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- ThugEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -15/+77Don't want to pay a ridiculous price for a PS3? Don't buy one.
Don't want to pay a ridiculous price for any console? Buy a Revolution. - pondster, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39This is complete BS. First off, I ran both Mom and Pop and a Multi Million dollar electronic gaming store (Different times of my life) and first off, the mom and pop does not have the resources to pull this off in any amount that the big chains do to actually effect anyone. Another thing is the Mom and Pop stores just try to break even because they can not buy like the big box stores can. Lets say a system retails for $299, the big box stores get the machine at cost (Which is $289! yes most retailers only make $10 profit on a system sale) now when you buy from a wholesaler (Systems only people - no flames please) they get it for what the big box stores get it for and sell it to the mom and pop for $299 or even higher at times (Which I experienced for the N64 launch).
Now you ask, why does the mom and pop still buy at these prices, because they want you in the store to buy the extras and the games (Where everyone makes their money)
So don't down the mom and pop store because they are trying to make a buck - they are just trying to get back the $1.50 that walmart stole from them!
Oh and yes, the mom and pop store I worked at got trampled on by big-ol walmart that opened up 2 miles down the road - but atleast we lasted 6 months longer than our mom and pop competitor down the road. - BGFeltenink, on 10/12/2007, -36/+64What in hell gave you the impression that Digg is a news site? This website is to pull up links to articles and websites that people find interesting. We don't give a ***** if you "no digg" it. You sound like my mother with her ugly-ass dog, "No cookie!" It's immature and annoying as hell.
- psylence, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23News Flash:
Retail store uses legal methods of generating profit in a free market economy. We must defame them because I can't get my game machine!
The world is in pretty good shape when this is the news of the day. - tsukiyo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26err, finish it, please?
"...that combines social bookmarking, blogging, RSS, and non-hierarchical editorial control. With digg, users submit stories for review, but rather than allow an editor to decide which stories go on the homepage, the users do."
If people found this interesting and dugg it to the front page, I think you need to stfu. - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Because if they don't make profit, they don't eat.
- Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12And as a consumer, our greatest tool against companies that do things that we feel is unscrupulous is to alert other consumers, and take our money elsewhere.
"Free market" doesn't mean that consumers have to be mindless and powerless. - Zoltak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Mom & Pop stores are out to make money whereever they can. Oh well, wait for them to be widely available or get them from a store that doesn't push bundles.
- Djrealmz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11One of the main reasons you will see mom & pop stores doing bundles is due to the fact that there is NO markup on the sale of consoles. Zip. Zilch. Nothing. When you see a bundle that is an independent retailer trying to not lose money on a sale. If you were to sell a console without accessories or games at a normal retail price, you would lose money after shipping.
- matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -23/+31"What in hell gave you the impression that Digg is a news site?"
"1. What is digg?
Digg is a technology news website..." - ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Don't want to pay a ridiculous price for any console? Buy a Revolution."
I agree with you here. Sony and MS can shove their precious consoles up their collective asses, and I'll get a Revolution. Something tells me the Rev will be available, cost a lot less, and probably have better games. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8heh. I don't see a problem at all. It's completely legal, not even immoral. They're just selling through a different channel.
- pondster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5L0phtpDK - sounds like they changed a few things since I managed a software etc.(Game Stop) We normally made $10 on a system (Playstation and N64) but we're back at the same situation - people need to make money - It's that system that brings you into the store - The manufacturer is making all the money so why not support the business that is bringing you your joy. But I also respect people selling systems for what the market can bare. If your willing to pay 500% of MSRP for that PS3 then good luck to you -
- RexKwando, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16Thus is capitalism :(
- L0phtpDK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6While I am not defending Mom n Pop stores... I'm going to call Bull.
Large "Multi-Million Dollar" stores do not get a discount on console SYSTEMS... I hate to say. A $199 Xbox costs them $199. They ONLY make their money on accessories and games; hence the BUNDLED systems. If they were making money on the system themselves... they wouldn't need the bundled deal. $20 for a $5 cord?
My source: Experiences of being a Sales Manager at Circuit City. - smarusich, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8if you're stupid enough to pay double, it's your own fault. be patient.
