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- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+81It's about agency - the capacity for your actions to be meaningful. It's a fundamental aspect of what makes games fun - e.g. in a single player game when you can sit back and say "I caused that huge explosion", or in a normal multi player game when you can sit back and say "I won the round for my team, I rock".
In the case of a cheater, they enjoy the power that they wield, both in terms of killing everyone, and in terms of emptying a server successfully.
It's similar to trolling message boards. People that would normally get ignored, get to wield a lot of influence. - RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+71I don't understand why people cheat. Having an instawin doesn't seem like much fun...
Very informative video - Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -5/+55Its fun for a little bit. Everybody who's curious enough tries it at least once. But it gets old quite fast, and soon you realize that fair competition is more fun... and that owning 4 guys legitly kicks 20x more ass.
- CitizenC, on 10/12/2007, -4/+51A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I used to work for GameSpy. Specifically, I ran 3DActionPlanet.
One of the most popular stories we ran was actually an interview with the author of one of the old cheat packs for CS. Fortunately, the content archive is still up, so you can still read the interview:
http://www.3dactionplanet.com/features/interviews/xqz2/ - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -5/+50And you, Solaris, are I believe what our English cousins is what is know as a "*****".
If you get off on causing other people grief I feel very sad for you. Why don't you just get a SP game, turn on all the cheats and pretend. It is about as hard, and at least you aren't runining other people's game. - terminality, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39It's "gladiator feat izzy - Now We Are Free". Don't ask me how I know that.
Edit: Directed at the wrong person...I hope I never breed. - ATLBeer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39Chapter 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__EuxBg9HVA&NR - jotux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33I'm an admin on a CS:S server, and we get our fair share of cheaters. Whenever I catch someone obvious(wallhack or aimbot, but very obvious) I don't just kick and ban them....Since we have mani admin installed, we can use the cexec command to run commands on their client. Usually I'll rebind most of their keys to the regular action+screenshot. So every key they press will take a screenshot on their machine. You can also do some mean things like binding there keys to make them quit, drop the weapon, or unbind all their keys and bind some of yours to take over their entire character. The funnest part is when its a noob cheater that doesn't even understand simple console commands, so once you set some of these binds they wont know how to fix them......
- loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33Good explanation.
Cheaters made CS worthless to me and other people. I'll never play it again. - thewaz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33you cant really cheat at tiddlywinks.. but whatever.
- FetalSage, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33LucianSolaris, you can go to hell. Once a cheater always a cheater. Do what wilf_brim said and buy SP games, we don't need your kind online.
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27"I'll never play it again."
Cheating basically doesn't happen with VAC2. As Solaris readily admits, it was bad enough for him to stop cheating. When I was playing CS:S regularly earlier in the year, I saw a cheat once a month, at most.
If you're on a server with regular admins, it's not a problem. So if that was the only reason you gave up, you should consider giving it a try again sometime. :)
"hey guys, don't digg DOWN my post!!!"
It's also basically a repost of what I said, except with added smugness (like this post :P). - cvelusc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I dugg this so that all you prospective cheaters will focus on CS and stay away from my game. Thank you for not ruining my time.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yes, it's really obvious, but there isn't always an admin on the server that cares to boot the hacker.
Speed hacking is really obvious, and you can pretty much tell when someone's walling and aimbotting. If they come around the corner sniping your head, it's a pretty clear sign. - justice7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14The beautiful thing about VAC2 .......
They don't tell you when they detect your cheats. So you play along, cheating at will... and a week later you go to cheat some more on some unsuspecting legit players, and you see "Steam ID BANNED", on every secure sever. Whoops, looks like you just got caught.
VAC does not ban on sight, unless its a known-found hack. If you are using one of the "undetected" versions, VAC logs any memory/injection alterations and when it finds that those alterations match one of the hacks that they 'catch up on', boom you're toasted.
Not to mention just because they havn't banned a particular hack yet, doesn't mean they're not seeing you use it, and recording that. You will be banned in the next few days.
this is a GREAT way to cut down on cheaters.. they don't last long. - SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Here's a website that sells the hacks: http://www.msxsecurity.com/ I've tried submitting the site to Valve, but I don't think they've found a way for VAC2 to detect it yet.
Please digg this site into oblivion. Or even better, someone hack their site and shut it down. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15LucianSolaris, it's strange that you have no empathy for anyone else who plays Counter-Strike. I'm sure there is some form of entertainment that you enjoy, perhaps you watch a sport, that would be spoiled by cheats.
- illu45, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15LucianSolaris: You know, you could always get *good* at the game through practice, then kick everyone's ass and laugh when people try to call you out for cheating when you aren't... But I guess that requires too much patience for someone like you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19I thought Counterstrike source had some built in software to prevent this from happening?
