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Shadowrun - The Review

2old2play.com — Part Counterstrike and part WoW, Shadowrun offers up a refreshing and unique type of game play.

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  • NoGame22, on 10/11/2007, -21/+12Great review man. You couldn't have been more on the money with the way this game plays and feels.
    • samadam, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5sorry:

      no duggmirror, but coral cache got it:
      http://www.2old2play.com.nyud.net:8080/News/Shadowrun___The_Review
    • samadam, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15"Equip your character with a katana and wired reflexes, and he’ll be able to deflect incoming bullets."

      that has to be the most badass thing i have heard all day.
    • L4WL3RS34L, on 10/11/2007, -4/+40He forgot to mention you need Windows Vista to play the PC version.
    • bmbommarito, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Yea, but Wired Reflexes also kills your charisma as you get higher levels of them since your body constantly twitches as if drugged out on speed. That was always a big tradeoff.
    • MoeB, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Here are some other reviews:
      http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/shadowrun/index.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topten&tag=topten;all;title;0
      http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/760/760844.html
    • arcooke, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22"Great review man. You couldn't have been more on the money with the way this game plays and feels."

      Article posted 20 hours ago. Rave review of the article.. also conveniently posted 20 hours ago. I just looked at his digging history.. 90% of his Diggs are from stories on 2old2play. Sad.
    • TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12*ROLLS*

      I only got 3 successes. So I will only moderately like this game.
    • ilyag, on 10/11/2007, -11/+17Shadowrun is one of the worst-reviewed games on the Xbox 360. According to MetaCritic, is is currently Xbox 360 game #117 when sorted by combined ratings, somewhere between Star Trek: Legacy and Earth Defense Force 2017

      GameSpot:
      "This multiplayer-only shooter does absolutely nothing with the Shadowrun name, and its unique strengths are offset by a lack of variety."

      Computer and Video Games:
      "The biggest disappointment in this otherwise fairly enjoyable shooter is the lack of content once you've finally grasped the formula. There are only nine similar-looking maps to choose from, with more expected down the line via downloadable content."

      Games Radar:
      "The innovation and surprise goes no further than the dwarves, trolls and magic. As much fun as those elements add to the shooter genre, they're simply not enough to compensate for the absence of everything else."

      Official Xbox Magazine UK:
      "In terms of graphics, in terms of variety, in terms of accessibility, it’s a failure on both 360 and PC. Overall, we’re coming down on the side of foolhardy over brave."
    • wtfersk8s, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4if ur still not sold check out http://shadowrunforums.com for a bunch of pics/vids
    • thepaulm, on 10/11/2007, -8/+8What a ***** review. How is this like WOW? I mean, it might be a great game, but why did they say it was part WOW? Just because a lot of people play WOW. And what platform is this for? PC, PS3, XBOX, all? None?

      Wtf - crappy ass site.

      (sorry, I just felt like bitching. I'm sure I'm buried and you had to go to the trouble to uncover this comment to read it. Sorry to disappoint)
    • GuyNamedNate, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6@ iyaq

      Yes it's gotten some pretty bad reviews which is really hard for me to understand. I've been playing the game non-stop since I got it on launch day and I have to say it is right up there with Gears of War in terms of how much fun I have playing it online.

      It's true that it is no where near GoW in terms of graphics, polish, and ease of play. But once you get the hang of the game it is extremely addicting and there seems to be an endless amount of ways to play the game (each race plays very differently, and there are so many combinations of magic/techs/weapons to use that it's really like having a bunch of different games in one all pitted against each other online).

      I'd give it a 9/10 if people cared about my opinion :)
    • ilyag, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6GuyNamedNate:

      So if you say this game deserves 9/10, despite it being "nowhere near" numerous things offered by Gears of War, what would you give Gears of War? 15/10?

      I have not played Shadowrun, and I don't know if I'll ever have the chance to, but I will say this: it is very RARE to find a multiplayer game that is boring. The fact that you're playing against human opponents makes things exciting and very entertaining, especially if you're all trying to kill each other in a fast-paced setting. But if a game manages to offer that exact level of fun and entertainment despite of being a veritable disaster on all other fronts, you are doing a great disservice to your fellow gamers by glossing over all of its obvious shortcomings.
    • estvir, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Reviews aren't the end all especially when they're by non-gamers.

      No real SP ? Yes, it's a loss but if you read on forums (Start by going to the Shadowrun thread on Penny-Arcade) you'll see that there are a lot of people who love this game for what it is.

