's recommendations. Like everyone said above, a study of 12 is no study at all. Buried as inaccurate.
- Bunnybutt, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3Why was this "study" even published, when only 12 people were used. A C-section is never performed on a whim, be it elective or emergency (obviously). This is just another piece of published garbage to alarm people.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3Hell, I've even gotten teary eye'd when my wife made me flush a couple of spectacular turds.
- chuckDontSurf, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3FTA: "women who had given birth via Caesarean had lower levels of activity than mothers who had undergone natural births in parts of the brain linked with empathy, drive and motivation."
Maybe part of this is explained by their bodies' resources going towards recovering from major surgery. - Vohu, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3My wife just gave birth last week via c-section. The child was a week late by then and since she had a previous c-section induction wasn't safe. The child hadn't dropped at all when he was removed so there was no telling just how much longer he'd stay in there before she could give birth naturally.
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