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- iuron, on 11/04/2009, -2/+112he gon blow your heads out with a air pump gun!
no country for old men.
***** ass is a crazy son of a bitch. - Powerfan5000, on 11/04/2009, -1/+111http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/tech_games ...
- dumbum, on 11/04/2009, -1/+97Perfect list, but is that really the best picture of Locke you could find? Then again, yeah it probably was
- JBurds, on 11/04/2009, -1/+77This chart and a lot of people commenting don't seem to get the alignment system.
It seems like a lot of misunderstanding about the alignment system stems from confusion about which standards law/chaos and good/evil are held to. In general, it seems fair to say that good/evil exist in reference to an outside standard of good and evil while law/chaos describe the actual tendencies of the person (external with good/evil vs internal with law/chaos).
For example, one is not lawful simply because they abide by the laws of society. Rather, they are lawful if they act in a manner that aligns with a particular code or set of principles, regardless of whether these principles align with society. Thus, one can be lawful and still break society's laws.
Conversely, chaotic doesn't so much imply a tendency toward randomness as it does a distaste for authority and order. While lawful people define themselves with codes and principles, chaotic people define themselves by actively avoiding or undermining such rigid standards.
As for the good/evil thing, that stems from more of a Judeo-Christian notion of good and evil (mercy, altruism, respect for life vs. selfishness to the detriment of others, malice, cruelty) and exists as an absolute standard; a person is not good just because they think they are good.
Basically, the law vs chaos axiom refers to the manner in which a person acts, whereas the good vs evil axiom refers to the motivations and outcomes of the acts themselves. Thus, the values and laws of society are only relevant to a person's alignment if they put some stake in them, either by aligning their own moral code with that of society or by actively avoiding or undermining it. - sibernetik, on 11/04/2009, -4/+76i still prefer this one: http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ...
- sibernetik, on 11/04/2009, -1/+56
Lawful Good: John Locke / Lost
Neutral Good: Dwight / Sin City
Chaotic Good: Rorschach / Watchmen
Lawful Neutral: Junior / Indiana Jones
True Neutral: Niko Belic / Grand Theft Auto 4
Chaotic Neutral: Tyler Durden / Fight Club
Lawful Evil: Darth Vader / Star Wars
Neutral Evil: Anton Chigurh / No Country For Old Men
Chaotic Evil: The Joker / Batman: The Dark Knight - dawgma, on 11/04/2009, -0/+48I think Locke belongs more in the Neutral Good category. He "typically acts altruistically, without regard for or against Lawful precepts such as rules or tradition". He will do whatever it takes to discover the secrets of the Island, but he believes this is the right thing to do.
Would batman be Lawful Good? He never harms innocents and always tries to prevent taking a life. He also sends all criminals he apprehends to the police so that their punishment is given through the justice system. If so, it makes an interesting dynamic, batman being at the top left and the joker being at the bottom right of this matrix.
edit: on second thought.. no. he would not be lawful good because he does a lot of things that are outside of the law. he has strong morals, but he is not lawful good. i wonder who would be, then? - CBKBAMF, on 11/04/2009, -0/+41Definitely treat yourself to watching this movie. Tommy Lee Jones is fantastic in it, and the guy in the screen cap will creep you out way more than you would think.
No Country For Old Men. - dawgma, on 11/04/2009, -0/+37Captain America.. that's about as lawful good as you can get, I think.
- Wakkyweed, on 11/04/2009, -0/+36Mr. Babyman's alignment is True Repost.
- had3l, on 11/04/2009, -1/+33http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs48/f/2009/166/0/d/Nin ...
- mkriss5681, on 11/04/2009, -0/+30You need to frame in in D&D terms such as Chaotic Gay, ect...
- SurrealDream, on 11/04/2009, -1/+28AngryDeuce, how much have you ever lost on a coin toss?
- SurrealDream, on 11/04/2009, -2/+28The most. You ever lost. On a coin toss.
- Shawn4168, on 11/04/2009, -0/+25Dugg for Chaotic Evil.
- fordistumley, on 11/04/2009, -0/+24I can't believe nobody's said this yet - Superman!
- lolwatermelon, on 11/04/2009, -0/+23That's actually a pretty good picture of Locke.
- LennyLeonard, on 11/04/2009, -1/+21http://ebprice.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/john-lo ...
- Ryuuken117, on 11/04/2009, -4/+24Rorschach is obviously Lawful Neutral. I don't know where this "Chaotic Good" BS comes from. Chaotic Good is more like Han Solo or the new Captain Kirk.
- lukas88, on 11/05/2009, -1/+21A little more complex than it needs to be.
Spectrum A
Lawful: promoting order/balance
Neutral: disregard of order/balance
Chaotic: promoting disorder/imbalance
Spectrum B
Good: actions intended to benefit others
Neutral: disregard of whether actions benefit/harm others
Evil: actions intended to harm others - tekwrtr, on 11/04/2009, -0/+19Superman is prototypical Lawful Good.
- Wakkyweed, on 11/04/2009, -0/+18Both wrong - Rorschach is actually Lawful Good. Everything to his is black or white, you are either with him or against him. Remeber, when it comes to moral ambiguity his response is "No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise."
He may seem to work outside of the law, but that's only because he believes those in power have been corrupted and are no longer worth following. In his heart is is truly Lawful Good. - gizram84, on 11/04/2009, -0/+17fail...
Neutral Good = Sin City
Chaotic Good = Watchmen - 1234brandon, on 11/04/2009, -0/+16Dear God, I just had an image in my mind of what chaotic gay would look like...it wasn't good.
