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Shooting for Realism: How Accurate are Video-Game Weapons?

popularmechanics.com — With a spate of new military shooter titles hitting the market, PM's resident geek gets the inside story on gaming's next-gen guns from top developers, who have to balance coolness with correctness for every M-16 they recreate.

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  • mattnyc99, on 03/25/2008, -7/+29“We could make it as anally realistic as possible. But we’re not trying to make a live simulator.” What happened to the best of both worlds?
    • tech42er, on 03/25/2008, -1/+25Hear that, Jack? They're NOT trying to make a live simulator!
    • jdaniel284, on 03/25/2008, -11/+41“I take these weapons, and look at what defines them, or what people think defines them,” Theiren explains. “For an Uzi, people think it fires lots of bullets, and it’s really inaccurate.” That, he knows, has nothing to do with reality—if anything, Uzis are considered some of the most reliable and accurate submachine guns around. But the 80s (and Miami Vice in particular) offered us the Uzi as a low-life villain’s weapon, spit-fire and out-of-control. “So I make it fire faster than it should. It’s about taking the personality of a weapon, and making it shine in the game,” Theiren says.

      Wow, that makes me NOT want to buy the game. Why would I care what a majority of TV-watching morons THINK a gun can do. I would rather the gun behave realistically in a game like R62. I think I may pass on this title after reading the interview.
      • louiedog, on 03/25/2008, -11/+26Or, you know, you could just try and have fun with the game.
        • 0biKwiet, on 03/25/2008, -1/+14Or buy one of the many, many other games that do the exact same thing. Shoot em ups have their place, but Rainbow Six used to be realistic. There's nothing special about it now, it's just another shoot em up that everyone thinks is "hardcore" and "realistic'. Call me when something new happens. Pseudo realism is the worst of both worlds.
        • moskaudancer, on 03/25/2008, -2/+4Well, for people who understand how the real-world weapons work, a certain level of realism in the game's weapons is part of the fun. It's a suspension of disbelief thing.
        • BedPost, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1*installs Raven Shield*

          Damnit Ding, you better not die on me you godly operative you.
        • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Raven Shield FTW!
        • Cockslap, on 03/26/2008, -0/+0The fun in games like rsv2 IS the realism. If I wanted to play an unrealistic deathmatch I would play CS
      • Myonosken, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Depends on the game. On COD that'd be ***** annoying- on stuff like Black less so.
    • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -1/+17I get ***** off all the time. I continually try to handle in-game weapons like real-life weapons and fail miserably.
    • ericrous, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1People don't make realistic games because realistic war games would be boring as *****. Even a combat-heavy bunch of Marines in a particularly nasty spot spend most of their time miserable and bored--with occasional outbreaks of fighting where you usually can't even see your enemy.

      Real-life guns jam and overheat. When is the last time you saw a videogame that made you change out barrels on your M60, or clean your gun regularly to keep the damn thing working?

      Real-life wounds hurt, bad. When you get shot, you don't just continue to function at 100% until all your hit points are gone. And med kits don't make your wounds just disappear.

      In short, real-life war sucks ass. Any game that came even close to accurately simulating it would be shunned like a computer in a nursing home.
      • Cockslap, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Try playing Americas Army. One of the better FPS games that was out a few years ago. Weapon jams were a very real part of the game and made it all the more intense.
  • NateDog, on 03/25/2008, -9/+83bah! I don't want my game weapons realistic. Give me flame throwers that can shoot 500 feet, gravity hammers that do more damage than any M-16 ever could, laser torpedoes that bust open sherman tanks!
    • Y3T1, on 03/25/2008, -6/+33Unreal FTW!!!
    • thatsmyaibo, on 03/25/2008, -4/+13I don't want games realistic either. Gran Turismo is such a good driving game but the cars handle too realistically. I want to be able to hit the wall full speed and keep on driving like nothing happened. If I wanted to really drive I would hop in my car.
      • TheBrain21, on 03/25/2008, -2/+7Well, imo, some games are better when they're realistic (i.e. FPS's), but there are others that shouldn't even have a second thought about it, like racing games. I've spun out too many times playing Forza to want that.
      • Chassit, on 03/25/2008, -4/+7So if you want to get into a firefight you fly over to Iraq?
        • commenter01, on 03/25/2008, -0/+5what's your point? "I want to be able to hit the wall full speed and keep on driving like nothing happened"
          i assume that if he wants to play a FPS, he would like to be able to get up from a headshot.
      • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -5/+1I take it that is your feeble attempt at humor.
      • pixelate, on 03/25/2008, -0/+7Has someone tried to do a full on simulator? I'm seriously asking... I was naive enough to think COD4 and R6V2 might be close. Anyone remember the Xbox game Black? (might not be a good example, but I remember them making a big deal about the gun models)

        There's a market for racing sims (GT) and more arcadey titles (Forza, PGR, etc). Would that not be true for guns considering how many people love their FPS's?