      These reviewers are mostly just trying to determine "Hmm, does it have pretty graphics and will it sell millions of copies ?" and it fails to address what most gamers like, especially gamers who enjoy a good MP game.

      Also, even if it had received amazing reviews it'd still be better to rent it first and anyone who buys games simply based upon reviews is a moron: "Here, let me have my opinion formed for me and told exactly what I do/do not like, blah blah."
  • edrift101, on 10/11/2007, -7/+33If you love twitch FPS games - you will love this game. However, it's not a true Shadowrun game.
    • eezzzz, on 10/11/2007, -7/+38What if you don't love auto aim and over-sized hit boxes..?
    • StingerMS, on 10/11/2007, -4/+50Then you should stop playing Halo 2.
    • catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -13/+14The PC version has intentionally gimped aiming to make it "fair" for console gamers. What a joke.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_%282007_video_game%29#Criticism


    • sxtxixtxcxh, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8@catalysis - not true: http://digg.com/gaming_news/Controller_Balancing_Console_vs_PC_Gaming_2
    • Aoki3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6There's no such thing as twitch gameplay on a console FPS... You can't twitch without a mouse.
    • Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Did they switch it back last minute? Last article I read was from April that said the PC version still had gimped aiming, it's what made me cancel my pre-order.
    • echonull, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4The actual article you meant to link to: http://shadowrun.com/backstage/controller_balancing.htm

      In a nutshell, the PC gets a massive accuracy penalty for fast-twitch mouse movements -- much as many games tend to reduce your accuracy if you're moving and increase it if you're still or prone, Shadowrun will reduce your accuracy for moving AND for turning quickly, and you won't be able to snap 180 degrees and fire with perfect accuracy.

      Personally, I'm not entirely convinced this is a bad idea. But then again, I haven't played either version, and as such have no first-person basis for comparison.
    • grumbel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1The core idea at least sounds pretty good, it always annoyed me that turning around was basically just limited by your mouse dpi, not by game mechanics as pretty much every other aspect of a game (i.e. you can't increase your walk sensitivity and run 10x faster, but you can do exactly that with turning). How good the actual implementation is is of course a different question.
    • Exodin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Consoles do not have twitch shooters, period. You've got this lovely thing called sticky aim.

      This review is an abomination and still shows up front page of digg. The REST OF THE GAMING MEDIA disagrees with this review, and I'm tired of running into Shadowrun PR"THIS GAME IS AWTHUM" plants on message boards. There are zero PC gamers playing Shadowrun right now because it's a joke.
    • jimmy72, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There could have been so much more to this game. The multiplayer is fun, don't get me wrong, but story mode could have made it so much better. Shadowrun is based on an RPG, so why did they make it another FPS? I bought it on the same day that I bought Forza 2. Truth be told, it was an impulse buy. I don't regret it, but it could have been better.
    • Joeshie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm sorry, but this game is anything BUT a twitch FPS. The game more or less relies upon a team-oriented gameplay to accomplish your goals, rather than actual 'twich' skills that are necessary in games such as Counter-Strike or Unreal Tournament.

      Not to mention, the actual 'crosshair' for the game is just a circle the size of nickel on your computer monitor in which ANY of your bullets will go in that circle at random...while standing still. You also can't hit the broad side of a barn if you make any sudden turns or movements.

      The game really put a heavy penalty on the accuracy of the mouse because of these gameplay adjustments, which caused it to lose any sort of twitch gameplay it might of had. Having said that, a FPS doesn't need to have twitch gameplay to be enjoyable. The game obviously puts a much heavier focus on other areas of the game rather than aiming, which is why PC gamers can still enjoy the game with the handicaps that were put against them.
  • e03179, on 10/11/2007, -11/+3The game was made by the guy that designed HALO.
    • oldtimegamer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Actually that guy is a part of wideload games in Chicago and has nothing to do with Fasa or shadowrun. There are some members of the Halo team that MS sent over to help with the game though.
    • e03179, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5@oldtimegamer: John Howard works at FASA. He designed HALO and isn't a part of Wideload: Check him out: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/3/b4b/939
  • StingerMS, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10Finally, a good review for this game. Gamespot and IGN gave it bad reviews, which is disappointing, since now a lot of people won't buy it. I hope people give the demo a chance, as I have really enjoyed Shadowrun.
    • dunlop, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Most of the reviews are fair, this game does not deserve more than a 7.5 for the value

      The actual gameplay behind SR is FANTASTIC, but there is a lot of technical problems in it's current state (connection time for public games, loss of game if host leaves, ect...) that are not acceptable as the game is multiplayer only and should therefore be rock solid in that department. It really needed another few months in Beta and a $20 price drop. If it was a cheaper game the reviews would have been in the 80's.

