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- toekneebullard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+87I'd be so much more impressed if they were working on ways to make middle price range cards faster and more efficient. Anyone can expand...the real workers refine.
- Johnny1337h4x0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25The main problem is that the game programmers look at the current hardware, design the game for it and forget about all the other people who just can't afford to upgrade yearly. I mean the coders are getting lazier and the codes getting sloppier. Take a look at Serious Sam 2. I'm using a 6600gt, which is an OK mid-range card that i bought only half a year ago. Serious Sam runs extremely slow even on the lowest of the low settings. Before everyone starts to bitch, take a look at Half-Life 2. That game looks gorgeous. I ran that thing at pretty high settings and the thing ran without any hick-ups. I've heard that that game can be played smoothly on pretty old systems. THAT is how games should be made, not some sloppy coding that works only on current hardware.
- davidv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21See this is why I like consoles these days. You pay a reasonable upfront price and 3 years later developers are still making games that squeeze more and more juice out of the hardware, and you don't have to sell a liver to play the latest (insert popular title here)
- Jackolicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Great, they can string together 20 cards if they want. Doesn't mean it's useful to most consumers. I agree entirely with what you're saying. Make a $200 card perform w/o attaching it to another $200 card.
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18agreed. they really need to focus on their mid-range cards... i.e. the one's that account for 60% or more of their revenue. I've read that the high end cards account for less than 5% of total revenue.
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12650 Watts of power is what two of them take....
- Vimes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Maybe its more of a marketing thing. Most of us aren't going to go out and buy the thing, but it's got us all talking about it, doesn't it?
- xain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9HDCP?
- nuclearpenguins, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Flame nvidia all you want... when ATI learns about driver support. ;)
- BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8That's not a Dual Core card, lameinternet, that's a dual-GPU card. Dual Core would be two cores on one die.
- fleetskeet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Does anyone else feel like some developers are intentionally sandbagging perfomance to sell newer, higher performance cards? I think in some cases it may just be incompetence.
- airjrdn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'd say your percentage would be about right for sales, but not revenue. From what I've read, their profit margin is extremely high on the high end cards.
- nexus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well be glad at least some people in the industry feel your pain. I have talked to 2 ati guys who attend gaming conventions here in texas that have said they (i think they ment the company) could care less about benchmarks like this because a $500 or $1000 video card represents a very small ammount of sales.
- splitfyre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I still run off my 5900XT and it works just fine. Then again, I'm not gaming as much as I used to. Now if PC games could go beyond just being one of the following: a) first person shooter b) real time strategy c) simulation
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Reminds me the Voodoo 5 6000 w/ dual GPUs on it ... yeah those cards were HUGE
- DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not enough apparently.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Casual gamers "need not apply"."
Uh oh. Your manhood's been challenged. Better all go out and spend $100, to prove 'em wrong. Eh boys?
- (Brought to you by the NVidia marketting team) - MichaelDaley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is getting re-diculous. Instead of making absurd cards which cost more than my whole computer, why not focus on making cards that the would actually benefit gamers. I don't ever want to run more than 1280 x 1024 and I won't benefit from 200fps. Now I'll have to upgrade my motherboard to use nextgen cards because SLI can support resolutions that I don't even want? At least ATI is still making some AGP cards. This industry has a tendency to go in the wrong directions. And another thing: HDR makes it harder to see and the only volumetic smoke I care about is coming off of Eva Longoria's butt.
- baronvonrolo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It'd make sense, what's the point of making a card that costs almost double a standard system?? Surely there isn't that much of a market for the foot long bastard.
- toekneebullard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Vimes said "Maybe its more of a marketing thing. Most of us aren't going to go out and buy the thing, but it's got us all talking about it, doesn't it?"
Yeah, but I buy a midrange card by how well it runs, not by whether or not it's made by the company that has the biggest high end out. - ronintetsuro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I assumed that when I started seeing NVidia logos before the opening credits for the actual freakin developers.
The money's in the fix, not the cure. - Ghost_MH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, but if you get enough people talking about how your company makes the most powerful graphics card, then you have the less knowledgeable people thinking all your cards are better than the competition's.
The vast majority of people out there barely know a thing about innards of a computer...Especially those people working the isles of Circuit City and Best Buy recommending which graphics card parents should buy for their kids' PC. - roflcopterdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@thetadot
But they make awesome dates. - ArmchairAthlete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Those with any financial responsibility "need not apply"."
Fixed. Unless you're filthy rich heh. - LeFrenzy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3this is ridiculous. We want a videocard to get us ready for Unreal Tournament 2007. We don't want to re-create a virtual demonstration of the Big Bang. $1000 per SLI card, the ***** is your target audience? Mr. Fatal1ty?
- johnnybluejeans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sweeeeeet, $1000 for a few extra FPS -- pushing the FPS even further beyond what the human eye can detect! How I love bleeding edge tech that will depreciate in value by 900% over the next two years!
- evilhecubus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4exactly! this is a travishamockery! If I bought this card and wanted to watch "protected" HD content as soon as next year I'd have to drop another thousand bucks. Absolutely ridiculous that card makers haven't incorporated HDCP into vid cards yet.
- bristolz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This is the natural progression of technology. Costly at first and eventually a commodity. Without this evolution the state of the mid-range offerings will remain in stasis. Most of the market will ignore these high-end devices but the early-adopters and influential reviewers will not and, through them, the feedback-refinement cycle towards an appropriate consumer offering begins.