        This news about Uzis actually being very accurate is destroying my world.
        • inbred, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2Try something like Red Orchestra. It's WW2, though.
        • bCabulon, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Bah, Uzis fire from an open bolt. They are more accurate than the movies make them out to be, but it isn't like they are precision rifles. Of course all video game guns are less accurate than real life. It isn't like you can shoot within a couple inches at 100 yards in a game.
      • TimDigg, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Realistic racing games are the worst...give me burnout anyday of the week
      • ehal256, on 03/26/2008, -0/+0I wouldn't really classify GT as a sim, It's definitely not realistic enough.
        • volacide, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You don't realize that GT is all about the racing. GT isn't about satisfying your sadistic gaming needs of slamming into the walls. It's about being a good driver and being able to pull the fastest lap times out of efficient driving. When it comes to that, Gran Turismo is the closest you can get. It delivers the closest lap times to real life when given all the same variables.
    • gmprunner, on 03/25/2008, -1/+4M16A4 pwnes.
    • bagboyrebel, on 03/25/2008, -0/+4I don't think realistic is any better or worse than unrealistic, It just depends on how it's done.
    • ipushmycar, on 03/25/2008, -1/+5If you could hop into your Ferrari Enzo and street race with 7 other exotic high-class cars going 200 mph down the street, then I'd say you're quite lucky.

      For the rest of us who can't do that, games like Grant Turismo are the closest things we got. Anybody can play a game where the driving is like Cruisin USA, yet it takes a lot of practice to be good at a game like GT.
  • vondrak, on 03/25/2008, -2/+124The BFG is not realistic at all. For starters, they forgot the flashlight clip on the side.
  • Ytse, on 03/25/2008, -0/+81Actually, I thought it was kind of interesting. I didn't know that about Uzis. Kinda cool.
    • TheBEAST205, on 03/25/2008, -1/+5There isn't actually an Uzi in the game, but the sub-machine guns are actually pretty accurate (Mac 11 included).
      • cawpin, on 03/25/2008, -5/+1What game are you talking about? If it's COD4 then you sorely mistaken. There are Uzis in the game, as well as Mac11s.
        • Kappa00, on 03/25/2008, -0/+6R6V2
        • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I HATE how they call the MP9, the MP9. Its a Steyr TMP! Yayaya I know the design was bought and renamed the MP9, but that naming system always makes people think its an HK weapon and therefore better than the MP7 becuase its got a higher number.

          An why isn't there a half decent version of this weapon as an airsoft replica that doesn't break whilst cycling the bolt?
          • TheBEAST205, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1They actually can't call some weapons their actual names due to legal stuff, how Activision can and they can't is beyond me.
  • freakon, on 03/25/2008, -1/+56Video game weapons are completely different from real life. For one, real life machine guns have much less spread, and sniper rifles have much more. Besides, no human being can get shot in the chest and still fight, thats just fantasy or Hollywood.
    • tadhgisaledgend, on 03/25/2008, -12/+46Chuck Norris could.......
      • magictroll, on 03/25/2008, -4/+17Other than Chuck Norris
        • TheBrain21, on 03/25/2008, -1/+2What a silly question, magic. It's Chuck.
        • lfernandez91, on 03/25/2008, -1/+6Jack Bauer could.
          • dsmx, on 03/25/2008, -0/+10Jack Bauer only gets shot when he wants to be shot, he likes the pain.
      • dsmx, on 03/25/2008, -4/+7Lies. Bullets can't hit chuck norris he merely has to near them and they turn around and head back to who fired them.
        • crazygamer67688, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1or roundhouse kick them back...
          ya know, according to theory of relativity, chuck norris can roundhouse kick you, yesterday
      • Xfer00, on 03/25/2008, -4/+5You missed the key word; "human being."

        Chuck Norris isn't human, he's some sort of demigod with a unicorn ring.
      • bagboyrebel, on 03/25/2008, -3/+6why do people still think Chuck is so awesome. the jokes are old and we all know that Chuck is a douche.
        • spammishking, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Chuck Norris jokes are funny because he's a douche
      • SimianE, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0Actually, I think Hollywood and certain games are unrealistic in that a single shot will often kill a human being. In real life it's a lot more messy, and drawn out. How many action movies have some guy just showering bullets all over the place and all these bad guys just dieing instantly? It's not like that, there'd be moaning, groaning, staggering around etc. You can pull a man's intestines out of his stomach and he can still live...

        My what a cheery mood I'm in today.
    • lukemann, on 03/25/2008, -2/+26I've put a 30.06 into a deer's chest from 100 yards and watched it run 300 yards away. You'd be surprised how resilient creatures are. US soldiers are wearing body armor with ceramic "chicken" plates installed. The can take a hit from a 7.62x39 and continue fighting. Also a machine gun barrel heats up rapidly causing a decrease in accuracy. Sniper rifles are usually bolt action heavy barrel setups that are designed to stay cool and accurate.
      • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -23/+4Humans are pussies compared to just any wild animal. We spent all of our evolutionary points on that soggy bit of gray matter on top of our necks which you appear underutilizing.
        • herrshuster, on 03/25/2008, -1/+16*appear TO BE underutilizing.
          you forgot your verb
        • herrferret, on 04/03/2008, -2/+8Humans are pussies compared to just about any wild animal. We spent all of our evolutionary points on that soggy bit of gray matter on top of our necks, which you appear to be under utilizing.
          There, fixed it for you. What was that about gray matter?
        • Scira, on 03/25/2008, -1/+10Maybe some of us should respec?
        • darkmist, on 03/25/2008, -0/+11Gray matter and sniper rifle, or deer resilience.... I'm not re-rolling.
          • ehal256, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2What a rip-off, I want some better feats >:(
      • jtbell04, on 03/25/2008, -2/+2Yeah, I know. This one time, I was just camping out on some crates, waiting for a herd of caribou to pass by, and a big buck starts meleeing me, so I had to jump out of the way, pull out my AWP, and give him a clean headshot.

