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BioShock/SecuROM customer support at its finest... [pic]

img.photobucket.com — Got a problem with your new copy BioShock? Just drop an email.

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  • Freakboy380, on 10/10/2007, -57/+7hehehe
  • vampireblood, on 11/07/2007, -28/+117Digg up! show these ***** who's boss!
    • gcpeart, on 11/07/2007, -56/+11Perhaps the individual shouldn't have tried to install his single licenses on multiple machines...
      • andycr512, on 11/07/2007, -9/+50Exactly WHAT is wrong with installing YOUR copy of the game YOU bought on as many of YOUR computers as you wish?
        • sctwp09, on 11/07/2007, -63/+13You didn't but the GAME, you bought a license to play in on one computer. Stop with this "it's my right" crap.
          • GawtMilk, on 11/07/2007, -5/+1Agreed. It's tiresome.

            Who the ***** installs a game on five different computers? Seriously?
          • shawnz, on 11/07/2007, -1/+3agreed, but licenses are a bad idea in the first place.
        • Optimaximal, on 11/07/2007, -39/+6Exactly... I don't know why people suddenly the inability to grasp the concept of software licensing the second online activation appears out of the woodwork - It's been around for about 20 years.

          They say the pickup in the I.T. industry is tailing off... Maybe it's just the younger generation of g4mers whose only concept of I.T. is 'where's the controller'.
          • GoldYoshi, on 11/07/2007, -1/+10You sound like those RIAA bastards. GTFO of digg!
        • reed311, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14Why would you want to install the game on more than two of your computers at once? I know that you should be able to and I'm not arguing that you they shouldn't allow you to, but what advantage do you have installing bioshock on three computers? 2K allows it to be installed on two computers at once, so this person would have had to install it on more than two. Which either means that person has several computers in seperate rooms and is too lazy to walk to them or has several laptops they want it installed to. Either way, they can afford a second copy of Bioshock. Kind of like buying one copy of windows and installing it on every machine.
          • mexicanman07, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3its not 2 computers at once it two installs ever so if your computer crashes and you have to reinstall everything it counts as your second install
        • supernovasky, on 11/07/2007, -7/+11Why would you want to install it on as many computers as you wish?
          BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE 2 OR MORE COMPUTERS THEY USE DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS AND WHERE THEY ARE!

          How much simpler can I make it out to be?

          I dont GIVE A ***** that bioshock doesnt want me doing that, ***** THEM. It's going to be cracked sooner or later to allow you to do whatever the ***** you want with it, and the only one who is losing out is bioshock, who is losing customers based off of this stupidity.
        • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Did you read the forum post in the pic. It says that even if you tried to reinstall the game you'd the get the error, which is retarded in my opinion.
    • brundlefly76, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Nicely done by integrating the graphic! Really gets the point across succinctly.
    • Kratisto, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3Vampireblood, you appear to have confused an internet news site with a site about which someone actually cares. Post it on a building, if you want. The only people that see it here are people who will hear about it anyway.
  • mookiemookie, on 10/10/2007, -13/+205I was going to buy the PC version (keyboard-and-mouse fan here), but after hearing about all of this trouble I'm glad I went with the 360 version.

    Still digging because this is ***** I don't want to see spread to other PC games.
    • dukeochutney, on 10/10/2007, -41/+5w/e just don't reformat before you uninstall bioshock not a big deal.
      • Weebs43, on 10/10/2007, -4/+28Sometimes it's necessary to reformat without being able to boot into your drive (Has happened to me), and it's not like Bioshock is on our minds 24/7. If your someone like who me who reformats often or really at all, this will be a pain in the ass if you forget to uninstall the game.....were you honestly to lazy to type whatever?
        • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -18/+3If thats the case, just run the installer again. As they clearly state, the game is activated based on a hardware and software fingerprint. If you just do a straight reinstall (hardware failure is an issue), you should therefore get the same hardware key and should be able to run the imminent 'deregister' program and solve your problems
      • Asianwaste, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Haw. Let me tell you a story. I reformatted my comp a while back. I have a legit copy of Win XP but still the installer insists that I have installed this copy on too many computers because I reformat too many times. So now whenever I do reformat, I have to call Windows tech support, which make me enter a code that's over 30 digits long (and it's not the serial. It's some other ridiculous code), which STILL doesn't work because I guess my copy has been flagged or something. After 3 tries of doing so, I will be transfered to an Indian tech support guy who has a very heavy accent that is hard to understand. Which by the way I should have had the option to be transfered to before I have to enter this long ass code 3 times. So anyways, I got 1 Indian dude, and he hung up on my ass because I asked him to repeat way too many times and he thought I was being rude. Soooo guess who had to enter a ***** code 3 times over again before transfered to another less sensitive Indian guy. The whole process took me over an hour and a half. Now I have to hesitate formatting my comp.

