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- rarkai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+57You know? You are just as bad as the overly evangelical Christians you hate.
If you don't believe in Jesus, then by all means, you are free to do so, but don't bash others for choosing too. That makes you as bad as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
There is no reason people who have religious beliefs and people who don't cannot get along. It is simply jerks on both sides of the issue that keep up the fight. - therightside, on 10/12/2007, -30/+68But... i thought everything in the bible was made up fairy tales? Thats what the diggers told me.
- ubuntuedgy, on 10/12/2007, -17/+54If you want to claim that Jesus was nothing more than a man, fine. But to claim he did not exist when there are, in fact, historical references to him is just plain dumb. He existed. Whether he was God or not is clearly open to debate.
- saethone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Everybody knows Herod is in Scarlet Monastery: Armory
- adent1066, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Unless you were a ruler or military leader, it's not likely that a single individual would have much historical archaeological evidence from 2000 years ago.
- wbienek, on 10/12/2007, -11/+31As far as Jesus not existing and him not being God..
We'll find out when we die.
Place your bets. The current wager is your immortal soul.
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On another note, I notice that the Digg Community diggs down what they dont agree with instead of digging down spam, trolls and unintelligent arguments..
Uncool.. - roxics, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32I disagree, I know some atheists (or at least that's what they call themselves) who preach atheism or rather anti-religion, and act just like die hard religious types in that fashion. Very religious about atheism :)
I have to ask myself, why do they care so much what I believe in? - goodbeershow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21They better start digging in Earhartium and Hoffaium. Who would have guessed?
- MattBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Here we go again ..... cue another pointless theological flame posting
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -15/+29@dildooreilly - There is actually evidence that Joshua ben Joseph, or Jesus Christ, was a real person - for one thing you don't show up in three different religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) on a whim.
Plus to tag on to what others have noted - practice what you preach, if you don't want people jamming religion down you throat then don't do it to other people. - therightside, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Really cause the article says he was King in 40 BC and then wiki says:
Herod the Great (c. 74-4 BC), king of Judea who reconstructed the Second Temple in Jerusalem and was described in the Gospel of Matthew as ordering the "Massacre of the Innocents
Isnt the gospel of mathew in the bible? - EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17"Have they found any evidence of the mythical Jesus Christ yet?"
The answer is yes, indeed. The evidence is *as inctrontravertable* as that of any ancient historical figure.
The notion that Jesus never existed was first proposed in the early 1900s and enjoyed a very brief popularity. For some reason, it has been resurrected in the early 2000s, and highly popularized on the Internet. The problem is that people who put forward this idea are those who would accept the existence of Socrates, Plato, Virgil, Caesar, etc.,etc.,etc., and still deny Jesus' existence. Yet, there's more evidence that Jesus existed than several of these other cases.
Even when we want to discuss the existence of more recent historical figures -- take William Shakespeare for example -- we still rely on similar types of evidence: works attributed to the person, if they exist; documents discussing said person; documents describing their associates; archeological evidence which can be directly associated with said person (such as Shakespeare's grave), or which verifies the accuracy of a source -- obscure locations (a street, a well, a palace, etc.) which the source refers to, lending it credibility.
-Pie - deepdiggdude, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24Digg title: Archaeologist Finds Tomb of King Herod
Actual article: King Herod's Tomb *May* Have Been Found
FTA:researchers found pieces of a limestone sarcophagus believed to belong to the ancient king...no bones (but) the sarcophagus' location and ornate appearance indicated it is Herod's.
Netzer ...was not on the site when the sarcophagus was found.
Stephen Pfann, an expert in the Second Temple period at the University of the Holy Land, called the find a "major discovery by all means," but cautioned further research is needed.
He said all signs indicate the tomb belongs to Herod, but said *ruins with an inscription on it were needed for full verification*.
--Okaaaaay. Come back when you've got some evidence we can take to court. - SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Personally I'm starting up a new Branch Davidian complex... Lots of guns and women. Who could resist?
- boatboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9To be clear, this is Herod the Great, who died around 4BC. The Herod that allegedly killed John the Baptist was his son, Herod Antipas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Antipas
Up until now the main non-Biblical historical evidence for their existence was the book Antiquities, written circa 100AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities_of_the_Jews
Of course this finding could still be disproven, but it does at least suggest that Antiquities is a somewhat reliable historical source. - Oxygen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10BLADES OF LIGHT!