        Seriously though, hbar sniper rifles can't be accurate if you're running around or even out of breath. They're only as accurate as games portray them with a little bit of setup. Machine guns, however, if firing in bursts, can be as accurate as assault rifles.
    • cawpin, on 03/25/2008, -6/+2"For one, real life machine guns have much less spread, and sniper rifles have much more."

      You apparently haven't shot either.
      • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1LMGs have alot less spread than is represented in these games, especially in CQB. I don't know what he means by spread with sniper rifles, unless you pulling the trigger like a mad man on a PSG-1, G3SG1 or an SR-25 or any other semi full auto sniper rifle, your gonna have to cycle the bolt each time.
    • MrFisty, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Real sheep aren't quite as explosive in real life.

      Yet.
  • amanilaenvelope, on 03/25/2008, -0/+61when the hell are people are gonna learn to have all the information on one page
    • magictroll, on 03/25/2008, -0/+16They make less $$$ that way ... so we have to suffer...
    • CTK14A, on 03/25/2008, -0/+25When websites no longer get extra ad revenue from it.
    • mrelusive, on 03/25/2008, -0/+32Until someone makes the internet bigger.
      • gozilla09, on 03/25/2008, -0/+14It's not just some truck that you dump things on.
      • DarkDx, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3THe tubes, they are small!!!
    • Pulch, on 03/25/2008, -16/+4Oh no! You had to click a button to keep reading? Quick, somebody call 911, he's over worked. They should change the setup of digg too, so you don't have to click so much. Just have the most popular stories pop up, and then change after a min or so to the next. Or put a mirror of the whole internet on the front page.
      • ipewpewtoo, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Ugh, I had to click to see your buried reply! Call 911!
        • Pulch, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2Dugg.
          _______________________________________
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  • DoodleMaster, on 03/25/2008, -8/+110I for one think that the weapons are plenty accurate, because EVERYONE knows that you run faster with a knife, especially after you put your rocket launcher and 50 lbs of ammunition in your back pack. buried as lame
    • bagboyrebel, on 03/25/2008, -1/+5the article was about the weapons, not the whole game.
      • DoodleMaster, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I was referring to how the weapon defy the laws of physics in game i.e even though your still holding the 50lb rocket launcher in your backpack your character wills till run faster if it is holding a knife.
    • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I see doodle masters point and there are so many times that i wish I could melee in RSV2. Instead i throw a smoke grenade and that doesn't kill my assailant either.
      • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Here's a fun one; if you're behind them, throw a C4 at em, then run PAST them, and just when they realize that you're an enemy, blow that ***** up. Good clean fun!
    • qwertydvorak, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2i just enjoy bf2 and people who are INSTANTLY more accurate when they dive to the ground and roll...
    • Acolyte357, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Play AA if you want weight to matter.
  • AlienClown, on 03/25/2008, -3/+54I was under the impression that they were called games for a reason
  • NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/25/2008, -6/+22Holy crap, turn up the volume with a subwoofer on rainbow six vegas 1, I don't know how real the physics are, but I've been to several gun ranges and that game is the closest autio wise I've ever played. They really emulate the extraordinarily obnoxious loud popping thud well. It's real cool because it gives more feeling of consequence to using a firearm, which is almost impossible to do in a video game where we all unload infinite clips into public settings at will.

    I don't know what Halo 3 did to their gun sounds, but they are flat out pussy like, especially so when compared to RSV or GRAW. I could play Halo 3 at double the volume of RSV/GRAW without ***** off the roommates.
    • thatsmyaibo, on 03/25/2008, -1/+8Yeah, I have a 9mm Glock and for a small caliber it can really deafen someone. Movies and games portray guns like small popping noises when a day at the range can make your ears bleed.
      • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -0/+13What range do you go to cause I've never been to one that would allow you to shoot without ear and eye protection.
        • TheBEAST205, on 03/25/2008, -0/+4You think a 9mm is loud, try shooting a high power rifle. It'll make you deaf.

          And yes, shooting at an indoor range with out ear protection isn't a very great idea.
        • cawpin, on 03/25/2008, -0/+7Shooting at ANY range without hearing protection is a bad idea.
        • NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/25/2008, -0/+7range? Go to a rural area where firing a gun off isn't susceptible to 5000 laws.
        • thatsmyaibo, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I do wear ear and eye protection. But if you frequent a range you know there are times when you step into the firing area without the noise canceling ear protection or you take it off to talk to someone.
    • Picaroon, on 03/25/2008, -16/+2Dude, Halo 3 has some of the best gun sounds I've ever experienced in a game. At a distance it really sounds like distant gunfire at the range.

      The only thing is that, since you have shields and armor, bullets don't have the same effect that they have in a game like RSV. So obviously each bullet isn't going to have that same consequential feel.
      • renegadeafk, on 03/25/2008, -1/+11Halo 3 guns sound like ***** nerf guns
      • NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/25/2008, -1/+10I was hugely disappointed after turning on my 5.1 and firing the standard combat rifle in Halo 3, and feeling like I was shooting a bee bee gun.
      • Picaroon, on 03/25/2008, -2/+7I didn't say they were loud. In fact, I said that they aren't that loud because of the fact that a typical weapon simply isn't very strong against the character you are. Why would the weapons blast your eardrums if it takes 20 rounds to drop a man?