        Now imagine doing this ***** just for a game. By the way, sometimes you wouldn't have the option to uninstall before a reformat. Sometimes your comp can go kaput and Windows won't boot. Windows is like that sometimes.
    • popstop785, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3Amen man. I love the PC but I got the 360 version. Now I am glad I did so. I have 4 capable gaming PCs and would just be freakin pissed if I couldn't install the game on them all.
      • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6You can... They upped the available installations too 5.
        • gromnie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24And they will still install a rootkit on each and every one. Yay!
    • BooDaddy69, on 10/10/2007, -5/+37Even though you bought the 360 version of the game you are STILL SUPPORTING this whole DRM bullcrap!!! The real solution is to put your dollars somewhere else
      • jonnyeh, on 10/10/2007, -22/+4Your logic does not follow. The 360 game has no DRM, beyond what every other next-gen console has.
        You just sound bitter that PC gaming dying because of DRM.
        • cesclaveria, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19The point is that you are still supporting a company, and a game, that is limiting your freedom with this DRM crap.
          The dollars are going to the same company (and some to MS in top of that)
          • CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Er... if the sales of the 360 version are much higher than the PC version then that'll show them how strongly people feel about the crippleware in the PC version.
        • Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1bah I fail at reading >_<
          • nickj6282, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1As my 5 year old likes to tell his mother: "You fail at life!"

            He got spanked for that one, but still goddamn funny.
      • ernasty10050, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8I don't care, I have to play this game :(
        I bought it for 360.
        • HalFTW, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Pirate it, then buy it later if they remove the DRM.
      • RyanBlueThunder, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Stop this petty nonsense about DRM. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? Get with the times...for digital content to survive in this day and age, reasonable measures MUST be taken to allow private companies to protect content and license its use. Otherwise, content providers will lose out, and the parasites in Washington will step in and determine (arbitrarily) that measures must be taken (arbitrarily). DRM is about self-regulating the industry and keeping the parasites away. DRM is the only way for individuals (like Irrational games) to control distribution of what they own, and DRM is (smartly) founded on basic principles of private enterprise. People were unhappy with a 2 install limitation. The market has spoken. DRM remains and now the consumer has 5 installations. Seems reasonable, right Atlas?
        • dggeek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7DRM does not prevent pirating. It never has. No DRM exists that can't be cracked. Crackers like to do it for fun and reputation. The harder to crack, the better.

          The only people that DRM hurts are those that try to get the game legitimately.
      • Chompy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, that'll teach 'em! Oh, wait..

        Personally, I was going to buy the PC version, but now I'm going to wait for the inevitable "we give up" patch that un-cripples this game. You'd think these idiots would know better by now, all this does is discourage people from buying the game. The pirated version is actually better than the product you expect to charge money for!
    • jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -11/+30I am not buying *ANY* version of this game. Quit supporting this crap. People that buy the 360 version are just enabling this facism.
      • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Digital facism, ha that's nice.
      • tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20First they came for the music lover, and I did not speak out
        because I was not a music lover.

        Then they came for the movie lovers, and I did not speak out
        because I was not a movie lover.

        Then they cam for the PC gamers, and I did not speak out
        because I was not a PC gamer.

        Then they came for the 360 gamers
        and there was no one left to speak for me.
        • CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Buried for a wholly unnecessary exploitation of a quote that was originally about the Holocaust. Go get some ***** perspective.
      • ScottMaximus1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You melodramatic pissant. Stop being such a douchebag
    • snapcase, on 10/10/2007, -9/+15You daft bastard. Buying PC or 360 is lining their pockets just the same. You should have just waited and pirated the ***** game.
      • mookiemookie, on 10/10/2007, -13/+5I fail to see how choosing the DRM free version of the game is supporting DRM, but hey, you sooooo totally told me over the internet! Awesome!

        I don't want to take money out of the pockets of people who create great games, so I'll send my message by buying the non-crippled version. So kindly piss off.
        • lcmatt, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I fail to see how choosing the DRM free version of the game is supporting DRM, but hey, you sooooo totally told me over the internet! Awesome!
          ---
          Its not DRM free, your 360 has DRM but its built into the hardware making it harder to play backed up games.
    • worldsbestgamer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Right. Because I am so sure that you can play the 360 game on 10 360s at once.
      • joegibes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No, but if you buy an Elite or have to send your 360 to Microsoft for repairs, you can still play the game JUST FINE.
    • cloudyprison, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5I'm sad to say it, but their killing the PC Gaming industry. All this DRM crap made me go with the 360 version. Yes I'm still 'omgx0rz sprting DRM hax!', but I'm also supporting 2k for the efforts of making the game. Look who is the publisher, hmmm Microsoft. I'm sure they had no say in the requirement of this Malware root kit.
    • eonblu, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3Steam FTW. No hassle whatsoever.
      • HalFTW, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11The game has the same restrictions on Steam.
      • Asianwaste, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2He's right. But I still think Steam's awesome.
      • ScottMaximus1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Steam does rule. I will buy on Steam more often after this good experience.
        • CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah Steam is sooooo awesome. Forcing you to keep a 30mb piece of spyware running in the background whenever you want to run the game you bought legitimately. If there was ever a justification for unauthorised copying of games (which != piracy, read UNCLOS ffs), Steam (and this nonsense with Bioshock) is it.
    • Asianwaste, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8It's only a matter of time before people are entering CD-Keys on consoles.
    • SeBBBe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm guily of buying the PC version of this game =( It's incredibly good.
  • acu8509, on 10/10/2007, -13/+277I can't believe i actually bought this game with all this ***** on it. All i saw was "10/10, 9/10, 9.5/10" but no mention of the extra crap in any review. WHAT THE HELL!
    • culturedredneck, on 10/10/2007, -3/+52this is a great point. i rarely run into much install/activation/security/privacy info in a pc game review. this issue is important to many consumers and is directly related to the enjoyability of the software purchased. it should be addressed in a comprehensive review.
    • DrogoStratics, on 10/10/2007, -30/+17I've not had a single problem with BioShock. No freezing, crashing, or any other bugs.