      That said, I can't wait to play tonight. It has been a LONG time since I have been so into a FPS. Hopefully they can fix some of these issues before the demo and get more people hooked.
    • W00DR0W, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9Didn't Unreal come with like 100 maps and plenty of game modes? What's there excuse for short changing us?
    • saibatsu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@W00DR0W -- "Micro-transactions" would probably be their excuse. It's not that they're short-changing us, it's that we haven't fully paid for it yet, so we'll be buying features with little points that result in exorbitant amounts of money going down the tubes (of the intarbuttz, of course). I'm sorry, I'm a bit of a cynic at this point. Micro-transactions do have their place, they're just being over-used to replace solid development and feature-rich products at their launch.
  • Lumiras, on 10/11/2007, -5/+38There should have been some sort of single player element to the game, it's total ***** that it's only multiplayer. Some of us don't like getting teabagged by screaming 14 year olds just to play a game
    • CalipsoII, on 10/11/2007, -20/+2Step 1: don't buy it.
      Step 2: ???
      Step 3: Profit!
    • Lumiras, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Trust me Callipsol, I didn't buy it, I gave it a quick rent and shoved it right back into the return slot. It's not worth my time
    • MoeTee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2uh, if you're post-twitchy you can play against bots. Combine that with a group of human teammates and you can have a blast without getting 'bagged by tweeners.
    • maaddmax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Then you wouldnt like the secret achievement for teabagging...
  • yellowbarron, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3That sounds awesome, I can't wait.
  • Gehko, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2think i'll wait for a price drop. still waiting for an oblivion price drop...
  • yingjai, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1http://duggmirror.com/
  • acid55, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5@lumiras
    there is a single player element, just like counter-strike for the xbox, you just play rounds with bots. it's actually pretty tough.

    But yes, it takes forever to join a public match. It is pretty fun once you get the controls down and learn what the magic and tech can do for you.
    • ahhell, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Playing matches with bots would barely classify as single player.
    • acid55, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1what is your definition of single player then? in this case it is the "single player element."
    • DoubtingThomas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1An actual storyline maybe?
  • Chiefster, on 10/11/2007, -6/+5How is this game anything like WOW - where thousands of people are playing at the same time. Are you saying just because it has magic?
    More accurately - it's a FPS w/ magic - nothing like WOW
    • maaddmax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I think its cause it has different races and magic. But other than that ya no connection.
  • Dillius, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Any PC Users feel like sharing their opinions on it so far? I was considering purchasing this just yesterday, but read a lot of things that concern me, like bad aiming problems with mouse/keyboard. Also not really sure if my x800 could handle it.
    • ThePikey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I picked it up a week ago and have been playing it every night. I have 3Gig of ram (because it's cheap, but 2 would do fine) and an NVidia 7600GT with 256Mb. My vista "score" is 5.2 and it runs wonderfully. If you can run Halo 2 on your PC you can handle Shadowrun.

      At first I thought I was seeing the "controller lag" when I moved the mouse. It responded as if I were using a controller, a little slower to start the motion. But I adjusted the mouse sensitivity and made sure the smoothing was off and it responded like a mouse and keyboard combo should. Tight.

      Now, as far as shooting things goes. Any movement effects your targeting reticule as does going full auto vs short bursts, obviously crouching tightens that up some. The SmartLink tech really helps as well as gives you extra zoom and makes it impossible to hit your teammates.

      The game is only Shadowrun by name, some tech, magic and races. Thematically and canonically (Pen and paper RPG) it is NOT Shadowrun. And I think that is the reason so many people give it a bad rap. They've waited so long for a Shadowrun RPG/MMO that to get a Counter Strike-esq FPS frustrates them to no end. It is limited in maps and game types, but I think it's made up for somewhat by the possible tech/magic/team combos available. New maps will come, I only hope they don't charge us for every new thing they add. No one likes that.

      God I love Teleporting up from a lower level to unload an SMG on a guy carrying the Artifact(flag).