        But if you've ever shot real guns at an outdoor range you'll immediately notice how good the long distance gunfire is in Halo 3. That's a fact.
        • bagboyrebel, on 03/25/2008, -2/+2so the gun is quieter because your enemies wear armor?
      • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2If you have a copy of Halo 1, and the HD advance pack for your original Xbox, go and hook it up to that Surround system. Pick up the first Plasma rifle (the blue one) and shoot it. Then go and play Halo 3 on the Xbox 360 and try the same thing. What the hell happened eh? Even on Halo on the PC I have to turn down my bass cause it just so awesome. Even the assault rifle has a throaty roar in Halo 1 that is missing from Halo 3.

        Even the silenced submachine guns on RVS2 sound louder and more realistic than the dual popcorn makers in Halo 2 - 3.
        • NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Exactly! I guess I didn't mention that, I was really disappointed because I remember it being way better in the earlier versions
    • vibrokatana, on 03/25/2008, -0/+9I shot a 45 cal short without the earmuffs once, My ears were ringing for 8 hours or so till I went to bed.
      • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -2/+4Bah, try that ***** with a .357 or .44 magnum if you want ringing ears.
        • iMoth, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1try listening to the loudest thing on earth from 1mm away. woa! talk about loud!
      • cawpin, on 03/25/2008, -0/+4I'd like to know exactly what caliber you're talking about. There's no such thing as a "45 short".
        • vibrokatana, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I meant to add short barreled revolver but the comment system ***** you up.
        • databeast, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1actually, there is something you could call a .45 short.. take a look at the .45 GAP (Glock Auto Pistol) cartridge.. it is to .45 what .40S&W is to the 10mm
    • spidoman, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3Play the original Rainbow Six: Ghost Recon on PC, not only is it extremely realistic, the gunfire audio is perfection. Hardest but one of the most fun games ever.
      • TheBEAST205, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1I used to play Rainbow Six on PS1; it was a great game.
        • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1There is no Rainbow Six : Ghost Recon. They are two games. Rainbow Six, Rainbow Six 2 Rogue Spear, Rainbow Six 3 Raven Shield, Ghost Recon and Ghost Recon 2 along with expansions. The first Rainbow Six in imo was the best becuase it was something new that you had to learn how to play, however the weapons sounds didnt really sound too realistic until Rogue Spear and the first Ghost Recon is an aural experience.
      • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1WTF is Rainbow Six: Ghost Recon? There's Rainbow Six, and then there's Ghost Recon.
    • Darksoul, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1I can tell that most of you if not all of you are full of ***** there is no gun in a game that simulates the pop of a real gun going off I have yet to find a game that showed that realism. I love the vegas games but all they did in the second one is copy other sounds from other guns after growing up on marine bases all my life you get to understand what guns sound like and going to the range it makes a big difference. And if you think a .45 is loud without ear muffs try a .32 winchester rifle round I can grantee you none of you have ever heard a big ***** round like that fire off especially when your the one firing it now think of how bad it was for people in the old west firing these rifles off. But at the sametime once you keep going and listing you get use to it and it doesn't bug you as much do you still need the ear muffs yes of course.
      • NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2Well no kidding, there is also no practical sound system I know of that can dynamically respond violently enough to model a gun assuming the game had true gun like audio output. If there is a system like that I don't want it so cops don't show up to my house and I don't go deaf. Take the comments in context. It's like talking about how real a racing video game is, even the best fall flat to real racing by a factor of a billion.
      • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1By accurate sounds people are saying the gun doesn't moo it sounds as close as possible as how the weapon should sound. There is a distinct difference between an ak37 and an m16 fired at any range. Good games differentiate this sound, bad games don't.
      • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1Wow, you're cool...
  • paintpro, on 03/25/2008, -0/+12He didn't say they were trying to make it real. He said they were trying to make it fit our image of reality. I say whatever, both COD4 and RSV2 are sweet games.
  • RoyaleCheese, on 03/25/2008, -1/+9I'm fine with the guns, I would like more focus on real world elements and physics, like accurate spider-glass or splintered wood.
  • SmellyFingers, on 03/25/2008, -1/+11I can't really kill someone in a game...
  • Masticity, on 03/25/2008, -26/+4Thats why they're video games. So fat virgins who wish they could be me can sit behind a TV all day and slay bodies. They dont need to know that the 50cal sniper rifle they're carrying around weighs 80 lbs, or that theres no ***** way you can run like barry sanders when your clad in armor and weapons. Its a video game, accept it cause no one will ever be able to recreate how awesome I am.
    • Zarokima, on 03/25/2008, -2/+15If you're so awesome, why are you on Digg?
      • Masticity, on 03/25/2008, -8/+1Because Digg called me in for some awesomeness assistance. Duh idiot.
    • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -0/+680lbs? Try 31 lbs for the semi-automatic and as little as 20 lbs for the bolt action.
      • Masticity, on 03/26/2008, -4/+0Yeah, you're not accounting for essential gear in relation to the rifle. It also depends on the model, and shooter preference. But we can play technicalities all damn day.
    • shinythingy, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2MallNinja?
  • soundman7718, on 03/25/2008, -1/+57I had a U.S. Army recruiter contact me after successfully passing the live version of America's Army at a local auto show...he wanted to know how I was so good with a gun. Thanks counterstrike...???
    • ahuxley, on 03/25/2008, -1/+6Most of the US games come out of a cold war mind set.
      I know a few fps games from the mid/late 90's that got rolled up into huge DoD projects as troop sims.
    • S1ngular1ty1, on 03/26/2008, -6/+5If you equate playing a game with actually shooting a gun you are a moron.
      • NOFXY, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5agreed, recruiters would recruit your grandma if they were allowed.
    • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Yeah, same here, except they were trying to recruit some of us airsoft players until they were banned from the premises.
    • ericrous, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5Army recruiters are always impressed by your skills when they're trying to recruit you, dumbass!
      • AzMegladon, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2lol, he thought he was special i guess! you can take a ***** on the carpet and a recruiter would give u praise.
  • spect3r, on 03/25/2008, -9/+59Imagine how frustrating a game would be if:
    - no saves allowed
    - 1 or 2 bullett kills
    - no health packs, no armour packs
    - bleeding to death is 99% certain
    - once your dead, game over