      I believe there is just a very vocal minority that is creating some sensationalist claims and comments.
      • NebCanuck, on 10/10/2007, -7/+12Or perhaps you are a member of a very blessed minority who happen to get it working fine? Have you had a whole lot of other people telling you that theirs work fine? Yes, online it sometimes happens that a minority is crabby. But you using yourself as evidence hardly outweighs the dozens of angry people on this site. Once you can give us a majority that is larger than the "minority", we'll talk.
        • 0xbaadf00d, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20satisfied people don't post about how satisfied they are, its common knowledge that people who have problems bitch much more. Oh, and it works fine for me!
      • Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10The guy you're commenting on isn't having problems with any freezing, crashing, or any other bugs.
        The problem is about playing BioShock in a scenario SecuROM/2KGames don't think is "common enough" to care to support well.
    • jonnyeh, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33Probably because the reviewers don't notice the DRM problem. They install, play, and write a review. They don't upgrade their PC in the middle of that, or try to install it on a 3rd PC.
      • Stonedonkey, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Review discs also won't have DRM, except in very rare cases. If the publisher is that protective of the content, the game is usually just played on-site, at the development studio.
      • Stonedonkey, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yeah, OK, dig me down. I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about. No one on Digg actually has a professional connection to these topics. We're a bunch of random cubicle jockeys clicking on links.
        • gbro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I dug you up. I'm assuming you're the TQ Stonedonkey.
    • h4mx0r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24PCGamer slammed it on their blog.
    • UwasaWaya, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Man, I'm glad I picked up the 360 version...

      I was so psyched about the PC version, but didn't have a machine that could run it. All this security ***** just makes it that much clearer I made the right call.

      I mean seriously... I understand the industry's need for security, but do they even THINK this ***** through? What, no one there even considers that someone might... *gasp* reformat their computer occasionally?

      Oh well... least we got tallscreen support finally...
    • joegibes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Plus advanced reviews aren't usually the retail copy -- they're either preinstalled on a computer or just different. That's why CGW (now Games for Windows mag) slammed HL2 in their review (steam issues) -- and said that they'll usually wait now for the retail version.
    • XHashmeerX, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Game reviewers review the game. I never heard Ebert and Roper complain about driving to the theater.
      • GorfTron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3How is Ebert? I hope he gets better.
      • cbc5791, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This analogy isn't quite right. For instance, game reviewers also take price into consideration, whereas movie reviewers don't.
      • Chompy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If certain movies had hulking, stinking bouncers that frisked you three times and shoved you around while emptying your pockets, all while you watched a bunch of other people sneak in behind them through a wide-open back door to get in un-hassled (and free), then movie reviewers might mention that in their reviews, yes.
    • Genma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4securom is a piece of *****, they have an awsome track record of ruining good games. look at supreme commander, they were forced to strip it from the game entirely by their second patch, thus defeating the purpose of using it to begin with.
      • drachemorder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah, and I decided to buy Supreme Commander after I heard that they stripped it. So they gained at least one sale by doing the right thing and ditching DRM.
  • tektalk, on 10/10/2007, -27/+7Oh yeah drop an Email ! Like that would help. Customer service is the best with 2k games and their activation, I would trust them with my life too since they're THAT reliable.
  • daridave, on 10/10/2007, -45/+7Wow, you stole something from Kotaku. That's retarded and gay at the same time.
    • djSyndrome, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18Because Kotaku never steals anything from anyone else, right?
    • dagnabbit, on 10/10/2007, -4/+47Actually, I saw this in a 2k forum thread, thought it was hilarious, and linked directly to the hosted image. Just checked Kotaku, and sure enough there it is. The kicker, Kotaku says, "Image courtesy of nofrag.com". So Kotaku didn't originate the picture either. I guess what I'm trying to say is, ***** off.
    • CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What exactly does someone's sexuality have to do with copyright infringement?
  • petedee, on 10/10/2007, -7/+35Pretty horrible customer service. Please god I hope the steam version doesn't suffer from the same problems
    • loneraven, on 10/10/2007, -3/+39It does.
    • lolhax, on 10/10/2007, -2/+32My friend bought BioShock from Steam a few hours ago. And it doesn't even activate:

