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- RlAA, on 05/24/2008, -5/+446Hmm, you have to think, if pirates ( a large group of computer consumers) will avoid hardware with this chip in them, then why would hardware producers want to implement it?
- Tek12, on 05/24/2008, -25/+381It hasn't stopped people from putting OS X onto standard PC hardware... why would it stop now?
- Kenelm, on 05/24/2008, -7/+290Pirates cannot be stopped. Such measures may slow piracy, but never end it.
- netburnr, on 05/24/2008, -11/+235To everyone that says this will "slow piracy and not end it"
Wrong, nothing slows piracy, hell most cracks are ready before something even launches these days. Pirates > all
http://www.threadless.com/product/799/zoom.gif - JesperL, on 05/24/2008, -4/+207You dumbass, that's whaling.
Pirates use cannons, swords and RPGs. - FadieZ, on 05/24/2008, -7/+181It's not like we haven't beaten EVERY ***** encryption technique ever made, but who cares right? This one's gonna work.
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -2/+166Famous last words.
- djrbx, on 05/24/2008, -3/+154If they're trying to do for the PC what companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo has done for the console to prevent piracy, good luck. All three consoles have already been modified to play back up games. I give them credit for trying, it will deter most people from modifying their systems. Granted it would take an extra step such as a mod chip or a soft mod through a security hole in the firmware, but wither way, it will be cracked.
- loganhid, on 05/24/2008, -2/+141Pirates will find a way around it......Just look at the psp scene - everything sony does, the pirates are always a step ahead
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -108/+243Piracy is one of the worlds oldest professions. We can't be stopped.
MAN THE HARPOONS!! - kronaslor, on 05/24/2008, -7/+125It will be interesting to see what comes of this.... the PC gaming platform has some huge cracks in it.... Piracy is just one of the bricks in a very complex wall.. I still doubt a chip could stop all piracy.... i think it will end up just slowing it down temporarily...
- revslowmo, on 05/24/2008, -1/+112Ok its official, people don't get it, encrypting something only works if it never gets unencrypted, once it gets decrypted it can be copied out because I cant listen to encrypted music, it would sound bad. It only works if people on both sides can be trusted, not just one side.
- cowholio4, on 05/24/2008, -1/+110Within two days of release, we will see "TPM Bypassed By 13 Year Old Boy In Norway" on Digg
- aimhelix, on 05/24/2008, -5/+107In a few years, we will see that thumbnail with the words "FAIL" on it.
- greevar, on 05/24/2008, -19/+113Forcing consumers to use these TPM based PC's to play PC games will do only one thing: Make people stop buying PC games altogether. I will not buy ANY games that support this type of tyrannical control of a person's own property. The fact that they want to do this kind of invasive control is proof to all that they have no control in the first place.
- ortucis, on 05/24/2008, -1/+80Role Playing Games are lethal.
- gannondork, on 05/24/2008, -1/+77Maybe they live on a houseboat and those pesky pirates captured it.
- TokenBlack, on 05/24/2008, -3/+79"I've seen people lose their homes [because of piracy]"
You've got to be ***** kidding me - cquinnd, on 05/24/2008, -2/+72Because governments, financial institutions, and other corporations that feel a need to protect their data in various ways will be more likely to embrace such technology. But activating the technology will always be optional.
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -10/+63Atari you are so right, just look at how well your company and its most recent console gaming went over.
- pensel, on 05/24/2008, -2/+52...Apple doesn't use TPM.
That was only a rumor in the time leading up to the Intel machines, and it wasn't true. - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -0/+49Oh its possible, but its more like "Oh, our stock went down a couple points this quarter, there is also an economic recession but whatever, we're going to blame piracy, fire you, then tell people pirates took your house."
- wontstoptalking, on 05/24/2008, -5/+47I don't think they get it. You CAN'T stop piracy. No matter what means you go to to make sure your media is available to the general public, there is a way one of them can get that on the internets. Or, in a more unprofessional and scary way, through the alleys of New York. Along with some other stuff.
- Emnsta, on 05/24/2008, -10/+49http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-13 ...
- eggdog14, on 05/24/2008, -1/+40There should be a running pool on how long it would take to be cracked or removed (should it actually be implemented).
My Bet: 10 Hours. - shinythingy, on 05/24/2008, -5/+41The PS3 has been modified to play back ups? Link?
- mark076h, on 05/24/2008, -1/+36are you serious? FPS are made to be played on the PC
- trogdor282, on 05/24/2008, -1/+36Dunno about the PS3. But I do know the 360 - as soon as pirates realized that the CPU hypervisor was insanely hard to crack, they just hacked the DVD drive firmware. Security is only as strong as the weakest link. Good luck Atari mwahahahhaha
- gannondork, on 05/24/2008, -7/+41http://youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI
The Pirate Bay has issued the following video blog, commenting on the article. - insomniac8400, on 05/24/2008, -0/+34Anyone care to list manufacturers installing this garbage. The easiest way to prevent some dump chip from making it into hardware is to boycott all those manufacturers. The chip will be dropped really fast.
