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- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -17/+146"Most. Expensive. Linux. Ever."
Right. 'cause every desktop with a blueray player, half a gig of ram, dual GPUs and a 3ghz cell processor costs under $600.
Oh wait, no, that's not true at all, is it? A comperable desktop would cost well over $1k, wouldn't it? Ooops. - BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -46/+147Most. Expensive. Linux. Ever.
- l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49This would redeem the PS3 at least partially in my eyes.
- Mystikal, on 10/12/2007, -16/+58Rock on. Linux FTW.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -14/+53With a Blu-Ray drive?
- Kamaji, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42Which Distro?
Knowing Sony -- it'll probably be a distro they roll-up themselves. - rm999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25From wikipedia:
"NVidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated during Sony's pre-show press conference at E3 2005 that the RSX will be more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined."
Even if it's only as powerful as one, that's a fairly expensive video card you'd have to buy in your 600 dollar computer... I build my own computers, and I usually build them as cheap as possible while still being good at games. The video card usually costs about as much as everything else combined (200-300 dollars). - heymark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Yeah, exactly.
Which reminds me, i have to water my Gentoo tree. - antique, on 10/12/2007, -15/+35knowing sony, the distro will be a huge rootkit in disguise.
- expertninja, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Here's a question that will blow your mind....Which distro? I forsee epic battles on a grand scale over which distro is included or which distro Sony will base theirs on.
- Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Knowing Sony? Do you know a distro that will run on the Cell processor? No? Well then what was Sony supposed to do?
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Yeah, Linux (as well as GNU) is free as in freedom. Price is irrelevent.
- generalleoff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Actually according to Mr. Spock and his Vulcan logic IBM will be responsible for the version of Linux the PS3 uses. I mean IBM hasn't been contributing code for the CELL into the Linux kernel for some time for nothing.
Anyway it sounds like I can replace my XBOX as a media center/emulation machine now so the PS3 is now worth the money. - DoctorNo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18>>Rock on. Linux FTW.
Seems Sony will allow for homebrew apps and basically compile Linux apps as well according to the interview with the VP of Sony. In the interview he also says you would be able to hook up any USB external harddrive. Since Linux is going to be on EVERY PS3, it really is so much more functional than the spotty PS1/PS2 Linux effort.
Here is a better link:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30746 - TheK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Come on people, where have you been? Linux on the PS3 was announced a long time ago, along with screenshots of it running KDE. The Linux kernal already fully supports the Cell processor, and is fully backed by IBM. Why, you ask? Simple: IBM owns the processor, and they planned on using it in server platforms as well as the PS3. Do you honestly think that IBM would invest this much time, effort, and money into such a revolutionary (not without it's own problems, of course...) product to just give Sony exclusive rights? You must have missed that day in Economics class where they discussed this little concept called "supply and demand." Yes, the PS3 is the flagship that the Cell processor will be launched on, but it will not be the only application for it. IBM fully supports the linux community, and as I said earlier, the kernal support is already built in.
As for those people who question whether or not this will raise the price, or whether or not it is "possible" to do for Sony... It's a computer, people. When you get right down to it, the PS3 is just a computer, just like the Xbox and the Xbox 360. Sony saw the market that arose when people began "hacking" the Xbox, and just wants a piece of that. And no, it's not possible to build the PS3 for $600. It actually costs well over $1000, but exact figures are not known. Same thing happened with Microsoft with both the Xboxes. The parent companies make up the loss over the years with, GASP, video game rights! Thats right folks, you have to pay Sony/Microsoft for the SDK and the rights to publish the game on their platform. Supply and Demand, all over again. But I digress...
There is no reason why Linux should be overly difficult to install and run on the PS3. Microsoft did not support linux, and so it was difficult. Why? Because they were always trying to stop you from installing it! Sony supports the installation of Linux on the PS3 and even ships it with, most likely, it's own version.
You have to see the big picture here. The biggest problem Sony has right now is that people are freaking out over the price. Have you seen everything the PS3 can/is supposed to do? It's not just a game console. It's a DVR, Media Center PC, High-Def TV tuner, personal computer, entertainment console, and a personal server. They engineered it to not just play games, but to do everything you could want to do in your living room. Watch TV, record and re-watch shows, watch DVD's, stream and/or store content, host a fileserver on your personal network, etc.