- Combathangar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8FREE MARKET
- imtigger2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If I were a smaller, low-volume, mom n pop gaming store... first of all, I'd be playing games all day, so biz would suck, 2nd, I'd TOTALLY jam those babies onto Ebay. After all, you go into business to make money. The HUGE mistake they made is allowing some 14 year old clerk in on it. The customer should never know! well... as a customer we SHOULD know, but it's not our right to know... and what we don't know, won't kill us.
Then again, they'd be losing sales on the software (video game discs for you kids out there) - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Noone was forced to buy anything!
- Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sure, I do think it's crazy to go pay way too much for a PS3, and I do advocate responsible spending...
I just don't think it's wrong to point out when a company is doing something that you don't think is right or fair, legal or not. Have some scruples and you don't have to worry about being "defamed" by angry consumers. - holotone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Digg is BUILT so that the good stuff floats to the top. If you don't like it, don't digg it. Taking the time to let everyone else know you didn't like it is a little bit counterproductive around these parts, and IMHO is more detrimental to the community than ***** diggs.
Just had to get that off my chest. - Johnbinarystar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Anyone dumb enough to pay double or triple for one of these crappy plastic boxes, deserves to be separated from thier money. PT Barnum called it like it is. There is a sucker born every minute.
- thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51) this is capitalism, it's how it works
2) they are also retaliating against microsoft / sony for ***** them with short supplies, likely on purpose - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sony won't roll it out in enough numbers to satisfy demand, that would be suicide. They need to create artificial shortages to generate media hype and make it appear to be more in demand than it really is. That's what Xbox is doing with the 360, that's what Sony did with the PS2. It's proven to be a very effective and inexpensive advertising method. The "mom and pop" shops just help them. The higher the price goes on eBay, the more in demand the PS3 seems to be, the more the media will sensationalize it, the more exposure Sony gets, the more units they sell.
The really smart people realize that there is no reason to buy it on launch day when the game selection is *****, the lines are long and the price is too high. The smart consumer waits until the bugs are worked out, the price drops a couple of times, the game library is more extensive and there are no lines. Sony knows this, that's why they market the early consoles towards the impatient and the stupid. I say let them. If some retard wants to pay triple price to play buggy launch titles before anyone else does, let him. Fools and their money... - Pellaeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I sold 3 360s on eBay. One lady thanked me for helping her find one for her grandkids! Anyone that wanted to could have waiting in the cold in front of Sam's and Wallyworld like I did, I sold my time waiting there watching movies. Its not unethical, I am a 'value added reseller' I used to to that with PCs. My value was some person with $$$ didn't have to get up at 4am to freeze their balls off to get a console.
- blaksaga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> My source: Experiences of being a Sales Manager at Circuit City.
I'm sorry. I'm really really sorry. - famousdave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's awesome!
Mom and pop shops have been losing so much money to people buying things off e-bay, now the tables have turned. - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Honestly, it's eBay. There are two ways that you win things on eBay.
1. You Buy-it-Now, paying what the seller wants.
2. You set your own high price, and bid on it.
In the end, educated buyers have to make their own decisions and purchase at the price that they feel is right. The consumer has to decide what the most he or she is going to pay for the product. If they buy a product that is in high demand and low supply for twice the retail price, then that's their decision. So if the mom and pop stores want to sell them on eBay for twice the retail price, there's nothing stopping them from doing that, and there's nothing forcing people to pay twice the retail price. Nothing. Caveat Emptor. - jimmyM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i would be happy if new products that were scarce were only available on ebay, that way everyone would have a fair shot at buying them and not be subject to the luck of showing up at the store when they come in, or sleeping in the parking lot the night before release.
sure, people would bid up the prices, but so what? are we communists whoa re opposed to the idea of auctions because we want to dictate to sellers how much we will pay them for the items they own and we do not? - samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Any retailer knows that returning customers are more important than a quick sale.
I know from experience that if someone comes into your shop, and you give them a bit more for their money, or you tell them that they don't actually need whatever they are about to buy, they are going to be better returning customers. If I had 50 PS3's in stock, and sold 40 of them on eBay at twice the price, then I would get the reputation of not having anything in stock.