- ElwoodHerring, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11You're going to have to try a lot harder than that. Just because King Herod's tomb is found does not equate to proof that God exists. Herod is an established historical character; his existence was never in any doubt. He lived; ergo he died; ergo he must be buried somewhere. I also am quite certain that the man known to us as Jesus Christ also existed, but I have yet to find any proof of his divinity. In fact I know that the question of his divinity was put to the vote at the Nicene Council in AD 325, and the motion passed - by a majority of ONE! Had Constantine himself not voted in favour, history from that point on might have been totally different.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -1/+8And now for a less smartass correction: the Herod in the story of the killing of babies is this Herod, Herod the Great. The Herod that had John the Baptist beheaded and who ruled the Jews under Pilate was Herod Antipas. The Herods in Acts were Agrippa I and Agrippa II. I'm sure there are more there, but this should suffice to demonstrate that all manner of Herod are in the Bible, but it's hard to know who the hell someone means when they say "Herod in the Bible."
- TheBowerbird, on 10/12/2007, -17/+24Actually, the Josephus mention of Jesus was forged and added at a later date. Atheism is also not a religion.
- moskrin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7archaeologists... now those are some folks who digg...
- Pixelante, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11So what. Just be honest and generally good, and you're safe.
If there's no God, fine. You've lived well and harmed no one, and you've gone with a clear conscience.
If there is, then it's margaritas in Heaven time for you.
If you don't believe in God and the afterlife and still live as a good guy, and God exists, you've served Him/Her anyway so no big deal.
If you're a hate-mongerer, however, whether atheist or believer, you better hope there's no God around or you're as ***** as Jack Thompson at a WoW party. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -2/+8Just because New York City (the entirely real city) exists doesn't mean that HEROES (the entirely fictional TV show set in NYC) is true.
There is NO evidence that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. The only papers documenting him at all were written over a century after his fictional death (amalgamated from over a score of prior mythical messiah tales) by people who could never have met him.
So, in point of fact, the overwhelming evidence (including sources prior and contemporary to when he was supposed to have lived) only confirm that he was and remains an entirely fictional character. No one who actually lived at that time has any recollection, in any form, that he ever existed at all...period.
It doesn't mean the moral messages of the bible are any less relevant or valuable to those who find guidance or solace in them. But those messages are simple universal truths all based on the Golden Rule of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". They were known and passed on for tens of thousands of years before the bible and they will still be true long after we're gone.
There is nothing divine in knowing right from wrong, or in knowing that your own existence is better assured by mutual respect and civility.
Everything else (re: all religion) is just the result of weak, charismatic men trying to lay down rules to control other men...or more accurately...their women. - exec721, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Validity of the Bible? Isn't that open to interpretation? Couldn't one argue that it is simply a history of the Jews and early Christians? Just because they believed something was taking place, doesn't mean they were correct. Sure, the stories may have been told honestly, however, you can't dismiss the fact that they could have misinterpreted events. For example, when the Kingdom of Israel was taken over by Assyria, the writers of the Bible said that this was because the Israelites had broken their covenant with God. However, when we examine the situation historically, we find that there were several reasons as to why Assyria would have wanted to conquer Israel; it contained rich and fertile land, provided a buffer between Assyria and Egypt, it was located by the coast, etc. Furthermore, many books in the Bible may have possibly been forged. The reason for this is that many ancients writers used to make their books famous by placing famous names on them. That is not to say that everything about them is incorrect, however, any responsible historian would tell you that you need to look at it with skepticism. This even happens in some of Paul's writings as the dialect and grammar changes in some books.
With that said, I respect everybody's religious beliefs. I simply urge anyone who reads the bible to please put it in historical context and try to understand the situation for what it was, not as it appears today. - Fhwqhgads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I knew that was coming.
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@pixelante - Here, here! I dugg you up for that one.
Pretty much all of the major religions and most of the minor ones as well have some form of a "golden rule" that says pretty much - "Treat others as you would have them treat you." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You should've posted "AACS Code Found on Recently-Discovered Tomb of King Herod."