- ChayesFSS, on 05/24/2008, -4/+38This dude must be able to sell ice to eskimos. Can't believe someone could be so dumb...
- WCL23, on 05/24/2008, -4/+36Trusted Computing will NEVER find its way on to any computer I own. Seriously, ***** off. What I do with my computer is my own damn business.
- Stormwern, on 05/24/2008, -1/+33Return the game and get a cracked version that doesn't prompt for tpm
- FeargusMcDuff, on 05/24/2008, -3/+32Well as much as the Digg in me wants me to say 'Oh no, I can't pirate bay Crysis anymore!', this probably is for the best guys, even though I seriously doubt you can beat open source hackers because where there's a will, there's a way, and those guys have so much will.
I'll be interested to see if this means that there will be a greater demand for motherboards without this chip, even if ones after the last one is made without the chip are better. - digitalarcanum, on 05/24/2008, -0/+27that's the thing about hardware and software, you can put encryption chips on mainboards that prevents piracy as they claim, but someone can just write a crack that sends the firmware a false "all clear!" message, much like NoCD cracks work, fooling the software into thinking everything is fine.
where there's a will, there's a way. - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -2/+28Yes, but for people who buy motherboards directly, they are a much larger percentage.
- Aikidi, on 05/24/2008, -0/+26by "losing homes" i think he meant "paid vacation bonuses were reduced for CEOs"
its called a recession, and you're selling a luxury. game over. - witcompe, on 05/24/2008, -8/+32I know I am going to get buried for this, but here it goes. As a PC gamer the quality and number of games has dwindled in the past few years. I believe that piracy has a little bit to do with this. I also believe that the accessibility of consoles like the XB360, Wii, PS3 etc also have a lot to do with the decline of the PC gaming industry. The fact of the matter is, if PC gamers want companies to continue to invest in PC based projects, then the consumer HAS to buy the product. If you want to download a game to try it out, fine. But if you continue to play the game, buy it. If you like the game, buy the game. Simple as that. I would hate to see great games like GTA IV never make it to the PC because of piracy concerns.
With that said, companies also need to stop penalizing paying customers by having the awful protection schemes (see SecureROM) that makes the pirated games easier to install and use on a day to day bases. Both sides of the fence, companies and consumers, need to change in order to save PC gaming.
Commence the burying. - bincoder, on 05/24/2008, -1/+25I'm too cheap to buy another video card to play games. What makes Mr. Atari think i'm going to buy a new pc with an encryption chip and then start shopping for games?
- t0x2c, on 05/24/2008, -4/+27Rocket propelled grenades wtf?
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -1/+24One person invented money. Another person invented piracy. Go figure!
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -6/+28All of you seem to miss the true meaning behind TPM. I don't blame anyone because the article doesn't explain anything either.
TPM isn't a curse by anti-piracy vendors, it's a blessing for anyone who wants privacy or security. TPM could be used for anti piracy, but it's intended to help stop malware, help encrypt your data at high rates (Imagine having a video conference with a friend and all of that is encrypted), and help authenticate you when you log on to your bank account. This is why business and users will buy TPM. This is why TPM will become widespread. This is why one day, TPM will be in every computer, and no "I wanna be able to crack software boycott" is going to stop this. - dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -2/+23Dugg up for Starcraft.
My wife for hire! um.. ha? oh.. My life for Aiur! - AlgnPelotudo, on 05/24/2008, -2/+22no manual entry for the harpoons
- Terasiel, on 05/24/2008, -0/+19It's a good thing that the people who design computers and various parts are never pirates themselves, or share the methods for bypassing embedded security measures. Yep, they're just good people who have no interest in obtaining entertainment freely.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 05/24/2008, -10/+29Gimme a break. The best games will always be on PC.
Most console games only last about 15-20 hours of play and then they're finished.
Starcraft, WoW, Guildwars, Quake, Half-Life, CounterStrike, ...
Not suited for a console.
I mean look what happened when they ported Gears of War from XBox360 to PC, the game balance offset wildly because the sniper rifle was way too good with a mouse. Halo controls get owned by keyboard and mouse.
PC also supports game pads, just nobody makes people buy them. I have a usb xbox360 controller that plugs in and works fine in Windows.
I entirely agree with you about the chip. DVD Jon would crack that in a matter of months. - Roland1232, on 05/24/2008, -2/+21The hell it will.
- boodog, on 05/24/2008, -3/+21What an old idiot!
Yes you made your money off of selling software. Your an innovator are you not? Innovate a solution. One would be online gaming! - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -1/+17That is until the software is duped by a TPM emulator,
http://tpm-emulator.berlios.de
TPM is not a panacea and was never meant to be - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -1/+17No, everything is hackable. The most secure computer you'll ever see is one that doesn't turn on.
Trust me, there is no such thing as "not hackable" - As soon as companies start to pull that, the ***** goes crazy. I hope there's an all out war for hackers to defeat this solution, just like every other so called "unhackable" software and hardware solution out there.
The driver level is where it /really/ gets interesting though. Hacking the inevitable software sides of TPM will definitely create viable ways to bypass it. -
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