- Nidor, on 11/04/2009, -0/+16Batman is all of the above apparently.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PdnZ8gzHzOw/SrEXSJKHWmI/ ... - KingKeys, on 11/05/2009, -0/+15TF2.
Dugg, always. - AngryDeuce, on 11/04/2009, -2/+16Wha...?
- Hetman, on 11/04/2009, -0/+14He is kind of like two face. He will do evil or good. It all depends on the flip of a coin.
- inactive, on 11/04/2009, -1/+14Masterful.
- JBurds, on 11/04/2009, -2/+15"Lawful" isn't necessarily characterized by the accepted laws of a society; rather, it refers to an adherence to a particular set of principles or a code (which can still be based upon the laws of society). Thus, as long as he doesn't compromise his principles, and his principles are dedicated to promoting good, he would probably be considered lawful good.
Conversely, a chaotic good person may still have principles but would be willing to compromise them if the greater good necessitated it (stealing to feed starving people, for example).
As for bond, he would probably be lawful neutral or just neutral.
Also, Rorschach should probably be lawful neutral in that he adheres to a particular code which I would say isn't centered so much around good as it is dedicated to preserving society by removing those elements that endanger or compromise it.
/nerdiness - Managua8Green, on 11/04/2009, -2/+14shia lebouf?
- mkriss5681, on 11/04/2009, -1/+13What alignment would MrBabyMan be?
- Louken, on 11/04/2009, -0/+12The Ark didn't nuke him because he didn't look at it.
- ultimusgt, on 11/04/2009, -5/+16gay
:x - lukas88, on 11/05/2009, -0/+11Because many seemed confused, here it is in the simplest terms:
The first spectrum is in regard to a sense of balance in nature or society. Characters who value a orderly or stable system are lawful, those who detest it (perhaps because it is boring or unfair) are chaotic.
Lawful: promoting order/balance
Neutral: disregard of order/balance
Chaotic: promoting disorder/imbalance
The second spectrum is specific to whether the behavior is intended to benefit or harm others.
Good: actions intended to benefit others
Neutral: disregard of whether actions benefit/harm others
Evil: actions intended to harm others
Here are phrases that coincide with each alignment category:
-Lawful good: "Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
-Neutral good: "The greatest good for the greatest number of people"
-Chaotic good: "Steal from the rich, give to the poor"
-Lawful neutral: "You must obey the law, even when it means someone will be hurt"
-True neutral: "Live in the moment, that is all there is"
-Chaotic neutral: "Steal from the rich, give to myself"
-Lawful evil: "Pain and suffering is the best way to control people"
-Neutral evil: "Their screams are like music to my ears"
-Chaotic evil: "Steal from the rich and from the poor, and then go burn down an orphanage" - Garjon, on 11/04/2009, -1/+12Batman is the _perfect_ example of Lawful Good.
He may not follow the law of the land, but he does have a code of conduct that he follows. He is orderly and precise, does nothing truly randomly. - jon30041, on 11/04/2009, -0/+11You shouldn't count the Civil War arc. Because it sucked.
- Mujokan, on 11/04/2009, -0/+10In D&D, good people kill people every second round.
- valetudomexican, on 11/04/2009, -2/+119 nails hit on their heads.
- dawgma, on 11/04/2009, -0/+9I know.. General Adama would be a lawful good character.
- SurrealDream, on 11/04/2009, -0/+9Jesus Shoebox639, geek more.
- Powerfan5000, on 11/04/2009, -0/+9Only if you don't count the Civil War arc.
- drunkenkite, on 11/05/2009, -0/+7http://shhac.info/x/b/lawful_good_2.jpg
Best lawful good ever imo. - BLyday, on 11/04/2009, -1/+8You ninja'd me. First thing I thought was No effin way Rorshach is Chaotic Good.
- SurrealDream, on 11/04/2009, -0/+7River Phoenix, come on.
- TrevorBradley, on 11/04/2009, -0/+6Thanks!
- Mujokan, on 11/04/2009, -0/+6No way Rorschach is chaotic. He has an extremely rigid code that he lives by at any cost. He hates chaos, stemming from his mother's chaotic life. Whether you count him as evil, good or neutral is more debatable. He sees himself as good, but more important than that for him is action and control. That's why I'd classify him as LN.
- TheLee, on 11/04/2009, -1/+7By the way the chart describes it, darth vader would _not_ be lawful evil. If all he does is obey the emperor's orders, he is in fact lawful neutral, that is, he obeys order regardless of the moral compass of the actions.
Lawful evil would be someone who obeys laws/a set or ordered rules, but essentially subverting them for self-gain at the expense of others. IE, palpatine _before_ he becomes emperor is essentially lawful evil, as he's using the legal framework of the galactic senate to amass dictatorial power.
Similarly, chirurgh (the guy from No Country for Old Men in the neutral evil cell) would be lawful evil, _not_ neutral evil. The movie makes a point about how chirurgh (sp?) is essentially a highly principled person, even if normal people wouldn't necessarily understand it. Rather than pursuing evil for its own pursuits, he's just psychopathic in a disciplined, regimented manner.
I can't believe i just wrote all that about D&D alignments. - stk198323, on 11/04/2009, -0/+6James bond would be hard to class. In a way the law that applies to him he never breaks them (licensed to kill) but in the same time he needs to break a lot of ''regular laws'' to do his job which would class him in neutral good.
Hard to say, I guess it depends on the wya you put it:
From his set of laws: Lawful good
From society set of laws: Neutral good - AngryDeuce, on 11/04/2009, -9/+15Ok, I'm probably displaying my ignorance here. but what movie/show is neutral evil from? The rest are easy, but for some reason I just can't place it...
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