      "Activation FAILED: server error - application not found"

      ***** them. I'm not letting this game anywhere near my PC.
      • Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16When this stuff about paranoid copy protections bite them in the ass, it's really beyond me how they think it'll increase their profits. Because that is indeed based on theories a lot, and how they "expect" pirates to behave otherwise. I mean, they're getting bad PR from this, and some/many can not even play right, for what... That people won't get a torrent on The Pirate Bay...? Sorry, but there already is one. I just don't get it... It's a lost war, and if they think it'll stop "casual" pirates, well, the "casual pirate" *is* the one who leech from those sites.
      • Chompy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2***** they're ***** *driving* honest people to pirate. I'm not going to pay someone money for this BS. Hey 2K: I want to play your game, I want to give you money, but you're simply making it too difficult.
    • rzurad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15I preordered the game on steam because I figured that it wouldn't have securom on it because steam already has a drm scheme and that would just be redundant, but I was wrong. Seeing as how Steam has no refund policy, I will not feel guilty when I play the pirated version seeing as how I already paid for it.
      • CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Steam will probably issue a patch removing the garbage in a month or two. They did the same with the Starforce malware in Trackmania United.
    • kutateli, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11I bought it through Steam on the day it came out. After installing it I immediately ran into a problem with SecuRom. I installed it using my computer's Admin account and tried to play it on my regular account but a SecuROM error wouldn't let me. (Said something about activation or serial key being wrong or missing.. BS) I fixed the problem by deleting a SecuRom reg key in REGEDIT and it worked fine after that.. but the whole experience was annoying as hell.
    • RudeAndReckless, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I have it on steam... haven't had a single problem... (running Vista Home Premium).
    • igbw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2yeah no problem here with my steam install on xp.
    • ScottMaximus1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No problems here on Steam in Vista Ultimate
  • JTMON, on 10/10/2007, -31/+7Yes little children, this is why you don't immediately buy a game based on reviews alone...duh!
    • dukeochutney, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9moron
      • Fhwqhgads, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6He's got a point. This is what happens when everyone eats up the latest flavor of the month on release day. They get ***** like this.

        and of course the company will never openly disclose this ***** ahead of time (only perhaps bury it deep within EULA's that nobody reads)
    • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6YES! Base it on the demo, which doesn't have activation problems!
  • Aquilae, on 10/10/2007, -6/+48Just dont try sending them more than 2 emails. If you do, I'm they'll just bounce back!

    Good job with the epic fail, 2kG!
    • Aquilae, on 10/10/2007, -9/+0:P I'm SURE they'll just bounce back! Where's my morning coffee!?
  • litolist, on 10/10/2007, -4/+62Poor stick figure. :-(
  • kz26, on 10/10/2007, -4/+150No worries...that's what GameCopyWorld is for!
    • ayeroxor, on 10/10/2007, -3/+127Exactly. The end result of ALL copy protection in the HISTORY of computerkind: Legitimate customers are *****, and people who download cracked copies end up having fewer problems.

      Great incentive.
      • NnyCW, on 10/10/2007, -2/+48That's the history of DRM actually. Hell, ever buy a movie on DVD and be told you're going to jail if you pirate it before you're forced to sit through some movie trailers?

        The entire system is flawed when those that steal get the better package and those that purchase are treated as criminals. There will always be people who steal, always, give your paying customers something to pay for rather than trying to drive them to stealing it for the better deal.
      • roosterx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I wish i could digg this comment more than one time.

        10x diggs for you.
    • dukeochutney, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15just give a couple weeks and you'll be able to steer the activation to a fake website and then crack the .exe
      • kakti, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27Couple of weeks? Hah try a couple of days
    • Smills, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8GameBurnWorld is good too.
      • TridenTBoy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I think they are the same. :-/
      • jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3www.megagames.com is also good and totally different
    • cyberwarriorx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12It's a sad reality when people playing pirated or cracked copies of games have a more enjoyable experience than those that actually buy the games.
  • Rileyper, on 10/10/2007, -25/+11It helps to follow instructions
    Heres the 2K games Info
    US Support
    Phone: 1-866-219-9839
    Email: usa@take2support.com

    Canadian Support
    Phone: 1-800-638-0127
    Email: canada@take2support.com

    Let us know if 2K did something about it
    • djSyndrome, on 10/10/2007, -4/+43It helps if you look at the entire image and understand what's happening (reading may be required). But I'll summarize it for you anyway: 2K is telling the people to contact SecuROM, SecuROM is telling them to contact 2K.
  • toxicityj, on 10/10/2007, -20/+5http://digg.com/pc_games/2K_Responds_Widescreen_patch_Install_limit_patch
  • tchawla, on 10/10/2007, -11/+149Dear 2K,

    You suck. I'm not buying your game anymore. If I pay for a game, I should be able to play it, as much as I want. Even if that means 40 years from now when I've gone through 8+ computers.