I really don't understand how these people get away with it? Isnt it obvious when someone is running through the level killing everyone immediately that they are using a hack. Bearing in mind that everyone's copy of source has to be uniquely registered to them it should be easy to permanently ban people. - iupetre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13That's why I don't play CS anymore. Too many servers with too many asses.
- terminality, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12So what you're saying is that you failed at being a n00b?
- Alchemist5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=857119145599722751&q=gotfrag
Thats what good CS players look like. - GeneralFailure0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"It was nearly impossible to play legitly, and everyone else playing had the same opportunity to get the same hacks."
*****. You complain about cheating being so rampant and then talk about how you started cheating? Hypocritical *****. I used to play this game all the time, and legitly. If you hack, you aren't playing CS:S, you're playing "Be An ***** Script Kitty". You don't make people stop hacking by hacking, you just make the game less fun for everybody else. - charged2885, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9ugh... dod:s is my favorite game. i should say was. it's so obvious when you die and see fromt he prespective of the cheater. they look at walls then bam kill you as soon as you walk or run into their sights. the fact that this site is profiting from cheating makes me sick to my stomach.
- umrgregg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9jfreeman, VAC is not entirely like an anti virus. In addition to detecting known hacks, it will act on injection, packet mismatches, snooping, and any number of memory manipulations. It also keeps a log of past activity, so if you're using an unknown cheat and it becomes known (through your individual use or by community use; yes it has detected private hacks) you will be banned.
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8VAC2 doesn't eliminate this. Cheating still takes place.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9gg on you and your fellow admins for this. Kick/ban is OK, but nowhere near justice. Doing this gives back at least a little bit of the grief that they have caused.
- PsypherX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9That doesn't even look like it'd be fun to play. For some single-player games (Doom 3, etc.) every once in a while I'll toss on god mode or, for Doom 3, the Duct Tape mod to make things a bit more playable, and to just have fun with it.
For multiplayer FPSes like CS and DoD and such, though, cheating is just wrong. It's one thing if it's just your experience you're altering, but to force that on others is just whack.
I remember on one CS: Source server I was on, a blatant cheater was going around with speedhacks and aimbots and such, and it was a major accomplishment for someone to kill him with a stray bullet, lol. - jotux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7LucianSolaris, one day when you grow up, you're going to look back at yourself and it's going to make you sick. People who have loose morals in petty things like games, have loose morals in other parts of their life. Hopefully when you mature, you'll learn how important empathy is. Hopefully you'll grow up into a decent person, but right now it looks like you're never going to be a very good person.
- ja1217, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@admdrew
wow, that really sucks for you. That seems really unfair - ArcticCelt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I found interesting the information that LucianSolaris gave us and it just confirmed my opinion on the subject. Most of those cheaters are people suffering different degree of antisocial personality disorder or in other words are psychopaths. I am sure that most of them are still functional in the real world and go through life without doing (or getting caught doing) something to much horrible. The most interesting part is when he said that he stopped because he did not want to be punished. We don’t realize it but there is lots of psychopaths everywhere in the real world. Fortunately, thanks to their fear to go to jail or get financially punished they respect the law. When you remove punishment for bad behavior like when there is a disaster and law enforcement agents are overwhelmed, you can see them start to act according to their true nature as their fear to get caught disappear.
LucianSolaris your kind are parasites to the human race. My goal in life is to make the world a better place. Yours is probably to eat sleep and go to the craper, not unlikely a beast. I am not saying that people like you are stupid, not at all, often psychopaths are very intelligent and financially successful. I am just saying that it must be a very sad and unfulfilling existence. - ifoundgodot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9That was Counterstrike 1.6, not Source ;)
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I don't get it. That video was boring and gameplay would be completely unchallenging. I think the people who do this, do it because they have are small somewhere, internally or externally. Their ego is infantile and undeveloped.
- brandonking, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I have used cheats in CS:S. I got bored of the game, and cheating was so rampant that it was nearly impossible on most servers to play late at night (when admins were asleep). I never used aimbots, just wallhacks, and most of the time is was amusing to watch other people that were using wallhacks realize I was watching them. Half way across the map and you're already aiming at their head? This was right before VAC was released, so it was the pinnacle of cheat season. I hear VAC actually did very little to stop the cheating, other than scare people.
When you die and are in spectator mode, it is VERY easy to spot a cheater. First, if they have an aimbot, usually, not always, you will see their aim spinning around very slightly and then immediately snap to the target. They will amost NEVER use nades unless they have a sure shot at killing 3+ people (have to deactivate the aimbot, etc). They will aim at walls without looking around them. If you are on follow, switch to free flying mode and follow their aim straight through the walls. Chances are someone will be there.