      My rating of the game as it is, for what it is, 8.5/10
    • drburgos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I also got the PC version. At first I hated the fact that this game was an FPS because I was a fan of the orginal Pen and Paper game as well as the SNES and Sega versions. This game is shadowrun by name only as the above poster mentioned. But I have to give it up, the gameplay is fantastic. It is essentially a big war of Paper, Rock, Scissor as different Techs, and Spells counter-act eachother. I personally love using the human because there is less essence drain with the usage of tech and they get more money each round to buy spells and technology.

      I really think this game could have been a lot more than it is and I think a sequel will probably realize that potential. If you like CS, you will like the novelty to this game. If you are looking for Halo with an awesome single player, look elsewhere.

      I give this game an overall score of 7.5/10 but the funfactor is a 9/10.
    • Exodin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3PC gamers hate it, and we get it 10 dollars cheaper.
  • PunkHop, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Main link didn't work for me, but Google caught a no-css version (with pics):

    http://72.14.209.104/search?hs=sUq&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.2old2play.com%2FNews%2FShadowrun___The_Review&btnG=Search
  • FenianNProud, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7'Balancing' the aiming of a game so that folks on a console can compete with people on a PC is beyond lame. The game is overpriced considering the number of maps, combined with this being Vista only - it just doesn't rank with FPS games like CS, GoW, etc.

    It's a great break or stopgap, but beyond that, a bit weak in replay value.
  • grimhammer00, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I've been playing it for a few days now.

    What I see beyond a few points already made...is it needs a rewards system (new skins, weapons, races) to be unlocked. And a way to personalize your character beyond the the others. (color palette swaps seems easiest for an update.) And yeah...more maps!

    The server issues I've experienced are unacceptable for sure. Host leaving crap, search for players time is waaaayyy too long!

    But a really fun game...and the UK price I've heard, but haven't checked...is way cheaper than US or Canadian. What gives?
    • Lumiras, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Amazon UK has it for 32.99 pounds, but once you convert pounds to dollars it comes out to about the same. People in the UK usually pay way more for games, this time they pay just about the same as we in the US do
  • objbuilder, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12
    The game looks great but without a single player campaign you're only getting half as much gameplay as usual yet they charge the full premium price of $60 USD. No one should buy this game at full price since it only sends a message to other publishers that we are willing to pay full price for partial content. If this trend continues you will soon be paying full price for XBL games!
  • Nazuel, on 10/11/2007, -8/+21I will not buy this game. I for one, am sick of FASA's games being bent over and raped to make a profit. Battletech was given pretty good justice in the Mechwarrior series on PC. Then, M$ decided that it would sell more copies if it were dumbed down and made just flashy (mechassault). I seriously tried to take it in the spirit of a console game and not be offended by the dumbing down. Then the sequel came out and almost made me vomit. Plus, M$ decided that they were not going to make any more MW games for the PC and focus instead on their console version (Mechassault) which is only superficially Battletech. Now we get "Shadowrun" which has no magic, and is only a FPS game that kind of looks like shadowrun.

    Am I the only one who is upset by the fact that some of my favorite wargaming and RPG games made by FASA seems to be getting dumbed down left and right in order to appeal to shallow gamers who sneered at them before because they were too "geeky"? Maybe I am a bit elitist, but I had a savage joy in being able to enjoy deep thinking games like Battletech and to some extent Shadowrun, which were (compared to other games) pretty in depth and challenging. It is a grave insult because it is as if the industry is saying "These games suck because they require learning and thinking, but we like the 'cool' parts of them and want to whore them out to the masses". Shadowrun may be a great game on its own. But they should not have called it shadowrun because it is NOT shadowrun. It is a FPS that has some of the SR theme to it. Dystopia is much closer (IMO) to SR than SRPC/XBOX is, at least as far as the cyberpunk aspect is concerned.

    Last, but not least full price for a MP only game? You have GOT to be kidding. It is a rip off.
    • FenianNProud, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10That's whats burned so many fans - the game isn't 'Shadowrun', at least not the Shadowrun that fans love. It took a few of the elements that the average numbnut would recognize and through the rest at the wall to see what would stick.