    Assholes.
    • vulapine, on 10/10/2007, -28/+4I think the issue they have is playing it concurrently on 8+ computers.
      The email indicates that there is a way to deactivate one of the other installations.
      If only they would tell us how, that would solve all our issues.
      • norman619, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41I tend to do complete reinstalls of my OS fairly regularly because I tinker with my system. I do NOT want to have to call the masters (2K games and SecuROM) for permission to reinstall the game I PAID for.
        • houndeyex, on 10/10/2007, -0/+25Welcome to a world where you own nothing and "license" everything.
          • tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6True. But I neither own nor license Bioshock, and 2K games can thank their DRM for that.
        • vulapine, on 10/10/2007, -13/+1Too bad you screw your computer up so badly and so suddenly by "tinkering" that you don't even know you're going to need to reinstall.
          Of course if you knew you were going to go through a complete reinstall, just uninstall bioshock. duh.
        • Neil990, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0way too think before you post man, the whole idea of this licensing is to prevent multiple copies of the same software. companies have been doing this for years, and i am surprised that they have bent over backwards trying to appease people who for some reason in this day and age don't understand that they would want to protect their very expensive investment from piracy. get this, the provision from their website, i might add, allows for up to 5! computers, and you can uninstall each copy to install it again. i think they have gone very far in appeasing people like yourself. i also format fairly regularly, but i don't find this system obtrusive at all. itunes has a similar limitation for sharing between computers, (5) , and i don't hear too many people bitching about that. grow up you whiny little children.
        • dude187, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2@Neil

          Bioshock IS "bending over backwards", but they're bending over backwards to bundle a "protection" system with their game that prevents a good amount of legitimate customers access to the game they _paid_ for. Them "bending over backwards" to protect their investment is forcing everyone who actually gives them a return on their investment to "bend over backwards" just to use what they paid for. Meanwhile I'm off to The Pirate Bay to download a free, DRM free, and more importantly _hassle free_ version of the game I would have otherwise BOUGHT.

          Grow up and quit buying into this "if we don't protect out 'intellectual property' everyone will endlessly copy it and not give us a dime" dogma that is just plain WRONG.
      • Chompy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah I'm sure the securom servers are still going to be running 5 or 10 years from now. Oh wait they won't. Several months or years from now securom will die, 2K will release a no-activation patch, and several years after that you won't be able to find that patch anywhere. Congratulations, your DVD is now a coaster.
    • mytruckhasdents, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This is the same ***** DVD Xcopy did when they got bought out...
  • escapedspecimen, on 10/10/2007, -3/+35this really sucks, too bad too cuz its a decent game, but these idiots just don't have a clue about customer service
    • toxicityj, on 10/10/2007, -13/+1its a game. how often do you have to call tech support over a game? almost never.
      • andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16When the game has DRM, often.

        And at approximately $40 cost per call, I hope everyone calls them to complain. A nice chunk off their profits and they'll get the point...
    • tedades, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I don't understand why they use securom in the first place, don't they know that:
      SecuROM SUCKS ?
      This is a good reason for some people to use a illegal version instead of the original copy they paid for.
      • magus_melchior, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Oh, I'm sure it was a SecuROM rep with a great pitch ("Install this and you'll never see it on Pirate Bay! Ooga booga!") and a discount.