    :(
    • Dantetheinferno, on 03/25/2008, -2/+23You seem to have never played GoW on hardest difficulty, or CoD4. It's frustrating, but getting through it all is worth it.
      • BedPost, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3I think you're mistaking GoW for Operation Flashpoint.
        • annihilator675, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Actually, you get one savepoint in Operation Flashpoint. But its still a ridiculously hard game. 1-2 Hit kill is brutal when its from an officer from across the map after you spend an hour on a mission. : (
        • Pyrogen, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5Operation Flashpoint:

          1 hour to bring your squad to the village.
          15 minutes to recon the village.
          3 seconds to shout "TANK! TANK! *****!"
    • prgmctan, on 03/25/2008, -9/+3lol wat r bulletts?
    • jdaniel284, on 03/25/2008, -2/+12That actually sounds like an interesting concept.
      • Firehed, on 03/25/2008, -0/+32You're currently a beta tester, believe it or not.
    • grumbel, on 03/25/2008, -0/+10That sounds almost like Operation Flashpoint and that is by far the best game I have played in the last decade.
    • necromancer, on 03/25/2008, -1/+12CoD4 on hardcore comes pretty close to that...
      • pixelate, on 03/25/2008, -4/+2Except he forgot to add to his list, "no health regeneration if you hide out for a few seconds".
    • Parkinsons, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3and once in a while you will have a heart attack, stroke, or roll an ankle.
    • Katnap, on 03/26/2008, -1/+3You've just describe counter strike....
      • lolwell, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1LOL NOOOB Counterstrike?! here let me go get on and snipe someone with my shotgum rofl rofl... There is no bleed outs either
    • hinmanj, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield is my all time favorite FPS. Your health is just a bubble. If you get shot, it usually either kills you instantly or the bubble goes to half full and you start limping therefore walking slower. Definitely no health packs or anything, and once you die you wait for the round to end (team deathmatch round based). Even though you die pretty much instantly and it's mostly reflex, it's still easy to be the guy who goes 20-2 on a server. Damn that game was great.
    • BuckyDent, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1i dont know, i complain about how hard it is to kill people in CoD4 hardcore, that game sounds kinda sick, other than the one life bit.
    • MeinBereich, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2What? You've never heard of Operation Flashpoint or Armed Assault?
  • rowlodge, on 03/25/2008, -1/+10realistic is feeling the pain of getting shot by a real bullet.
  • justin82592, on 03/25/2008, -2/+1are we talking call of duty weapons or unreal tournament?
  • Slackdragon, on 03/25/2008, -0/+42Wait, hold on a second... these aren't hyper-realistic murder simulators!? I better get Jack Thompson on the phone.
  • Dantetheinferno, on 03/25/2008, -0/+60Barely. Sniper rifles aren't 1 hit kills on CoD4, even the Barret? A barret would tear a hole the size of your fist if it hit someone.
    • Chassit, on 03/25/2008, -1/+34A barrett will rip you apart, literally.
      • grimward, on 03/25/2008, -10/+5I read this as "Barrett will rip you apart" :S (FF7 anyone?)
      • iMoth, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3a barrett will make you live no longer
    • sentinel106, on 03/25/2008, -0/+23Quoting Mark Bowden's Black Hawk Down, "A .50 caliber bullet can tear a grapefruit sized hole in a brick wall"