      A solid RPG title in the Shadowrun universe, or FPS that actually seems to be drawn from the universe, i.e. use the cannon that's available, the gods know there is a ton of it rather than generic titles and names, would be great - sadly we don't have that.
    • acdcfanbill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I am a huge fan of the Mechwarrior series of games, also to be turned off by the mechassault series. I think you've hit the nail on the head here, They gut depth from games, and then market them to the masses. And what's with the lack of dedicated hosting, the PC has had a MP system that has worked for years, and console makers seem to mess it up consistantly.
    • inhaler, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Taking a moment to nerd out and recall my favorite Shadowrun tabletop game moment:

      An SUV full of hired killers (the players) armed to the teeth and with enough cyberware onboard to make a street doc blush, decide to have some fun while headed to their destination. One of players turns to his copatriot and says, "I'll bet you a thousand nuyen to shoot the next guy in a red car." After a moment of silence, the one hired arm shrugs confidently and says, "I'll take that bet," and makes his way over to the passenger seat of the vehicle. Moments later, a middle aged man and his trophy wife, driving a red 2063 analog to the Mazda Miata, pull up beside the black SUV and taunt the driver to race. As almost if he was making a checklist in his head, the pasenger of the SUV acknowledges the red car to his left, and in one deft motion, withdrawls his Ares Viper Silvergun from his jacket and plants two rounds of flachette ammunition into the face of the suddenly surprised Miata driver. As the hitman turns to his comrade in the seat next to him, opening a hand to receive his certified credstick, the red car, now unpiloted, crashes into the side of the SUV. Both cars doing an average of 90-100 mph, careen off the side of the road and tumble and ignite, flying into some surrounding rocks and foilage along the highway. Realizing he wasn't wearing his seatbelt, the player of the gunman in the passenger seat turns to me and says, "If I hold my hands up and brace against the ceiling, I should survive this, right?"

      Man, I miss that game.
    • zeous, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I miss the Sega Genesis version of the game, I'd consider it one of my favorite games of all-time. If instead they didn't turn this game into some mindless FPS, it could be an amazing RP type game like Oblivion, but so much cooler.
  • Bahimiron, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7A positive review of Shadowrun?

    That's a genuine rarity.

    I think the game is getting slammed too much for nonsense, though. It seems like a lot of sites are lowering reviews for Shadowrun for no reason other than the price or the multiplayer-only action, then claiming other issues with it that simply aren't there.

    Not that I disagree. A multiplayer-only game should not be $60. However, tell the damn truth about the reasoning behind your review, people.
    • sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3"A positive review of Shadowrun?

      That's a genuine rarity."

      Only diggs the poster has are for stories on 2old2play, mystery solved
  • mobilitatis, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3Other Excellent Game that don´t run on the new $2,799 17" MacBook Pro.
  • gdgi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Considering that it's Vista only, it means that the PC version will be dead before it starts...zero people own vista == zero people in online lobby

    So in other words, microsoft wants you to buy Vista + they basically force you to buy a Live Gold account in order to have anyone to actually play against. No thanx.
    • Lumiras, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3or you could play it on the Xbox 360...
    • Dillius, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Some of us prefer mouse/keyboard. I will never buy a Xbox360 game that I can get on PC. But I have my 360 still because of a number of good exclusive titles.
    • PhoenixAvatar2, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Same as above. Not to mention I don't have the money for an X360 right now.
    • EndangeredMassa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Microsoft is really pushing Vista on people. Their Vista-only games are only part of that plan.

      It's a bad idea for the game, but a good idea for Vista itself. We'll have to see how it plays out.

      Note: I run Vista. I may purchase this.
    • Lumiras, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"Microsoft is really pushing Vista on people"

      Holy *****...that's unbelieviable. Why on earth would a company want to promote their product to increase sales? That's positively un-American!!!
    • ThePikey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Hmm, I run Vista on 2 of my PC's at home. I've been playing Shadowrun since it's release and I see 4 dedicated servers full every night. If there were more dedicated servers they would be full too. (Being a new game, I'll assume they are coming) I have a free Windows Live account and probably won't pay extra just to get some matching and acheivement capabilities. I'm having a hell of a lot of fun, for $37.99 (Circuit City + Flight Sim X free)
  • noisuf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Normally I don't like games that have magic in them, I just go for first person shooters with weapons only. But I definitely love this game and I find it hard to put down. I play both PC and console games and this is definitely one of the more fun games I've played in a while. The only thing I've had problems with would be trying to intially find a game to play online, sometimes it just sits there searching. But I'd say definitely worth the $60 I paid for it on my 360.
    • FenianNProud, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6How can any sane person say this game is worth $60 when compared to games like Gears of War, Medal of Honor, Halo etc? Each had a solid single-player game rather than a half-assed bot run training session.

      And for each of these, they also offered multiplayer that not only had more maps, but less problems.