- locri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As has been pointed out above, this article is only that the Tomb --might-- have been found, not that it is. Given the text of the article it seems like a lot of top-down processing is going on in the mind of this archaeologist. There have been no inscriptions found to completely verify this, so they are just making guesses based on it being a more fancy tomb than others.
And to all of those saying that this somehow proves Christianity right: The city of Troy has been found too, but it doesn't mean that the Trojan War happened as it was described in mythological text... get a grip. There is a huge precedent for using an accurate historical backdrop when creating mythological stories and Christianity is no different. - MooX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@wbienek
I tried to sort of look beyond the pulpit speech that you were gearing up towards on your last post... hell, I even kind of defended you.
And before I say what I need to say, know, I do believe in God... I JUST DO NOT RAM IT DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS.
You, my friend, are about to get the plunger out.
Just remember that when anyone is forced to ingest too much of something, they throw up.
You were complaining about spam, trolls, and screamers before... and now you have become one. Rethink, reflect, than go looking for some digg salvation before you are a full-blown heretic. - nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"But to deny you have a spirit is ignorant, and if you admit you have a spirit, who are you to call ANY of the prophets liars if you havent walked in their shoes?"
Ignorant? Let's have the evidence then. Oh, that's right, you don't have any - just a bunch of dubious stories and a dose of wishful thinking.
And, by believing in your particular flavor of religion, you are calling the prophets and followers of all other world religions liars. Who are YOU to be calling them all liars?
Here's one way of looking at it - you're ALL ***** unless you can put up some solid evidence for your magical religious happenings.
I don't care if your 2000 years dead and in a book. A ***** is a *****. - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's a subtle threat, an imaginary protection racket, with real payments.
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ICSU - Yes and no, you asked a question and I am answering it - you can't really complain about someone answering a question, even if you don't like the answer.
- phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@eagle22s
Have ye any thought of thy own? Or are old words in Shakespearian manner all that comfort thou. - dfltr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3seriously. i heard the archaeologists wiped a bunch on pats before they got to the actual tomb.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -0/+2@nsummy
Jesus' birth was somewhere between 8 BC and 2 BC. Yes, it was the same Herod. - Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@waka
what an ignorant statement. Study up a bit. Understanding that your not the center of the world, what is right and wrong is not defined by your opinion at whatever point in time, reality is not dependant on your interpretation, and you'll start to find true freedom and intellectual enlightenment. Sin enslaves people and destroys their freedom. - rhabd0mancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When you fade to black into nothingness, how will you know you were wrong?
- Justavian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm interested by the fact that most believers will tell you that they require no evidence to believe. Indeed, evidence that refutes any of their beliefs will be discounted or ignored. But, by god, if they come up with something that they think is evidence, they sure aren't afraid to yell it from the rooftops!
- phaed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry ... I got all my money on the 72 virgins.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -1/+3@AntiA2007
You do realize no one disputed Herod the Great's existence, right?
The validity of the surrounding historical events of the Bible actually greatly increases in the New Testament. I would say this is largely because it was set during Roman rule, which including much better recordkeeping and means of preserving documents.
While many texts were retroactively written, the history was either a lot fresher in the writers minds or easier to check on. There's a big difference between this and the stories of the Old Testament. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=858212&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4
In the enlightened world it's called robbery - Haaretz - Israel News
The discovery of Herod's tomb, or to be more precise a few fragments of dressed stone that one archaeology professor has concluded are the remains of Herod's sarcophagus, have preoccupied television news and magazine programs. One important detail was forgotten, or almost forgotten: that the excavation of this tomb of Herod was carried out in occupied territory, where Israel has no moral right to dig and certainly not to remove archaeological artifacts. In the enlightened world, what Israel is doing is called robbery. According to Israeli law, of course, the robbery is organized and supported by state officials bearing the title of junior staff officer for archaeology. - 03FightOn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3first line of the article:
"An Israeli archaeologist on Tuesday said he has found remnants of the tomb of King Herod, "
Which do you pay more attention to, the article or the headline? - ddales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, I never expected that kind of response. Somebody didn't catch the sarcasm.