I'd be more inclined to buy another ten from another store at retail price, and sell them for no profit. - edto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Here is a solution, stop paying those ridiculous prices for the console and maybe people will consider stop selling it at double its costs and bundle packages with games you'll hardly play expect when trying to impress your friends.
I don't see why some people needed to get the XBOX360 right away, I'm sure we all would die if we couldn't play Kameo right away! - ThugEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@Y2JCrisis: Sure, we don't have to get hosed on the price, but we don't need to buy PS3s as soon as they're released, either.
If you want to play consumer advocate, start advocating responsible spending. - PhilM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I work part-time for a large-ish high street store in the UK. We make zero profit on PS2 game consoles. We make a tiny little bit of money on PS2 games, but the most profit is made on accessories like memory cards and controllers. That's why you pay £20 for an antique 8mb memory card for the PS2 which should cost you next to nothing. It's no surprise then, that smaller retailers sell in demand items on eBay because they are pretty much guaranteed a profit vs. no profit at all. I know which one I'd choose. It's not how it should work, but there you go.
- monkeyballsoup, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It's hard to feel sorry for the people who pay sh*tloads of money for a game console and then complain that they might have gotten ripped off.
- DNABeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Unless some has pre-ordered with the intent to pick up their system on the first day but it's already gone to ebay when they turn up.
- Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Im betting a good percentage of those who buy a PS3 put it right onto ebay.
Im going to be totally honest and say I would do the same thing. The ONLY reason I would but a console is to resell it, Im fine and content with my PC gaming. If I can make a few bucks by piggy backing Sony's fame and taking advantage of stupid fan boys who buy from stupid companies Ill do it. - matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"If people found this interesting and dugg it to the front page, I think you need to stfu."
Hey I didn't say it shoulden't be up on the front page, but don't say Digg isn't a "news site" because it clearly is. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am in complete agreement. If this is your business, why not double your profit? Is it unethical to sell for profit? The market will prevail. They will stop doing this when everyone does this and then the ebay market == the regular consumer market. If you want it bad enough and the supply is low enough, this happens - it's called economics.
- sudhu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No one is screwing anyone in this. That's free market for you. You as buyer want it for cheap while the store wants to sell it for the highest price they can. Enjoy :-D
- Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I am considering pre ordering a PS3 and reselling it for 200% of what I payed, then I can afford a rev, vista, and a DX10 video card :)
- TristanTee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Come one, money is money, I would do the same thing... :)
- Rmplstltskn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Mom and Pop gotta eat too.
- mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're a tool
- Jacobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's not unethical, but it is a little slimy. But I don't begrudge you the right to do it. If people are willing to pay then your service is needed and your net profit probably made it worth your time. And that's what it comes down too, time and hassle - dealing with or avoiding it..
When I was 13 I thought I NEEDED to have a system at launch, but being a bit older now I'm totally content waiting a year (or three) before I get a system. There are just way too many games, great games, that are out now that I haven't played to have to rush to get the latest greatest. Plus it makes the hobby infinitely cheaper. - popsumer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Supply and demand, baby.
- ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think I'd feel better if Sony charges a higher price than MSRP to retailers, in other words, charge a price to match supply and demand. This should close the huge profit margins retailers are making. And once production ramps up with the funds Sony receives, they should lower the price accordingly.
So instead of retailers screwing both us and Sony over (they lose money on these consoles), we're paying what we should be paying and retailers pay what they should be paying as well. - LeonThePro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed............EXCEPT for those that advertise a stand alone unit and then refuse to provide it and try to up sell you to a bundle. That is called bait-and-switch and is poor behavior.
- Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Something tells me the Rev will be available, cost a lot less, and probably have better games."
I tried to get a Gamecube around the time it launched and wasn't able to find one.....but it was only a 2 week wait to get my hands on one. I preorders a 360 4 months before launch and had to wait longer than 2 weeks. - MacDork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or maybe you're well enough off that paying double doesn't mean anything to you?
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Oh Mom and Pop shops, when will you stop screwing over big business?! Why must you deceive the customer and do anything in the name of bigger profits?! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!
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