      At this stage in its development, this should have been a $30-$40 title at best. The game has sold what it has on the back of it's Shadowrun reference, and if it wasn't for that no one would believe a multiplayer only game with so few maps and so few players would be worth $60.
    • noisuf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 @FenianNProud probably because it's a unique game, that has awesome gameplay. I also play Gears of War and that is probably one of my favorite console games. I don't think I'll be spending money on halo3 as it was pretty disappointing from the beta aside from different maps and new weapons, it's the same darn thing in my opinion.

      Perhaps it's because I don't mind spending $60 for a new game that i've been desperately seeking. And $60 to me, isn't a lot of money. But I definitely do see your point about the lack of single player. I usually run through single players pretty quickly (like GoW) anyhow, so bleh.
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  • Narkster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3See the rest of the of the reviews:

    http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/shadowrun
  • combustion8, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4the game blows, even IGN gave it a measley 6.8.
  • Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4The graphics are pretty weak for a PC game; it's sub-HL2-level. Surely the 360 can do better than this?
    • drburgos, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Side by side pictures of HL2 and Shadowrun clearly prove that Shadowrun's graphics are on par or better in many cases.
  • xinumu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4i was absolutely shocked when i played yesterday and unlocked the 'played with windows vista and xbox360 in the same match' achievement. are people really playing this on pc on any sort of large scale? i couldn't imagine they sold more than a few thousand copies. the game is great fun on the 360, though, but should be 29.99 - or even DLC. heck, at least it would cut down on their distribution costs and fasa could skip right to step #3.
  • TaxmanCDN, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3If you only base your buying decision on reviews on websites, then you probably won't get this. But I've had it since launch and it's a great game. And if you're sick of the little kids on Halo trash-talking like they're gangsta's, you won't find much of that in Shadowrun. It's a complicated game and Rambo-types won't do well.
    • Lumiras, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"It's a complicated game and Rambo-types won't do well"

      That won't stop them from trying. This game is kinda here to bridge the gap before Halo 3, so there are plenty of ***** annoying kids in the games. Plus, because they're getting killed so often, they'll be even more upset

      And, it's not really that complicated. It's just Counter-Strike with magic spells
    • EndangeredMassa, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2@lumiras

      It's CS with spells, races, and real equipment. It's a little more complicated than "just CS with spells".
  • etnu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The only good shadowrun game ever created was released during the 16-bit era -- and it actually held pretty close to the real thing.

    This is nothing more than a futuristic FPS. Good or bad, it isn't shadowrun.
  • f4nt0m4s, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3sounds a lot like the warcraft mod for cs....the one where you got spells and classes...only that came out years ago...
  • Alfonzo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4How dare they call this game Shadowrun! That's Halo with magic . . . that's all. Why would they soil the name of an awesome character-development driven, intellectual RPG with this "yet another Online FPS" Bullsh*t!!
  • aphexmandelbrot, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5This is just another CS mod.
    Call me when I can be a decker.

    Shadowrun, my ass.
    • drburgos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Deckers no longer exist in Shadowrun. You probably haven't played in a while but Deckers were renamed to Hackers because decks are no longer required in the wireless age.
    • Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Decks are still useful when you want to go beyond simple Augmented Reality - full Simsense still provides some tastey bonuses that we powergamers need... ;)

      ...oh wait, I didn't say "we" did I? ;P
  • Aoki3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Counter-Strike on crack? The play style is NOTHING like CS! It's more like UT--mindless, knee-jerk gameplay. Nothing like CS's gameplay. This review goes against all the other reviews I've read that hated Shadowrun and how they ruined the license... I'm taking this one with much more than a grain of salt.
    • oldtimegamer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Review copies for the game went out the same day as the game was released. In some cases reviews only played a couple hours before trying to write the reviews. Most reviews dont even look at gameplay itself and instead focus on cost and how its not the IP that shadow run people love. But what about the game? What about taking the time to actually play and really get into it. Oh well, to each his own.
    • NoGame22, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Most of the people who gave this game a negative review only played for a few hours. Some of them only played the single player, I say single player meaning bots only, because they didn't have anyone to experience the game with. I have played the game for quite some time now and feel that SoupNazi is right on target.
  • got-haggis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3the game is basically counterstrike, with a bit of Tribes thrown in. I played the beta on the 360 and enjoyed, however purchased the Vista version because I prefer the mouse/kb control setup. Boy was I wrong. They really nerfed the controls of the PC - mainly so that your cone of fire is worse than those on the console...to top things off, they gave console users a bit of auto-aim. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to unload several clips into someone (console player) only to have them shoot me twice and I die.