        That or a contract with SecuROM that they signed a few years ago.
  • Chubakkaz, on 10/10/2007, -13/+5this is very discouraging, I don't mean to sound faggoty, the game is evidently good, but all this drm crap really pisses me off. might not buy. might.
    • v0yeur, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12no worries - you don't sound faggoty at all, just a little *****-y
      not to be confused with assholy, that's something entirely different
    • vulapine, on 10/10/2007, -9/+6Stupid companies wanting to make money. Capitalist pigs!
      You should be able to install the game on as many computers as you want with the same serial number and run them concurrently.
      What? $50 only pays for one license? I don't think so. I should be able to install a million, no a billion copies if I want for $50.
      I know that after shipping and advertisement and paying off gaming magazines for good reviews and paying programmers and play testing and everything, the profit is in the single digits, but that's not my problem.
      Figure it out game manufactures! And you too musicians!
      • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Don't forget TV execs and Movie Producers... They have WAY too much money!
        • vulapine, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Exactly. Trying to entertain us AND make money? Not on my watch!
      • Auscifer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Your right, and also, I should not be able to listen to my CD on more than 1 stereo. Instead of being able to take my latest magazine to my friends to read when I'm bored, I should just have a subscription sent there as well.
        • vulapine, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Hi. Here's a floatation device. There's so many holes in that boat it sank before you hit submit. You can listen to your cd on as many stereos as you want as you have to UNINSTALL the cd first (like you must do with the game). If you, however, make a bunch of copies and give them to your friends who would otherwise buy it. You can take the magazine wherever you go, you just can't photocopy the whole thing and give it away to all your friends who would otherwise buy it. That's where the problem is. You should be able to give the game away to anyone else you want, but you shouldn't keep a copy. I may be way off base, but please tell me how your reasoning works and mine fails.
        • Auscifer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Let's say my mother and father don't live in the same house and I attend college. Why should I have to uninstall the game everytime I want to play _my game_ on a different machine. It sounds like you are saying that in this case, I am pirating the game. In my view I am not, I am simpying using my product in different locations like with a CD or Magazine.
      • nogami, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't be an idiot - all they need to do to fix this problem is to allow as many installs as you like, but only be able to play on ONE of those machines at a time. That's what the Steam authentication system was designed to do - and that's why I bought it on Steam. Unfortunately they decided their own DRM was better, and screwed it up for us Steam users too...
      • tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Vul, they can do whatever they want, but some people are going to pirate and more are not going to buy the game.
  • icsbase, on 10/10/2007, -28/+1Really nice rip from Kotaku. Make something of your own.
    Real source: http://kotaku.com/gaming/bleeding-customers/bioshock-cp-hassles-continue-292603.php
  • Langford, on 10/10/2007, -2/+51How on earth did uninstalling software before a format seem reasonable to them when they designed this system? If others adopted this system, we could expect to have many hours of uninstalls and reboots before formatting a system safely. This had to be thought up by someone who doesn't even use a computer.
    • ScorpionV, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Even if you uninstall you don't get an activation back. They admitted this when gamers were seeing how the activation worked. You used to get TWO activations, and that was it even if you uninstalled. But now they said they are coming out with a tool to actually "deactivate" an install so that you free your activation. It would have been nice to have that tool at release :-/
    • aeoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Basically it is designed by a greedy ***** who does use a computer, but simply doesn't give a rats ass about the larger effects of relying on this kind of software to "enforce" honesty. Basically the companies the do this have a mind that their software is the only one on your computer. They're not thinking "What if everyone starts doing it, how will this impact the user experience?" Nor are they thinking philosophically, if it's truly ethical to do that. All they are concerned with is their naive perception that having a system like that will create more sales (which is not at all true). If you can get more sales by screwing the customer in the ass, then so be it. That's the mindset they have. It's very unfortunate and I hope the market punishes them for it.



      It's not going to be easy for customers to take action, because the game itself is great. It just the "candy wrapper" of securom is *****. That's the problem. I guess the only action a customer can take that doesn't involve ripping themselves off and that only involves hurting securom's business is to download and use a cracked copy. If enough people do that, eventually the fools will give up.
  • Nlewis4, on 10/10/2007, -24/+5So call them and get it fixed. If it wasn't for pirates there wouldn't be a need for securom and the rest. Thank them
    • Beakerz, on 10/10/2007, -20/+2your gay.
    • emrikol, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Yes, because we ALL know that SecuROM and their like have stopped pirates!

      I'm glad that I have CSS on my DVDs to make sure that nobody can make a copy of them!
    • dukeochutney, on 10/10/2007, -12/+1in reality this all goes back to making money. since the companies want to make as much money as possible and not provide a good game they are now making sure that the
      • Fhwqhgads, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9the ..... what?
        • CatalystGhost, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Obviously, he was killed before being allowed to release the secret.
          • tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You should NEVER mess with 2K games.
    • dukeochutney, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6***** this digg commenting sux ass cut off half my comment
      • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6In the two minutes of editing time you have, you spent 1 of those minutes complaining that it cut the comment off. Pro-active use of your time there :)
    • kurttrail, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9ROFL! Those that pirate won't have to deal with SecuROM or the activation hassles. Only the paying customers.

      DRM isn't really about limiting pirates, it's all about limiting the paying customer's choice.
    • BlackJackJester, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Pirates are inevitable. The game is going to be cracked, and there is nothing you can do about it, so the only people suffering are the legit users.
  • sekhui, on 10/10/2007, -12/+8***** photobucket.
  • norman619, on 10/10/2007, -5/+31I learned my lesson with this game. Last time I rush out and buy a game on release day. IF more game companies use crap like this they will basicly be encouraging me to download the pirate version.
    • reed311, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4Exactly, if more stores like Walmart start locking their doors at night, I might just have to start busting out their windows to steal stuff.
      • hoowahman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah but if walmart locked your toaster on you after 2x of use, then the only way of getting a toaster that works is by stealing..so be it.
  • OJdidntdoIT, on 10/10/2007, -27/+3BIOSHOCK ***** SUCKS
    • norman619, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26No the game actually kicks ass. The copy protection sucks ass. Get it right.
    • NnyCW, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Agreed, not true at all. Irrational Games...err, 2K Boston/2K Australlia did a fantastic job developing one of the best games ever made. The publisher 2K Games is to blame for pretty much all of these negatives, and they are really bad negatives.
  • Demq, on 10/10/2007, -3/+59they changed that. You are now able to install the game up to 5 times.
    http://kotaku.com/gaming/hey%2C-bioshock-pc-users/calm-the-*****-down-292935.php

    still this way of protecting games encourage piracy!
    • Beakerz, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5i think you need an 's' somewhere in there :o
    • Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18And pirates will be able to install it infinite times after the crack. What's their point that I'm missing with this idea?
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Big deal. The legit version still provides an inferior experience to people who are stealing it.

