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- pcdoc, on 10/12/2007, -11/+64Ummm.. Yeah I remember, I waited 18hrs. Got the system. Plugged it in and was online playing other users and talking to them within 20minutes of opening the box. I didn't need to go out and buy a usb/bluetooth headset. Everything I needed to play online properly was already there. And if you're going to come out and compete with a console after all that smack talk you better at least deliver an expirence on par or better than your competetion. You want to know why the Online service is free with Sony? It sucks.. no one would pay for the service in the state it is in!
- Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -10/+59yes the specs are way "highers"
LAMO - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+55Except the online is scattered and slow, and the controllers are missing a key features, and the controllers have a tilt feature which nothing uses, and the controller must be synced again after every game is ejected, and the system doesnt have an upscaler, and the system has lost almost all of its exclusives, and the games it does have don't look as good as a system released a year ago, and you cannot play mp3s in game, and each game has a seperate friends list you must program, and you have to leave the game to get to your main friend list, and you cannot stream media to the system, and the core cpu is tougher to program for, and the GPU isnt as powerful as the 360's GPU. Other that that, I agree with you 100%.
- Thorlord, on 10/12/2007, -13/+58i guess its a bit biased, but its not really fanboyish, but its more frustrated gamer disappointed with sony not learning from their mistakes.
i still kinda need to see it first hand how well the console and its interface turned out. - achoo5000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49FTA:
“It’s a BlueRay player that happens to play games”
ouch. - treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -12/+49The major problem with the PS3 is that Sony has evil motives behind it's release. I don't think they care too much about the gaming side of things, but more-so about pushing their Blu-Ray format and doing so in the hopes of making it the standard.
If Sony wasn't pushing Blu-Ray not only would the PS3 have been released earlier than the 360, it would have been as cheap as the 360 and I'd say would have been a better system all-round.
Instead of packaging an all-in-one Blu-Ray player/console. Why didn't they do what Microsoft did (HD-DVD) and release the console with standard DVD player and then release a Blu-Ray add-on drive. Hell they could have even sold the Blu-Ray add-on for $50 and lost $$$... but at least they would have been out early. - Lax32, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39Ok, Ill admit Im a 360 guy myself first of all.
But what disappointed me the most about the PS3 was that when they kept pushing and pushing back the date until it was a full year behind the 360, they didnt bring anything else to the table.
I know that most of the specs of the system are locked in and were going to be the same like it or not, but why not spend the extra year you are behind developing cool addons (even perhaps an equivelent to Xbox Live?) and accessories, so that when it hits the shelves, you can pull the "Yeah, we are a year late, BUT, we are going to offer a system that is better than the 360, so if you are in the market now look to us".
Instead, they just offer a system that is 200$ more for a player for a movie format that will be dead in 2 years and at best around the same quality and capabilities as a 360.
They cant go around expecting PS2 fanboys to keep giving them uncoditional support and wait a year while their friends had 360s when they start doing things like this. - supermanred, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27i think the ps3 will rock in a year or so when they get the bugs worked out and some decent titles. im happy with my 360 for now, i will be buying a wii.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Haha, who is paying me? did you even read this post? or the Arstechnica post? Or any other review?
In a previous story from a developer, he stated that the graphics chip was an underclocked 7800 in the PS3 while the 360 has an underclocked ATI 2900 (which isnt out yet). Also, the 360 has 512 of completely shared memory, where the PS3 has only 256 dedicated to the graphics processor. That you cannot deny. So why was anything I said weird or wrong in anyway? The 7800 is a last gen graphics processor. The PS3 simply doesnt have the hardware to upscale as well as the 360. These are not opinions, they are facts.
The cell is the most advanced processor, no one denies that. It will do amazing things for physics. However, it is not easy to program for. - eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28I like my ps3. I like it more than the 360 and the Wii, and I've played all three. I don't hate people for liking the Wii better, or the 360. That's just stupid, and ridiculous. It's a machine. It does what I want it to do, and it entertains me. If you're not going to buy a ps3, and you don't have anything constructive or helpful to say, then don't bother yourself with it, and we'll all be happier without your comments.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Fanboy points? Are you kidding me?
You can argue all you want about the games, but if the GAMES cannot deal with:
upscaling
mp3 playing within the games
unified online community
last gen graphics chip
tough to program for CPU
limited memory on said graphics chip
controller that randomly goes nuts
what do you think will happen?
Is it fanboyism that nearly every media outlet, including the New York Times has claimed that this console is simply not living up to its hype and is not even worth it now? And another thing, do you really want Sony developing their own games? They don't seem to succeed at much. - yeediddy, on 10/12/2007, -16/+32the PS3 is the result of Sony rushing themselves to market with a machine that's not focused on gaming - but trying to make itself more important than a console. Only hardcore gamers is interested in having a game console that can double as a media center. And it's costing them $$$ per unit, and disappointing gamers by missing their own limited shipping projections.