    If you have a 360, get the game...its good and fun. however if you have a PC, RUN AWAY. (unless you hook up the 360 controller to your PC, which then enables auto-aim for you)
    • NoGame22, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2it all depends on the gun you are using and the rate of fire. If you hold down the trigger you aren't going to kill many people at all b/c your shots will spray everywhere. You have to use short controlled bursts to remain accurate. I don't know how you are firing your gun, but if you aren't using bursts that might be your problem.

      I've played quite a few games with friends who have the game for vista and they don't seem to have any problems getting kills or having complaints about the difference between console and PC.
    • ThePikey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I'm going to disagree completely. There is nothing wrong with the PC version. My controls are as sharp and crisp as any I've played. I'll admit, the default settings needed to be tweeked, like sensitivity, but once that was done, not a laggy move ever.

      "unless you hook up the 360 controller to your PC, which then enables auto-aim for you" - How lame is that? You need auto-aim? Please, don't play this game. It sounds like you need your hand held to cross the street.
    • drburgos, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1This is untrue. Sorry but you're making ***** up. The cone of fire is virtually identical and you can change the controls to be more sensative. Autoaiming is also on the PC version.
  • lingyai, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6The SNES version was underrated!
    • echonull, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3The Genesis Shadowrun game was also underrated!

      ... However, this game is a "version" of neither. Just a game with a tacked-on name, leave it at that.
  • noisuf, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I just like the game i guess
  • omnithought, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Sorry, still not gonna get Vista
  • primaldefense, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Being an old school role-player I enjoyed Shadowrun throughout my years of High School and College, and even now out of college. In fact some of my friends now have the newest version of the books for the role-playing game. I found the Xbox 360 version to be a good breath of fresh air to the game.

    Yes- it is not a role playing game... Yes- it is a FASA game that has had its rights purchased for use once again by a company hoping to make a profit from a game with great background and info behind it. Even Shadowrun's connections to Neuromancer give it an increased fan based.

    However - those of us fans who kept up on the news as soon as the game was announced as being in the works bloody well knew that this was going to be a FPS. Get over it. They informed us of the style and what was happening...I personally enjoy the game, and the fact they kept some aspects of race, magic, and tech. Why complain when its a good fresh game with enjoyable game play that can revitalize team style gaming.

    If you dont' like it, dont' buy it, but I would recommend at least renting it for the few bucks it will cost you, to at least give it a try. After all thats why Blockbuster and other stores exists. To let ppl try before you buy movies and games.
  • cavie2002, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3This game is sweet, when i first played it i was like man this game sucks, but after getting the controls down i loved it, who cares about single player, iv had GoW since it came out and iv barley played the single player, plus theres nothing funnier then a munchkin running after you with a katana.
  • Droniac, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3"One of the things that separates Shadowrun from other FPS games is the use of magic in combination with technology and races."

    Nothing new AT ALL. Been there, done that (better). Try Savage please.
    And a breath of fresh air? It's just Counter Strike with gimmicks...


    Anyhow - seems like a nice game for the Xbox360 gamer..
    On the PC side of things I'd be surprised if people actually bothered paying for this *****.
    That's just throwing your money away for nothing, especially with the whole Vista-required business...
  • timfitz99, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1It sounds cool, but not anyplace near full-price cool. Once it drops to $30 or under I might pick it up.

    Echoing previous posts, I wish they'd made an RPG. The old SNES and Genesis Shadowrun games rocked.
  • Craig42, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I heard many corners were cut and there was a lack of levels. I Like the fact that xbox 360 and PC users can play together though.
  • MrTea, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2This sucks. I was expecting a remake of the original SNES/Genesis game.

    I know I wasn't the only person looking at the screenshots saying "where's Jake Armitage?"
  • Exodin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Shadowrun creator's FASA owe all of their um.. "success" to the creators of Counter Strike's Warcraft 3 mod.. something built like 4 years ago and it shows.
  • GunnerMcGrath, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2This is one of the best games i've played on the 360 and i'm shocked that it's getting such bad reviews, since almost everyone i've come across that's played it thinks it's amazing. Looks like I found a new site for reviews.
  • MoeTee, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Wow, I'm shocked by all the Shadowrun hating.

    if you're a long time Shadowrun RPG fan (or an RPG fan of any stripe) and you're looking for an RPG, this ain't it. It's a team-based strategy-FPS, period.