      Stop penalizing your legit customers.
  • jason469, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1062K did this so that "pirates" wouldn't get to the game, but they've done nothing but cause headaches for the people who are really buying the game, while the "pirates" will be playing this game in a matter of hours or days WITHOUT SecuROM.

    Good going assholes, way to show your customers how much appreciate them.

    Pirates FTW.
  • Soulicro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16I'd suggest calling them instead of emailing.. calling just has its benefits: its more personal, you get to speak to a person in real time.. and you get to get pissed off and ask to speak to a supervisor.
    • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2Emailing is free. Phone calls aren't.
      • duzytata, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8uhh..... the phone numbers for 2k Games and SecuROM are both a 1-866 number, thats toll free there bud.
        • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2As a user in the UK, those numbers aren't.
        • userini, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I hate to break it to you, but some people pay for all calls on a per minute basis, for example those with cell phones :P
    • pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3LOL, escalation FTW
  • 3magine, on 10/10/2007, -21/+103***** YOU 2K. I'M GETTING A PIRATED COPY. SUCK *****. Everyone should boycott these useless assholes.
    • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+29Did this guy just admit to sucking *****?
    • dunlop, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4cause I'm sure you weren't gonna get a pirated copy anyways....
    • Bahimiron, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Yes!

      Give them the message that no one wants to buy the PC version of this game, so they should dedicate more support to consoles and join the ever-increasing numbers of people who're uninterested in developing for the PC because it's a money-losing proposition!

      EXCELLENT!
      • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1What?
      • clubby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The 16,000 people downloading it off Pirate Bay right now will be enough to convince them that we want to play it on the PC. What they need to learn, is that we want to play it on the PC without DRM/rootkits/etc.
      • eliteblast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Singleplayer games are not worth 50 or even 60$ I would happily pay 50 dollars for the pc version of bioshock if it came without trojans and had multiplayer. I'll just spend the 7 bucks to rent it at blockbuster, and probably get bored of it because singleplayer games = fail.
    • Sep11insidejob, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I was going to buy it for sure. Not anymore.
    • XHashmeerX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Hi, this is the Copyrights Office. We believe you have something of ours?"

    • erikpols, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1excuse me? they made the game ffs, so they cannot be 'useless' i would say.
    • jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I bought a copy of the game through steam on launch day before all the problems surfaced, I have not had any problem with my computer playing the game but then again I have an 8800GTX and for $500 an Nvidia game better damn well work. Still knowing that I am limited to how many installs I can have is really pissing me off and it guarantees that I will pirate a copy of the game alongside my legit version just so I can play it when the legit version runs out of activations (again this is *****).

      It is a fun game though, too bad they put so much effort into protection and not enough into bug fixes.
  • ChileanGoD, on 10/10/2007, -4/+40And the bioshock orgy continues. I dont even want to know what this is going to be like when Crysis or Spore are released.
    • houndeyex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+36Better this than iPhone.
    • AzraelKans, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Well.. basically almost NO ONE will be able to play CRYSIS at least for the first year (bioshock reqs? pfft! laugh at them, Crysis will need vista and a dx10 card... just for starters)

      And about Spore well.. according Kotaku the game lasts 5 hours... seriously, Im not kidding, thats it, they finished the entire thing from amoeba to space conquering in 5 (five) hours. It sounds like EA is dumbing the title down to a point where actual amoebas can finish it. :P.. give it an afternoon rental for the Wii and you are done. Great going, almost 10 years in dev. for 5+10 hours of play, just wonderful.
      • skyfire1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Get an Xbox 360. You won't regret it.
  • Oubipaws, on 10/10/2007, -20/+6What I don't understand is how the game has been out for a week and so many of you are already having a problem with "to many installs?"
    As someone said above, if it wasn't for the pirates, none of this would be necessary. Go buy the game and shut the hell up. Don't hate 2K Games because they don't want to loose money for you stealing their games.
    • wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3"so many of you are already having a problem"

      They arent, as usual, its about 2-3% of people having a problem, and teh company bending over backwards to help them -- and the other 97% have an agenda (***** DRM! ***** GAMES FOR WINDOWS! ***** MICROSOFT! ***** PC! ***** THIS ***** THAT!) so they willfully spread inaccurate information.