So Sony dropped the ball trying by overpromising and under delivering - sounds like business as usual at Sony. - vw195, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Plus with all that extra time, its unbelievable how sh*tty Sony's launch titles are.
- h0m3styl3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Remember microsoft is now seeing profit from every xbox 360 sold...and nintendo is seeing profit from every wii sold right from the very start!
how much is sony losing for every ps3 right now? (yes, I know the 360 was initially sold at a loss, but do you think sony will be able to sell ps3's at profit in the time it took microsoft?) - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18"Instead of packaging an all-in-one Blu-Ray player/console. Why didn't they do what Microsoft did (HD-DVD) and release the console with standard DVD player and then release a Blu-Ray add-on drive. Hell they could have even sold the Blu-Ray add-on for $50 and lost $$$... but at least they would have been out early."
Because then they couldn't tout their "installed base" of 400,000 Blu-Ray players to the studios and networks. Gamers would probably just ignore an add-on Blue-Ray player, so Sony thought.. again.. that they could dictate to the market what it was going to buy. And.. again.. they're going to fail. How man failed attempts at lock-in (betamax, miniCD, memory sticks, music formats, etc) is it going to take for the lesson to stick? They better figure it out soon before they disappear. - hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20I will get modded down. But when the 360s came out, we had incidents of consoles overheating and burning, hard drives crashing etc. These things happen. I know the 360 has a very strong community around it, but I can't help but wonder how many of the people are shills.
- unclefrank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12i'm still waiting for sony to tell me if next gen gaming has started yet or not.
- isayx3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15"upscaling - will be fixed in the next firmware update"
You are just making stuff up. It's already said that the PS3 does not have the hardware to upscale like the 360. So any upscaling will have to be done via software which doesn't really seem like an option considering a lot of the ps3 launch titles have framerate issues at 1080p.
Where is your source that says it will be in the next firmware? - vw195, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"By the way, you are not paying $200 for a Blu-Ray player. You are paying $100 for a Blu-Ray player. A $600 PS3 is in a different class than a $400 Xbox 360 even without the addition of Blu-Ray. You have to compare a $500 PS3 with a $400 Xbox 360 or else you might as well compare the $250 Wii to them both."
You do realize this made absolutely no sense - socoolisme, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13You had to chat using a keyboard? lol
- punkrockscks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11""last gen graphics chip"
You're insane, or very poorly informed"
What makes the 360's GPU next gen is its unified shaders and efficient architecture. That is what the next gen of graphics cards will be using, in fact brand new directx 10 nVidia's 8800 uses it. The PS3's uses seperate vertex and texture shaders, which is "last gen". I'm not saying the PS3's GPU is bad or anything, but the 360 does have a slightly better GPU. - Kazaki, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15I was completely pissed to see Sony's mythical PS3 slapping around the 360, denouncing the Microsoft offering and alluding that it was performing blasphemy on all that was HD.
All gamers were essentially marked stupid for buying a 360 by Sony since 360 gamers sacrificed the pinnacle of "True HD Gaming".
The PS3 comes out and then what? About 50% of all HDTV's end up running the PS3 at 480p, a number not even considered anywhere near "True-HD"
It's the same thing that murdered my precious Dreamcast... both the Dreamcast and 360 had to fight the IDEA of a new Playstation and not the system itself. Only one had enough money to survive through that. - Jinno, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12upscaling - will be fixed in the next firmware update ~ And if the PSP is any show of how that'll go, we'll see that in about another half a year. Until then I guess its 480p for me and the others not willing to shell a billion dollars onto a TV.
mp3 playing within the games - so? ~ I personally don't use it anymore, but when I first got my 360 I loved it, and a lot of people still do.
unified online community - it has this ~ Not really. Its not a unified experience game to game. I can't talk to someone playing Resistance (only game worth playing, mind you) while I'm playing RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!
last gen graphics chip - completely ridiculous fanboy point ~ Not really. The PS3 isn't using a graphics chip that's advanced in the slightest. Its out there. *And I'd be able to build a PC with the same graphics card for cheaper. :/
tough to program for CPU - easier than the PS2 according to most developers ~ And yet they don't even tap the power of said CPU. :/
limited memory on said graphics chip - it has access to 512MB of memory, the only difference is 256MB of it is very fast 3.2GHz XDR memory ~ And yet we still get bottle necks in a system with 512MB of RAM /total/
controller that randomly goes nuts - if this happens, it's a hardware bug, not a game bug. ~ But will Sony address this and fix it for the gamers that are being screwed by this? Not likely.