I cheated for maybe a month of two until is got just as boring. You can't really halfway cheat, since you will get owned by the people using speed hacks and aimbots (insta-headshooters). If no one was cheating, I would turn it off. Even when I was cheating, I was never banned, since I was 'smart' about it. I would make mistakes, always look around corners before I fired, sometimes look around the wrong one, and just generally look like I was either lucky or camping base. My score was very very rarely number one. I just killed when it counted most.
Anyhow, that's my little story. Mod it down if ya want. This was the only game I've cheated on, and I don't feel sorry at all. It was nearly impossible to play legitly, and everyone else playing had the same opportunity to get the same hacks. - jfreeman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Server adminstrators can run VAC: Valve Anti-Cheat to detect cheaters. I'm sure the video author turned it off on a private server so that he could make the video.
However, VAC is like anti-virus: it has to know about the cheat before it can ban players using it. New cheats can hide under the radar for awhile.
But your second comment is absolutely true. It *is* completely obvious, and they can easily be banned permanently, however, there is not always a server admin playing at the time. - jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Well let me first say that i am quite an avid CSS player. And let me tell you that there are hackers everywhere, and for the most part they are easy to spot.
9 times out of 10 you can tell by the fact that they shoot like pros's but play like nubs, i.e. they only check behind crates that have an enemy behind them, only check a room when that an enemy is in, etc etc
It seems most hackers are people who are new to CS, and don't want to take the time to get good at it, especially CS's aiming and shooting system (holding down the mouse button and going crazy wont get you far at all). So in order to be as good as other experienced players they go and get some hacks, and start to own people. And i think a lot of them also stop playing the game, because just like anything else with no challenge, it gets boring.
My biggest rant about hackers, and what bothers me the most about the whole subject is players who refuse to acknowledge that someone is hacking, especially admins. I stopped pointing out people who were obviously hacking in game a long time ago, based on the fact that whenever i did it was always met with comments like
"Shut up, learn to play"
and
"You just suck"
And it isn't the hacker who says these things, its the other ignoramuses on the server. - admdrew, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5...like the old Cheating Death program (an anti-cheating program you could use client-side), that the pre-source VAC servers considered a *cheat* and banned keys for?
I still have 2 years on a 6 year ban from all VAC servers on my HL Game of the Year edition key due to the use of Cheating Death... it will be interesting to see if the old HL1 VAC servers (*not* source) are still functioning then. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I've never played CS before (I'm an RTS kind of guy), but the video was pretty interesting just from an informational point of view. Dugg.
- Killerbean83, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Besides, you still have the "skilled" hackers. People who turn on and off their cheats. They make 1, maybe 2 weird kills, then turn it off. Then they play normal for 4,5 rounds, and turn them on again. Or people who only use wallhack, and are not that stupid to actually LOOK at the person BEHIND the wall. They just keep them in their screen, but not in the cursor. And good players can hear you walk, hell, i make 50% of my kills on sound alone. So picking out cheaters ain't as easy as is suggested here. And in CS:S i don't run into cheaters that much anymore. 1.5 and 1.6 we're the worst ever. WON did not stop anything at all.
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"*loads up his uberhack and CS:S and prepares to serve a brutal raping to the innocent sheeple in an unVACed and unadmined 30 player server*"
Lol, tbh if they are playing on non-VAC servers, they are almost certainly cheaters or ex-cheaters too, so they deserve what they get. I can't think of any other reason why you would play on a non-VAC server. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Vac2 is not foolproof. It uses crc checksums to find known cheats, so underground (or private), patching vac2's client, and polymorphic loaders will still beat it.
You'd think they would just dectect any hooking, and or not look for specific signatures, but just look for any changes in their librays lol - cello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I remember Vic 20's with tape drives like they were yesterday .... I'm 25
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2People don't cheat to win. They cheat for fun.
- Darkkish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF145536-01-02-01.mp3
learn to use google, all I typed in was gladiator trance
by the way that brought up this page:
http://www.juno.co.uk/products/145536-01.htm
which means that the song is:
"Now We Are Free" (Lost Brothers remix)
on second listen that might not be the exact one, but its similar - terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There's actually a gaming videos topic on Digg. It's under the Videos section.
- vonnie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's why I only play with friends I know in real life or just play single player. On the internet you just have too many 12 year old little brats that have no social life.
- JustinT9669, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only thing I hate about hacks is that people become really good at hiding them and they end up playing in cal tournaments.
- vonnie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They should just be sued. People will stop playing cs if there are too many cheaters. Loss of income + circumventing security == hefty fine.
- returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Cheaters should be publically lynched. And no, I am not joking. Pieces of *****.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.pwned.nl
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