It seems disingenuous to me to complain about the cost of such technology as they are clearly not intended for the mass market but do serve as the first test bed for those features and capabilities that will find their way into the mass market offerings to come. I celebrate the approach much in the same way as I celebrate auto manufacturers using exotic racing platforms to discover safety and performance features that eventually make their way into the family sedan. - RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm so sick of this more-more-more mentality which is substituting for real innovation. More GHz, more threads, more execution units, more cores, more GPUs, all adding up to more heat and more power consumption. This mentality will only yield temporary band-aid solutions. Where are the real revolutionary breakthroughs in chip design? 15 years ago I thought we'd all be using optical chip computers and holographic storage by now.
Maybe I'm overreacting but it really pisses me off when I see crap like quad-SLI space heaters showcased at technology expos. It's wrong-headed! I'll chill now. - Hercules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Awesome! And next year the $250 card will equal its performance.... so I think I'll wait :)
- DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ThetaDot
Sure they are. They just wait up for their other friend "Time." He usually takes about 6 months. - pimpsallad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Reminds me of that one voodoo card, can't remeber what it was called though. I am sure someone will know what I am talking about
edit: Voodoo 5 6000
i like this edit funtion.. - tombomb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Impressive? yes. Usefull? no. I agree with everyone else that they should concentrate on making $200-$400 cards cheaper and faster. It's like those companies that release those million dollar cars and they are all fancy and fast. They are great to look at and fantasize about, but who could aford them?
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3read the article. it says EACH card is $1000.
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And 50 years ago we thought we'd all be driving flying cars by now.
But all we got are effin' Hummer H2's ... - ThetaDot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Cheaper" and "Faster" aren't very good friends.
- mouthster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Still can't play We Love Katamari on it.
- iakie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Err... 3dlabs is selling a $2000 graphic card which beats both nVidia and ATI.
http://3dlabs.com/products/product.asp?prod=293 - ThetaDot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is an entire market for graphic cards which are not meant for gaming. Call them absurd, but try rotating multi-million polygon scenes around. You'll see the usefulness they can bring then.
- bossm4n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm waiting to see who puts out the first graphics card with a dual core processor. Now that might be impressive. But, I'm with most of the others commenting that I would also like to see more effort put toward high performing mid-range cards.
- Buddhist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good lord. That is just ridiculous. I mean damn.
I still run a Sapphire x800PRO, and while the new x1800s look appetizing, everything's getting more powerful, but also very loud, when it comes to ATI. When it's nVidia, it tends to be more of keeping on par with ATI's releases, but charging sometimes as much as double or triple of what ATI is charging.
This card-quarreling should stop, and they should concern themselves with working on midrange cards a lot more. - BlindIrishman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No HDCP, so its usless in 6 months.
- BlindIrishman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You forgot about MMORPG's but you do have a point. There is a lack of unique games nowadays. However, I find taht because of how expensive it is to have the latest hardware is what keeps some games alive. That is why there are more people playing the hl1 cs instead of CS:source. Another example is Starsiege:Tribes. As old and unpopular it may be, there are atleast 100 dedicated players. Heck, the master servers have been dead for quite some time but people just keep going.
Besides, I don't see the point in dropping $300 upgrading right now anyway, no HDCP! I'd rather wait untill mid-range cards with HDCP come out before buying anything new. - cg0def, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah only those are actually professional and if that's the target audience then you might want to check irix out. You'd be surprised at how much disney and the likes pay for a single machine.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No screenshots? I want to see what difference having a $1000 graphics cards makes to any avalaible games... My guess is "not worth the extra $600"..
What really bugs me now is hardware companys have stopped being inovatave, and are now just trying to crap as many cores in each processor, and as many processors in each system as possible.. Meh
- Ben - fusioned, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anyone who gets one of these has too much time on their hands and needs to learn what financial responsibility is ;)
- stanley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'd spend $500 on a video card, but no more. That doesn't mean somebody else won't. If I were a millionair (which there are thousand and thousands of in North America) Then why the ***** not? Why the ***** not drop $10,000 on a computer every 2 of 3 years? Seroiusly. Stop looking at that end of the market. Sure, this card is kinda useless now. But the fact is, as time goes on, we are going to need more ram on cards and more power. Look at the prices of the cards that have dropped, I bought a Ge-Force FX 5200 for $150, and now its about $45. Prices drop, But why the ***** woudl the lower the price on their high end cards (which turn into mid range cards) when they have no new prodcuts? If you guys want more power in your video cards then THIS SHOULD EXCITE YOU. Everytime they come out with a new card, their older cards will drop in prices. Why? Becuase they have to for the market to excist. And the day that DDR2 and DDR3 ram prices drop, video card prices will also drop.
Why would they focus on making a mid range card, how is technology every going to advance and forge ahead if they are focusing on making ***** cards for people?
And for all you people complaining that they are making efforst to ADVANCE in technology and not caring about the peopel that can't afford the big cards. Does the 6200, 6600, 7200, 7600 cards not good enough for you? Cards they made for people that can't afford the $600 ones? - Johnny1337h4x0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2last time i checked pretty much all series of Nvidia cards are also AGP (don't know about ATI though). Non the less, I can not justify these kinds of prices
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Damn. I'm still using an integrated Intel i845, which came with my last two PC's ($470 and $180).
- iFindout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow! 1k for a main stream video card. What sane human would drop 1k on a video card?. I think that the playing field between ATI and Nvidia has moved to who has the most expensive video card. Ridiculous! But for that amount of money this video card better pump photo realistic graphix on the screen.
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