* Yes that one was a fanboy point. - Jinno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Hmm you just have to invite him? You have to invite him while he's /on/ Resistance, though, right? And you want to know where I've seen gameplay like that? Half Life 2. Which, mind you, is coming to the 360 with all the new stuff like Portals and Episode 1&2, and /not/ the PS3. Sure its not 500 enemies, but when the hell are you as one man going to be taking on 500 enemy troops. Certainly not in a /realistic/ setting. Maybe in Halo.... one can hope.
As for your complaints about Wifi... My experiences with Wifi are bad, to say the least. Its erratic (much like the PS3 controller.) it works when IT wants to. My Wii isn't connected to Wifi because I can't get a good connection with a signal that's 1 room away. /sad/ Then again, my router is kinda old. Still no excuse. I prefer a solid state connection. One that I don't have to pay extra for. *glares at Wii.*
USB Keyboard? Right. So I'm supposed to set down my controller and get killed while typing a message telling my team to flank on the right side, when on the 360 I can either A. Just talk, or B. Press a button and talk. I can see how the keyboard is a much better strategy.
As far as your controller thing goes, as much as I didn't like the price of my play and charge kit (like $20. I think it should be a bit cheaper) I still feel its better to be able to swap out batteries as I see fit.I don't want to be in the middle of a game and have no options because I don't have another controller, and I can't find my USB cord. It's simple with the 360, so long as you can swap out batteries in a timely fashion. Not to mention the controller doesn't have random fits of epilepsy :/
- SpoBo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Exactly .. that stuff is enough to warrant it's first year of existence without any good games. After that good games will start popping up just like with the x360 and all will be well. The only thing that bothers me are the annoying people who buy PS3's for retail price and resell way too high. Sony should put a stop to this if possible.
It's actually a 10/100/1000 built-in Ethernet port I think :) And you forget one VERY important thing. And that's noise. The x360 is so badly manufactured that you can hear every rotation of the cooling. And first reports say that the PS is really silent. - yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It's a lot more than 5%, almost ALL of the older HDTVs didn't have 1080p, only 1080i. and even some sold today don't have 1080p, and since all of the TVs that only have 1080i get lowered to 480p then it's a lot more than 5%.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11yeah, i'd say that horrible technical errors and bad overal design are nit picky little things no one will notice... right...
- cornface, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hold the CTRL key.
Scroll your mouse wheel.
Computer magic! - TrancePhreak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You must be talking about a different PS3 than the one everyone else is. Currently Sony loses $300 on every PS3. That's like 30 games per system before they start making money back.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7You make some good points.
The advantage the PS3 has which has the most appeal to me is the homebrew.
They seem to be actually ~selling you a console~, to do with as you please, as opposed to the 360 where any delusions of ownership will be squashed with a quick firmware update.
(of course, it's still a bit pricey; I certainly won't be an early-adopter) - mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"there's no brick-laying class-action lawsuits being levied against the PS3 like there are against the Xbox 360...."
It's been out for, what, 5 days? That's kind of a stupid argument. - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9No, it's called ***** trying to stir ***** (i.e., trolling.) Maybe if these guys acted like adults, fewer pc users would find a need to troll Apple threads. And then we could all enjoy our stories in peace.
- distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You're making way too much sense, and obviously missed the fruity little hate-sony bandwagon. Prepare to get modded down.
Logic has no place here, only emotion. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+23Its a launch system!
Bloody hell, does he not remember what the 360 was like when it was released?
No one ever gets a launch system right nowadays.
There was a time. A better time.
Of NES, SNES, Sega Megadrive, pong. - Jinno, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I know that it benefits game developers. But Sony is marketing their machine as a BluRay player. I know it, the world knows it. The general public isn't going to care. I for one love the amount of storage space the disc has. But the fact that Sony's BluRay drive reads slow and bottlenecks I'm not utterly convinced that it was a necessary jump at this point in time. I think that MS's stance is better here. They're pushing the HDDVD peripheral this gen. If it wins the format wars it's highly likely to be the main drive in the next gen console. They also said that if BluRay wins the format wars, they'll release a peripheral to support that.
MS is being fair here, and not forcing something upon a consumer that isn't absolutely necessary. - arunforce, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Why not not-make an analogy about something so early in the race? Yeah.
- knodi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9RR6 Released on the xbox 360 launch. RR7 released with PS3 launch. Some how RR6 looks better for the most part. If Xbox 360 is xbox 1.5 then what is PS3?
PS3 supercomputer I think not. - JaytB, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9This threat is as pointless as your comments. How's that for an analogy.
- ninjasquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm sure there would be unbought PS3s languishing in stores right now if there were enough of them produced to supply more than the population of a small Siberian island.
- distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7About upscaling:
Sony Computer Entertainment America has acknowledged the upscaling problems we reported last week and is reportedly working on a fix for the problem.
GameDaily BIZ had the chance to speak with a SCEA representative, and the following statement was issued by the spokesperson:
"A small number of older High Definition television sets found in the United States only have 1080i inputs for HD signals. Those televisions will currently only play some PS3 titles at 480p resolution. PS3 games render images at either 720p or 1080p for High Definition, and you need 720p input on the TV to play select games that do not support 1080p. This is an issue on the side of the individual television sets, which do not accept 720p input, so when a game outputs an HD signal only at 720p, these select TVs have to display the game at 480p instead."
The representative gave no indication as to when the issue would be fixed, but did assure GameDaily BIZ that the problem would be fixed. I guess it's a case of it'll be fixed when it's fixed...
Source: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11/22/sony_to_fix_ps3_upscaling_issues/
"You are just making stuff up. It's already said that the PS3 does not have the hardware to upscale like the 360."
Whoever "said" that was just making stuff up. Source? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7all the bluetooth devices that I have owned always seem to spaz out randomly... or not work at all
- pcdoc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Umm.. can you point me to the second mystical HDMI port on my console that I don't see.
- AminoSC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I believe that the short holiday supply of PS3's represent a company strategy to hold back on a ***** system. The Super Wal-Mart near my house in Charlotte told me that they only received 20 systems. This is a HUGE market! They said that they would not get anymore in till march. Hopefully those systems will be fixed. at the store where I work we only received ONE. You can look at my previous posts to find out how that one performed.
- Sayshu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I don't see this as a failed launch at all, Sony did what they said, for the most part, and delivered what was intended. Sony is just being normal Sony.
It's just that you feel they would have done better, after seeing how well the 360 is doing in some things, and yeah they would have been accused of copying them.
Honestly if it was duplicate to the 360, I would like it more, as I think it would have the features I want.
The best thing about the PS3 is the Linux, that soon enough will entirely make the PS3 do, what most of us want it to do, however I don't think Sony will find they enjoy that result. - Whoeverxxx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I think Sony has a strategy going for blu-ray......I'm not sure if many of you remember the Sega CD but it was a add-on drive for one of Sega's systems that totally flopped, also keep in mind that the PS one's hardrive never really took off either. People just haven't dished out the cash for add-on drives for video game consoles in the past. Because of this, I can see where Sony is coming from by having a built in next gen drive in the PS3 but its a huge risk considering the cost and the future success of it becoming a standard format at this point in time. I'd say their marketing strategy by building in Blu-ray is sneaky but clever. Obviously people will be standing in long lines to dish out $600 for a PS3 or pay more if the quantities continue to be limited. I'd like to think that the quality of a good gaming system matters more than hype of just running out and buying something because its hard to find but so far its looking awfully grim in my opinion.
- Jinno, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"Yes that makes perfect sense. MS had a year of their product in the open to get feedback from customers like one big beta test. But Sony is not allowed equal time to work out the kinks. Hypocrisy for all!"
Seeing as I have a launch 360 that still works and has had NO problems whatsoever, I'm proud to say that MS didn't use their "beta test" as you call it on me. And Sony has had a year to refine, test, and do all that other stuff. Instead they've been conglomerating ***** that very few people /want/ and doing a piss poor job of it. Hardly anyone wants a BluRay Player. Only the core will care for that. Most Americans are content with their DVD players because few do little more than watch the movie on the DVD. Special features are there for the core but few actually watch them.
And if the 360 is any indication, you don't need an Hight Definition format to display a High Definition movie. :/ - Renton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5pwned
- Mr2001, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14I must be the only guy who hates voice chat. Seriously, I'd consider it a bonus to not have to pay for a headset I don't want (you're paying for it even if it's included in the box) *and* not have to hear a bunch of nine year olds screaming "BLUE TEAM IS ALL FAGS!" in my ear every time I enter a game.
- Oktober, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11This is a question of priorities, really
It's probably better to spend your time working on hardware, because you're stuck with that for the full five years, whereas software like Live can be updated whenever.
Look at it this way. The Sony online service is bound to get better, but Microsoft is stuck with 7 gig (not even the full 9) dvds until Xbox 720. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8BTW, for everyone saying I am a fanboy for the graphics processor claim.
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=8
Read that entire article, he analyzes more in depth than anyone else, everythign abour the two consoles. If you want to read about the PS3 GPU, go back one page. -
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