Sony is handing you the hardware and asking you to decide what you want out of it. By releasing Linux and the basic tools needed to write and compile software for it, as well as allowing third party software to be executed by the processor (except for the game console aspect, that is...), Sony is trying to get us to do their market research for them. In the past, we all just played video games on our consoles. Over the past few years, technology has evolved and the market is moving fast... Sony just wants to give the users a chance to find out what they need out of a console, and allow them to do it themselves. Maybe down the line a bit, you'll see Sony and other companies releasing software for the PS3, you never know. - phore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17what are you talking about? Microsoft would have no problem liscencing their operating system. They already liscence their OS to Sony PC and laptops.
But in all likelyhoodness, Sony wouldn't want Windows on the PS3, and neither would I. - Kamaji, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Umm.. WINE Is Not an Emulator. PS3 is Cell processor based - not x86.
WINE will never run on the PS3. - linuxps2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17yeah its prolly a linux they created... much like the one for the PS2... i just hope they use gnome or KDE instead of windowmaker like they did on the PS2 linux
- kemche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I wonder why Sony didn't announce this feature during E3?
- bshep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11thats right the ps2 has a linux dev kit, however I remember that it was:
a) Expensive
b) Very limited, it ran under some sort of emulation layer that hid the internals of the PS2, i dont know the details but i seem to remember you didnt have access to the full 3d graphics support, audio was limited and some of the I/O (USB/Firewire) was restricted
This was probably done in order to avoid releasing the driver code...
I wonder if the PS3 will be the same or if they will be more open minded... time will tell. - CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This story is wrong. I bet no one even read the japanese link that was provided.
Here is what was said:
"# Since PS3 has Linux installed Linux programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, on the other hand in the Linux world they don't have to pay license fee but the support is minimum. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things inlcuding SPE are expected to be open to developers. But we don't intend to mix the PS3 as a game platform and the PS3 in the Linux world."
That doesn't come close to meaning full Linux. - TheBrandman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Likelyhoodness? That trumps irregardless. Is that a funeral procession, 'cause this comment's about to get buried.
- harshbarj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10IcanFLY:
At 50gb it's almost a no brainer to want a blu-ray drive. I'm not sure about the dvd replacement war but I'm sure in the pc world blu-ray will win out just for the capacity it offers (50gb for a dl blu-ray or 30gb for a dl hd-dvd. not a hard choice).
As for linux on the ps3 all I can say it this is good news. Now only if they would take the same stand on the PSP. - PunkFenixJT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Im just happy to be seeing ps3 articles make the frontpage that ARENT listed by anti-sony flameboys that just want to bury sony into the ground and promote Wii.
Personally im very intrigued by the PS3...$600 or not I'm thinking I'll be picking one up since i'll make it my media center as well. - mr_bako2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This is so refreshing to me.... im glad to hear some good news about the PS3 for a change, i mean bieng a sony fan boy i guess you could say, then i have alwasy had faith in sony, and its starting to slip with all this negative news, its nice to see a little bit of positive news... i hope this turns out to be a reallly good addition to the console.
- MrGeneric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This may let you run Windoz on the PS3, http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ but it will need porting first.
- fogbog293, on 02/10/2009, -0/+6Forgive me if I'm incorrect here, but the 7-core cell processor that is shipping in the PS3 has a thoeretical max performance of 218 GFLOPS according to Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28seventh_generation%29 )
Now the 500th fastest computer in the world has a speed of 1645 GFLOPS (http://www.top500.org/lists/2005/11/basic/5 )
So essentially, all I would have to do is purchase eight PS3 systems for 5000 bucks, beowulf cluster, and I'll have one of the 500 fastest computers in the world.... And that's not even counting the GPU. Not to mention the fact that the hardware is built for Linux and requires NO hacking.
Who the /hell/ said the PS3 was expensive? - tito13kfm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11The question begs to be answered.
PS3 running linux, emulating windows with WINE (ok.. not emuating), Emulating XBox through Xeon, Emulating N64 through Surreal64, Emulating SNES through SNES 9x, Emulating Gameboy through Super Gameboy.
Why you ask? Why not. - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I doubt it. I think the Linux based system will be seperate from the gaming firmware.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15I think SONY will run Rootnix.......With embedded root-kit technology....