All I know is for someone so famous, there has never ever been any real/proven forensic evidence of the guy. Personally, I couldn't care less if he was real or not. That's about as relevant to my life as the Easter Bunny or Santa. If you take my comments as an attack on Christianity, or for that matter, taking the side of some other religion or the lack thereof, you're way off the mark. Religion to me is also completely irrelevant. No forensic evidence means that the evidence either hasn't yet been found or doesn't exist. One of the two has to be the truth but not both. - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1According to "GOD" only the believers are "Saved" and the rest are damned then that is quite a price to pay. Don't wanna pay for his protection? You go to hell. If it were really FREE every human being regardless of his religion or belief would be granted a peaceful afterlife.
- phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If god was HOLY and JUST then he would know that I have not done anything wrong and I do not need "punishing". Therefore I wouldn't need to be "Saved" by any twisted little contract. If god was HOLY and JUST then he would let me believe and act in accordance to my innate morality and sense of goodness. And would welcome me to heaven unconditionally. If he is not HOLY and JUST I want nothing from him and I will willingly omit myself from his UNHOLY and UNJUST "Heaven".
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1All true.
The Palestinian Authority Tourism Ministry said there was not enough evidence to support the archeologist's claim.
"There's nothing unusual about the latest discovery, which is no different from previous ones," a senior official in the ministry said.
The official claimed that the discovery was lacking in "scientific credibility" and showed that there were ideological motives behind the dramatic announcement earlier this week.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1178708568365
PA official disputes King Herod's tomb discovery claim | Jerusalem Post - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It would appear that the ideological bias flows almost naturally from the basic immorality of excavating in occupied territory: The rush to declare that this is Herod's grave recalls various vain attempts by local archaeologists to deceive the world with sensational discoveries that have little connection to reality and which dissipate like soap bubbles: beginning with the dubious Josiah inscription, which turned out to be a forgery; continuing with the fraudulent James Ossuary, reputed to be that of Jesus' brother; the family tomb of Jesus' family, that recently caused a baseless sensation; not to mention the cave discovered in the Judean Hills a couple of years ago, which, based on a few blurred carvings on its walls, was attributed to John the Baptist, with the same certainty and insistence that the same Jerusalem professor is now attributing four broken stones to Herod.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=858212&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4
In the enlightened world it's called robbery - Haaretz - Israel News - AntiA2007, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7No credible historian today denies that Jesus once existed.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A Palestinian official on Wednesday expressed doubts regarding an Israeli archeologist's announcement that he had found the tomb of King Herod, the legendary builder of ancient Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1178708568365
PA official disputes King Herod's tomb discovery claim | Jerusalem Post
The Palestinian Authority Tourism Ministry said there was not enough evidence to support the archeologist's claim.
"There's nothing unusual about the latest discovery, which is no different from previous ones," a senior official in the ministry said.
The official claimed that the discovery was lacking in "scientific credibility" and showed that there were ideological motives behind the dramatic announcement earlier this week. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=858212&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4
In the enlightened world it's called robbery - Haaretz - Israel News
The discovery of Herod's tomb, or to be more precise a few fragments of dressed stone that one archaeology professor has concluded are the remains of Herod's sarcophagus, have preoccupied television news and magazine programs. One important detail was forgotten, or almost forgotten: that the excavation of this tomb of Herod was carried out in occupied territory, where Israel has no moral right to dig and certainly not to remove archaeological artifacts. In the enlightened world, what Israel is doing is called robbery. According to Israeli law, of course, the robbery is organized and supported by state officials bearing the title of junior staff officer for archaeology. - nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"The Bible has shown to be fact time and time again. The only fantasies, it seems, are those of the atheists and skeptics who are striving beyond hope to convince themselves that there is no God. That way, they can live their lives however they want, free from any morality and meaning that they, themselves, cannot control as they see fit."
Perhaps you believe Harry Potter to be true because some of the locations actually exist.
Atheists generally don't strive to convince themselves - it's easier than that. The evidence is unsatisfactory and as such dismissed out of hand. If you want to believe in magic in this day and age then fine - that takes more effort.
Finally, like many religious diggers on here, you categorize yourself as an idiot by claiming that being an atheist is tantamount to being immoral. Nothing is further from the truth. Decent human beings do not need to cower under the shadow of some monotheistic bible god in order to have morals and meaning to their lives. Indeed, believing that this may be the only life we have leads to cherishing it and not screwing it up for others (golden rule). -
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