    If you're looking for a lengthy single-player mode (which is basically a second complete game), you'll be disappointed. FPS makers usually include single-player modes of varying quality and length, which usually get people pissed regardless. Shadowrun has a six chapter tutorial to get you up to speed for multi. Fine by me.

    To those who say this game is not/is inferior to {Halo 2, CS:S, Barbie's Fun Shack, etc.}: Okay, you're right. Now, breath deep and get over it. Accept this game for what it is, a team-based strategy-FPS.

    Look, the game is not without it's problems. Long matchmaking times are a drag (DEVs: Fix this first, please and thank you), and if the server leaves the whole match is a bust (bummer #2), and there are some minor graphical shortcomings, notably the lack of animation for climbing ladders (why not just use running animation?). All of these are fixable, and since Live makes it easy for Devs to patch games I'm sure they are all over it. And there are lots of potential additions (maps, races, weapons, tech, magic) to keep things interesting.

    The point is that this game has a lot to get excited about. It's one of the few FPS's where twitchy and not-so-twitchy players can contribute equally.

    If you're a TWB, learn to use the Elf. They are the fastest race, and when you add Wired Reflexes and Teleport they make Master Chief look like he's standing still. And depending on your Magic/Tech choices you could get the glider and a sniper rifle and be a serious long-range threat. Some complain, myself included, that Elves are the new Noob Combo. Honestly, I'm just bitter.

    If you're not a TWB, there are three other races to master. You can go Troll, get Smartlink, the minigun, Tree of Life, etc. and tear it up on O or D. Dwarves and Humans have their own merits. Right now, I'm digging going Human and adding Enhanced Vision so I can scout for my teammates while covering the Artifact with the rifle or sniper rifle.

    In short, I think Shadowrun has enough customizing to make FPS interesting again. And, no, I don't work for FASA :P.
  • dodus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3What about the deckers?
  • nericq, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I have Shadowrun on the 360. I've read a few of the bad reviews, and they are mostly right. There are some unpolished parts of the game. There isn't a lot of variety in gameplay modes. There isn't a single-player mode. The weapons are underwhelming. So I understand why the scores are so low.

    With all that said, I love playing the game. The whole counter-strike feel w/the magic and tech twist great. It's the most fun multi-player I've had since Gears.
  • mandarin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Vista only? Screw that then.
  • Grivako, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Im a gamer as well as a pen and paper rpger from way back, and shadowrun was one i enjoyed. that its multiplayer instead of having any single player storyline is a bit disappointing, but I think it can be fun as well, hopefully they may release an expansion of it. i am excited about this game, and it has a lot of good ideas and i cant wait to try them out, i think it will be fun
  • roflcopterdown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm an old hand at this Shadowrun thing, chummer, and while I'd love to have an RPG to play than an FPS, I realize that I also have a weekly group who plays the Shadowrun RPG every Saturday. It would have been great if they had involved something like a story mode centering around a famous Shadowrun tale like Harlequin or Dunklezahn's story, but maybe that'll come later in Shadowrun 2.

    A Rainbow Six style version of Shadowrun with a story mode would be real wiz, but I think I might check out this game. If it sucks, slot it, there's always Saturday.
  • guttertrash, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3microsoft is ruining pc games. they extort users into "upgrading" to vista to play their new game titles, they practically forced a lot of pc gamers to buy an xbox console to be able to play decent games now they make a game that lets xbox users play pc users, but everything relies on their LIVE service that you have to pay MORE money to subscribe to.ITS DISGRACEFUL.
    • Droniac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh are they now... the truth is I have yet to see any vista-only game worth purchasing, because both Halo 2 and Shadowrun suck.

      As for practically being forced to buy an Xbox to play decent games.... what on earth are you talking about? That's nonsense.
      Where can you find the best games? Which platform has the most promising list of upcoming titles? PC. Regardless of what Microsoft does.

      As for that LIVE service - it isn't even on par with the Xbox version and many free services on the PC outdo it in every regard (think Xfire for one)... It's a miserable failure not worth a single penny, especially considering the fact that the only two titles currently using LIVE are Halo 2 and Shadowrun - neither worth purchasing for anything other than as a coaster to put your beer/coke/whatever on while you're off playing UT2004 or some other GOOD game...
  • Mathewh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1i don't own the game. my worry/fear with the reviews is that the game is a multiplayer-focussed game but does not have local splitscreen action. i have to have another friend with a 360, and a copy of the game to play together. even 2 player splitscreen would have been great. i will try the demo when it comes out (tomorrow?), but am planning on buying it when it comes down in price.
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