- DoctorNo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Most important point from Sony Executive Izumi Kawanishi's interview
>>"Since PS3 has Linux installed Linux programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, on the other hand in the Linux world they don't have to pay license fee but the support is minimum. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things inlcuding SPE are expected to be open to developers. But we don't intend to mix the PS3 as a game platform and the PS3 in the Linux world."
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060511/ps3.htm - Wolfman~K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There is no way a "full" unrestricted linux would be running by default on the PS3. This is SONY, that thing will be locked up at least as tight as the 360 is. Releasing it with a fully Open Source OS would be way too forward thinking for them.
--http://net-K.us/blog/ - antique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What the hell are you talking about? Why would someone more interested in running linux buy something that doesn't run linux?
- Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Given the extremely (fanatically) closed source nature of the PSP and their constant battle against homebrew on that platform, I would say that this is B.S.
- stoanhart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Installing is no problem - Using it is.
My main PC is running a 64 bit gentoo install, and I find myself constantly rebooting into windows, because some codec/plugin/program doesn't compile or runs weird under x86_64. I am going to reinstall and use 32 bit. The speed difference is minimal, if even at all existent, for desktop use, so why bother? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Anyone who keeps insisting that Linux, or anything related to open source software, is meant to be free (cost) just doesn't GET IT. I'm no Linux zealot, but those of you who are, please do me a favor and educate your followers so they stop embarassing the rest of you.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Linux is GPL. Can they distribute linux on their machine without open sourcing the drivers?
- TheK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Slightly flawed logic here... Viruses on UNIX based systems aren't exactly possible, given the way code is executed in UNIX. Unlike in Windows, where anything from your browser to your instant messaging client can run whatever code they want, all processes must be started by hand or authorized to start in UNIX. Have you ever seen a virus for OSX? Of course not. OSX is a UNIX based operating system, and only had one "virus" that was a proof of concept that not only didn't end up working the way it was supposed to, but required the user to PURPOSEFULLY run the application (badly disguised as an image). If you go to open an image documant, and your computer asks you if you want to run "X" program, would you allow it? If you're an idiot, yes.
- shwaa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6First of all, so long as you're not using assembly, you could just program in your language of choice and run it through the compiler. If you don't want to take advantage of the cell multi-core processing, you could just use one core and voila, programming on cell made simple. Difficulty only arises when trying to use multiple cores.
- Krush, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I have a feeling we're going to start seeing a software feature war between Sony and MS. Sony will add software features to the PS3 before launch to combat all the bad press, they don't cost much and add value. MS is a software company, so you know they can add limitless features to the 360 on the software end. It's going to be interesting to see what both companies do between now and November. I know everyone likes to argue about all this but if Sony slips and losses it's domination of the console industry, we all benefit from a more competitive market.
- zeebo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Theres no way Sony will allow direct hardware access, especially access to the disk drive.
- stevester, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Maybe they're just cheap.
- MrGeneric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4not WINE, http://bochs.sourceforge.net/
- rushfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I almost think this (partially) stems from a desire to spite Microsoft.
- itsmekirby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You get what you pay for. I would be shocked (and would definitely cash in) if they didn't lock down their linux version to basically not do anything you'd like it to do except surf the web and play music. If they offered basically a high powered linux PC for $600 I would buy a couple just to replace my computer. I would be shocked if they let you play non-PS3 games on it. That said, their business model relies on their protection being secure enough against crackers. If their copy of linux gets cracked and can run anything and everything, PS3 game pirating will run rampant, along with PC games. I could also forsee unlocked PS3's being sold commonly on the market as a PC with windows for cheap (with no intention to play ps3 games at all). This would put Sony out of business or force them to raise the price. They can't make these kind of losses on consoles if these consoles can be used to NOT play PS3 games.
Sony won't let you do what you want. You will pay for the expensive games through your teeth. Sony demands it. - nooreazy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4FInally some good ps3 news! :D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I think this is a scam, why support homebrew now?? when they worked so hard to not support it for the PSP and went out of there way to make it where the upgrades to the firmware would disable homebrew. Dont fall for it....
Maybe it will support bittorrent so i can download the latest Blue Ray movies =) - BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Uhhhh..... you're not paying for Linux. You're paying for the PS3, which comes with Linux.
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