      Yeah that would ***** hurt.
    • Hetman, on 03/25/2008, -1/+12I agree Sniper rifles should kill you in 1 hit. However in real life you have to adjust your site for wind and distance. That would be kind of difficult and boring if done in COD4.
      • larthallor, on 03/25/2008, -3/+4Not at the ranges in most of the COD4 maps. For a Barrett, those maps could be fought purely battlesight.
        • cawpin, on 03/25/2008, -1/+6Snipers adjust to every shot, regardless of distance. They are threading a needle, not shooting a free throw.
      • snyperr2s, on 03/25/2008, -1/+5Thats in one of the CoD4 campaign missions,in-fact, you have to counter the rotation of the earth, i love it, but having to adjust on multiplayer would be a bitch given that people actively hunt for snipers and the fact that you're consistently being shot at doesn't help one bit.
        • S1ngular1ty1, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4I hate FPS games and how they treat snipers. Snipers are always far to easy to spot.
        • yacks, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4If you are constantly getting shot, then you must not be a very good sniper..
      • kevptim, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Actually having to adjust the gun would be a great feature, provided the interface was good. The low damage nerf of the weapon can be removed to balance things out. Weird how reality is the perfect balancing trick.
    • Gryffydd, on 03/25/2008, -0/+14Try playing Hardcore then. That's the only way I play, and the Sniper rifles, the G3, the M14, the Desert Eagle, and the shotguns are all one-shot kills.
      • Spuy767, on 03/25/2008, -9/+2Desert eagle is garbage. More of a way of compensating for an undersized penis than a gun worth using in combat. Terribly inaccurate. It's like i used to tell my friend, one shot that hits with a .22 is worth more than ten shots that miss with a .50. Well, I suppose you could scare them off.
        • Gryffydd, on 03/25/2008, -0/+6Are you talking about in real life or in COD4? Because in Hardcore COD4 the Desert Eagle is freaking awesome. In real life it's a bit big, but it's certainly not inaccurate: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-133527167.html
          • MadOgre, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4In real life they are one shot kills to. And they are quite accurate. The only downside is sensitivity to ammo... and that fact that its a big heavy bitch. Find the right ammo, they are reliable. Use the ammo the gun doesn't like and its unreliable. That's the way it is.
          • Spuy767, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Have you ever shot one? Cause I have. Extensively.
        • Spuy767, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1IRL it's garbage. Heavy. Too much recoil. Not to mention that you have to dodge the spent casings as thy fly straight back instead of favoring one side.
        • sentinel106, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1You must be mistaken. The Israeli Military Industries Desert Eagle fires .50 Caliber Action Express rounds. Essentially these bullets are the same width (caliber) as the bullets fired from an M2 machinegun or Barret sniper rifle. The Desert Eagle's rounds are shorter though, so they can fit inside of a handgun. Being .50 cal, these bullets would literally tear your limbs off. Do I even need to mention that the Desert Eagle has a rifle-style rotating bolt feed system because it's too big for handgun style blowback?
          • S1ngular1ty1, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1There is a considerable size difference between a pistol .50 cal round and a rifle .50 cal round. The rifle casing is nearly 5 times larger than the pistol casing so the rifle round is FAR more powerful.
      • BuckyDent, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1its all about the range, anythings a one hit to the head at point blank in hardcore, most guns one hit to chest.
    • S1ngular1ty1, on 03/26/2008, -2/+8A .50 cal will leave a slightly larger hole in you than the size of your fist. Try the size of a watermelon on the small side.
    • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3A .50 cal can pass an inch away from you and still f*ck you up. A friend in the military said the .50 cal ontop of his hummer is even worst and you can take down targets just by aiming near them. Which is why when they do crowd control its important not to shoot anywhere near people and more toward the sky. Something about limbs getting torn off etc etc.
      • SpartanComplex, on 03/26/2008, -0/+0This sounds like something Mythbusters should test.
  • Mrdudeperson, on 03/25/2008, -3/+1Intriguing
  • Zlorp, on 03/25/2008, -13/+21to this day no weapons in any game feel as good as the ones in Counter Strike.
    • 223Sniper, on 03/25/2008, -5/+8Yea nothin like having the ejection port and bolt carry assist on the wrong side. Getting hit in the face with hot brass is SWEET!
      • Zlorp, on 03/25/2008, -3/+8im talking about the actual feel of the way the weapons fire.
        • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Yeah, because YOU know...
        • 223Sniper, on 03/26/2008, -0/+0So you know how it is to fire a weapon in combat? what branch?
    • inbred, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4I have to agree. Whether or not they're realistic, I really like how the guns handle in CS. Well, the guns I use, anyways.
    • ipewpewtoo, on 03/26/2008, -3/+1I LOVE CSS
    • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -2/+2***** CS.
  • AngryVoklav, on 03/25/2008, -0/+12how realistic are the guns of WWII? Glad you asked:
    http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/f/the-guns-of-world- ...
    • Phil1ip123, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4LOL @ the guys comment about firing the MG42 "if firing the BAR was like being punched than firing the MG42 is like being raped, it was awesome."
  • UtahApocalyse, on 03/25/2008, -3/+1Ask Jack Thompson.
  • Hetman, on 03/25/2008, -6/+4I hate when I get online on COD4. And their is some asshole who is like I have shot this gun before it acts exactly like it should in RL etc. Its like damn dewd im here to play a game not listen to your asanine stories that are probably not even true.
    • SQLserver, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1Now we are abbreviating Real Life?
      • yacks, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1l. j. a. e.
        ^Lets just abbreviate Everything
  • aserer511, on 03/25/2008, -10/+5useless thread- any system in which recoil has to quantified and bound by an algorithm is inherently flawed
    • cyberwiz01, on 03/25/2008, -1/+15Yeah, too bad the laws of physics aren't, like mathematical or something.
      • aserer511, on 03/25/2008, -7/+1you think recoil could be tied to an equation?
        • TekTrixter, on 03/25/2008, -0/+10Yes, recoil can be described mathematically. How do you think guns are designed to reduce recoil?

          "The recoil of a firearm, both large and small, is a function of the law conservation of momentum and can be stated mathematically as mf·vf = mp·vp from Newton's third law. The equation describes the recoil of a firearm and the user or gun-mount system in its entirety" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil
        • bagboyrebel, on 03/25/2008, -0/+4umm...yeah. It might be a complex equation but it can definitely be calculated i you know all the factors.
  • ConquistadorFor, on 03/25/2008, -7/+3CoD4 got realistic ones
    I thought GoW was ok
    hmm what else ya Bioshack was amazing..
    • HakonD, on 03/25/2008, -0/+0I agree. The guns in Bioshock werent all that realistic (I guess), but the feel was great, in my opinion.
    • lolwell, on 03/26/2008, -1/+0Great game, completlly overratted.
    • StolenLamp, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1You thought Gears was Realistic? GTFO.
  • faceinthehole, on 03/25/2008, -2/+3Swords would be about the same.
    • Masticity, on 03/25/2008, -2/+1ok yeah, its official. you're lame.
  • Pillage, on 03/25/2008, -1/+8No game beats the chatter of an AK-47 in COD 4.
    • gozilla09, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Same chatter of the MG40 in COD2. Check it out.
    • sovietninja, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I prefer the Ak-47 in Goldeneye lol. Old skool for the win!
    • BuckyDent, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1w/ a silencer... oh...
    • dominikkom, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1To each his own but to me it personally sounds like a pea shooter.
      Custom sounds ftw
  • nicksawick1, on 03/25/2008, -7/+1BFG FTW!!!!
  • woofers07, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3I can now tell what gun is being in a movie (like the MP5s on The Kingdom) based on a few years of rainbow six and CoD, and I've never seen any sort of assault rifle in real life. Don't know if that's good or bad. Probably bad.
    • whisperedlie, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1were there any MP5's in that movie? i only saw it once in the theater, so my memory is fuzzy. however, i remember them using G3s and a few different AK47/74 variants, as well as an assortment of handguns.
    • kevptim, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Did you see how Jamie Foxx fired a G3 on full auto from the hip and still consistently hit a speeding car? Or how one terrorist shot an RPG-7 from a balcony without being blown off when the backblast hit the wall behind him?
      Such a shame, other than that the movie was pretty realistic weapons wise, as far as movies go.
  • orion846, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2i don't see any mention of the rootie tootie aim and shootie
  • bjswick, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1It's a nice to have for me. I only use a few weapons in a game anyways. For me they just need to look close.
  • cventura, on 03/25/2008, -2/+2Big ***** Gun
    if you ask...
  • Syphon8, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3A weapon should never be more realistic than GoW chainsaw rifles.
  • nixfu, on 03/25/2008, -0/+5DOD for the win....the reason it was so fun was the accuracy and most guns take 1-2 shots to kill
  • zeeohsix, on 03/25/2008, -0/+6Battlefield 2 mod Project Reality is "the mother of all realism mods".
    too real=no fun=no sales
    i used to like earlier Clancy games but now its more fps with Vegas.
    realistic games would emphasize teamwork but how often do you see that?
    you got guys who think they can do their own thing and the next thing you know your "team" of 20 snipers, since everyone wants to be a sniper, are getting slaughter by a bunch of bunny hoppers
    • kevptim, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2This is why good tactical shooters have limits on sniper kits. Every balance problem with realistic shooters can be solved by considering, "What is the diasadvantage of this weapon/playstyle in real life?" Snipers can be taken out by mortars, countersnipers, squad sized riflemen and armored vehicles quite easily. If a game reflects that, the rock-scissor-paper gets more depth requiring more thinking, more adrenaline, more sense of accomplishment and more fun.
    • ed3r, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Project Reality is alot of fun. If you get a decent server, you get squads working together to get things done. Bunny hopping is impossible due to stamina, and the sniper kit is limited, 1 for every 9 players I believe.
      • neftaly, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1It's 0 for 10 players, 1 for 20, 2 for 40 players (or along those lines).
  • S4MF1SHER, on 03/25/2008, -0/+5I want sharks with frickin laser beams!
  • daxsymbiont, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2None at all.

    Which by a strange coincidence it was also the amount of idea Arthur Dent had that his friend Ford Perfect was from somewhere in the vicinity of Beetlejuise and not from Guildford after all.
  • SovereignZ, on 03/25/2008, -1/+1The most realistic gaming as far as guns are considered was COD 1 and 2. The trick is you have to put it on the hardest difficulty, remove cross hairs, and all other HUD items, and only use single shot weapons, no automatics (automatic weapons were not that common in WWII). To tell you the truth, its the most fun FPS I've ever played. You die in one or two shots, you actually have to aim down the rifle sights to get a shot off, and if you don't wait for machine gunners to stop firing while waiting in cover your dead.
  • simon275, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2If you want realistic gun play go and play Armed Assault and good luck hitting anything at over 20 yards while not in prone.
  • ed3r, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Sigh for talking only about the big multi-platform games. No ArmA? No BF2 - Project Reality?
  • Darksoul, on 03/26/2008, -4/+6This has always been a touchy issue with me people sit there and hand me the crap that you cant have realistic guns in a fun game this is the biggest ***** I have ever heard we can have the best of both worlds I am so sick of this they did the same ***** in battlefield 2 all the other guns where fine but they gimped the sniper rifle oh we can't have one shot one kill it wouldn't be fair yet all the morons that ran around jumping in the air with perfect accuracy and power where fair..... they continue to do that with every fps they gimp the god dam sniper rifles and it ticks me off people sit there and bitch at us snipers that oh you don't need one shot one kill yet if we took off their automatic fire they would be the first to bitch.

    Don't get me wrong I can play all classes but my favorite is being a sniper and not everybody can be a sniper in a game it takes skill. And the only argument morons can say to is if they made guns and sniper weapons more realistic everybody would want to be a sniper in game yeah I call ***** on that one as they already do that most of them can't kill ***** and don't have the skill or the want to sit and wait for one kill at a time most people want to run around spray firing and bunny hopping. We can still have weapon realism and still have in a game. Games at one point had this the original counter strike had this now we have people that can take 5 shots to the body with a sniper rifle and a shotgun and still run around you and spray fire you to do death. Games use to mean something now all we have are people with full body armor running around with full automatic weapons that have no skill in aiming or strategy sorry but I hunger for the good old days of skill and respect in gaming now if you are a sniper in game you get yelled at called a nooblet or a sniping whore and kicked or banned out of servers yet I am the one with a high kill count and small death count and I am the noob go figure......

    WE CAN HAVE REALISM IN GUNS AND HAVE FUN PLAYING AT THE SAME TIME.

    If game makers realized this they would find a perfect balance if the people who want strict only arcade shooters let them have it but give us people what we want as well. Rant over.
    • Zaeboes, on 03/26/2008, -3/+0Calm down.
    • S1ngular1ty1, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1If you actually had to do what it takes to be a sniper in a game you would suck. You can't call aiming a crosshair with a mouse skill. It takes much more than that to be good with a rifle. I bet you have never even shot a real rifle before.
      • Darksoul, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1First off let me say if you had payed attention you would of noticed the hole topic I posted on how I play mostly as sniper that has no crosshair in game other then in your scope so you have no point. And secondly I am talking about bullet penetration why would I want to do everything a sniper does in real life in a game its not possible in game "yet". And this is where you get truly ignorant and show your true colors I have shot far more then you ever will kid I will list .32 winchester rifle, .50, .233. and for pistols I have fired .45's .38's and .32's and of course .9mm and I am deadly accurate with a rifle especially a .32 winchester rifle if you knew anything about shooting you would know that a .32 winchester is a big ***** rifle and it takes a good amount of know how to fire one next time before you open your mouth know what your talking about. Lemme guess your one of the people I am talking about the auto firing whores with no skill that bunny hop and spray fire nvm don't awsner I already know what your going to say.

        Get over yourself.
        • S1ngular1ty1, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1How is shooting without a crosshair in a game even remotely related to shooting a real gun? I expect such a comment from a kid like you with no experience with real guns. I don't need to feed my e-member by stating how many guns I've fired. I most likely OWN more guns than you but am not going to list them here.

          To accurately shoot a real rifle, you have to take into account your breathing, wind magnitude, wind direction, humidity, temperature, distance from target, angle to target, height of target, your target's motion, and your bullet's trajectory.

          In a game you put your mouse over a target (or possibly slightly above on "advanced" games) and click a mouse button. That is real skill there.
    • nixfu, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5CAMPER!!!
    • yacks, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Freakin' Bunny Hoppers...
  • kevptim, on 03/26/2008, -0/+7It is a shame that videogame developers have decided to enforce the myths rather than busting them. I, for one, like a little bit of fact in my entertainment. Movie inaccuracy lists are popular here on Digg, so why not game inaccuracy lists? Because they are too common. Ghost Recon (original), Rainbow 6 (up to Athena Sword), the SWAT series, and Operation Flashpoint were all very popular and heavily awarded games even though they pursued realism as much as possible. The Project Reality mod for Battlefield 2 is by far the most popular BF2 mod even though it tries to be realistic. There is a big market for realistic FPS because of the tactical thinking, teamwork and adrenaline these kinds of games provide and I just hope that developers will come to see this.
    Upcoming realistic tactical shooters on my radar at the moment are Codemasters' Operation Flashpoint 2 and Blackfoot Entertainment's Ground Branch. I can only hope they deliver.
  • mGARANDEUR1, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3The reason why the guns do different damage is that they need to be scaled to make the gameplay fair.
  • richiestang78, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Com,ing from someone who has shoot a fair share of guns, both large and small caliber Ill say the look and sound of them is pretty dead on everything else is completely unrealistic.
  • Pinmonkey555, on 03/26/2008, -0/+7I always trusted the Rainbow games for realism when it came to weapons, but when they made the L85A2 in Vegas 2 sound exactly like an AK-47 and the Type-05 rice spitter like the MP-5 a tear rolled down my cheek.
  • antdude, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3What about game mods that try to be realistic? I think Project Reality for Battlefield 2 is one.
  • Zieber, on 03/26/2008, -1/+0I think that realism is good in games, but- to much makes it lame. the game would be to hard for instance: In any game one, in good shape or even probably no the best shape, could say,

    "if some asshole was shooting at me in real life i would be running faster than that guy does in COD4. i dont care how much gear i was wearing."

    but then again in reality more than 95%(just to be safe) of gamers in the real world, haven't been shot at while wearing 80lbs of gear and tried to run.
    the developers haven't either so give it a break. every weapon has a pattern. period. every gun in every game ever made. they all have a pattern. they are all programed. i am willing to bet that anyone, and definately any gamer, that has gone to a fire fight willingly, for fun, hadn't been to a fire fight before. Nobody goes to face death willingly for fun. military gamers operate on orders so yeah they dont count. if they get into a fire fight its not by choice.

    anyway,
    realism is good but only so much realism is fun keep games fast paced not slow moving like the first RSV(it was fun tho).
  • tacotruck08, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Dugg for America's Army!!
  • URnotheonly1, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Arma
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