      There isnt a problem, Sony's SecuROM has been around since 1997, and has been put on 200 Million discs (goto their website!) - this isnt new or buggy or any such nonsense; either these people dont know what they are doing (oh, i thought i uninstalled it) or they are willfully spreading FUD. My bet is both.
      • mrFREEZE, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5*****, SecuROM's been around since the nineties, yes, but in the past you were allowed to install it on MORE THAN TWO COMPUTERS. How old are you anyway?

        By the way, you really only think "2-3"% of people have problems with this game?
      • skewer324, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1"An agenda?" You idiot, it's not about getting stuff for free, it's about trusting customers and allowing people to use what they legally purchased. Everyone posting here has said "I bought it and I'm unhappy with the process to USE what I PAYED for" or they're saying "This sounds like a problem I might have, I'm not going to buy it unless this problem is addressed."

        You ***** work for SecuROM or something? You sound like Bill O'Rielly. "Durrr, they disagree with me; they have an AGENDA!" Wake the hell up.
    • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Yes moron. Restate your sentence, because it's basically saying every single user having this problem is a potential pirate.... As some replied, it's not about stopping pirates, it's about making as much money as they can. I wouldn't be surprised if they tell you to buy a new copy of the game if you want to install it in another PC.
  • PURDooM, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27Ya know, I was all ready to buy this game just from good reviews, but god knows I break more hard drives than I can uninstall games from. Looks lke I'll be keeping my $50 for now. :(

    On a completely unrelated note, I wonder what new items are on the piratebay :P
    • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -6/+7The average HDD is rated for shocks of up to 35G and is built from a rugged metal case (ok, the PCB is exposed, but if its mounted in a case sensibly it won't move). Also, the known crap drive companies (IBM, Fujitsu etc.) have either gone out of business or been bought out be respectable companies.

      To summarise, what the ***** are you doing with your drives? Throwing them off buildings?
      • clubby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Newsflash: hard drives can be damaged or destroyed through non-kinetic forces, such as electricity, heat, water, magnetism, and so on.
      • tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wow. When did IBM go out of business? I must have missed it.
        • WernerCD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Reading comprehension is your friend. (Well not YOURS obviously...)

          Notice: "or been bought out be respectable companies."

          Random Google Search: IBM Sells HardDrive Devision

          Tons of articles about IBM selling Hitachi it's OEM HardDrive division years ago...
      • ShinRaTDR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What are you, retarted? You've never had a hard drive crash?
    • psykiv, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1May I suggest a RAID 1 system with nightly backups to two different external hard drives?
  • BoKnowsDigg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+38The real shame is that this is taking attention away from the great job on the development side.
    • XHashmeerX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1EXCEPT the widescreen. Everything else, spot on for sure.
      • KungFuJesus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's been shown that the widescreen isn't what's wrong, it's the 4:3 view that's ***** up. Widescreen has the same FOV as HL2
    • jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Except for the legit customers who experience crashes... although lots of games launch like that its still not an excuse.
    • deathcloud33, on 08/23/2008, -0/+0Great, my ass. The PAUSE SCREEN lags for me.
  • afairjudgement, on 10/10/2007, -29/+10You guys have confirmed the fact that most digg users are mindless drone retards who can't grasp simple concepts as copyright management. Folks like you would run this world into the ground, spouting anarchist ***** propaganda.
    I hate you all.
    P.S. - if you're too busy wasting your time arguing against 2k Games and not playing BioShock, wake the ***** up and START PLAYING.
    • Prometeus, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13Hey, I'd LOVE to start playing, as soon as they get back to me about the email I sent them several hours ago letting them know that their activation code is broken.
      • afairjudgement, on 10/10/2007, -19/+4we've been waiting months for this game, i think you can wait a few hours for a response for activation.
        • Prometeus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11If the response is anything like what others (eg. the OP) who are claiming the same problems are getting, then I'm worried it'll take more than a few hours.
        • GamingTrend, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12He paid for it, the game is out - why should he be forced to wait because they can't get their system working properly? If you purchased a car after saving up for a year only to be told to come back in a few days after you've already paid for it, you'd be mighty upset, yes?
    • Auscifer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Actually, I do have a sense of "copyright management." But as a businessman, its all about making money. Their "copyright management" ends up costing the company more and customers feel less appreciated. Unless people are somehow being forced to buy your game, its a bad business strategy and frankly, its foolish to not give customers more control of the product.
      • kurttrail, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2LOL! please don't talk sense the the Copyright Uber Alles crowd. It be a boring world if we didn't have mindless idiots to laugh at.
    • saltinekracka20, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1These are my thoughts every time I look at a digg discussion. Thank you for taking the flack for me. :)
    • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You need to take a business, management and finances course ASAP. This sort of uncomfortable situations are bad for the company, don't believe otherwise. But hey, I bet you work or own one of those "We say we care about the costumer, but in fact, we don't give a ***** about them. What's more, we ***** them whenever we have the chance" companies.
    • ShinRaTDR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Right, complaining that your rights to use the thing you just ***** purchased have been taking away is truly an anarchist point of view. I'm so glad you can come on here and express your rights by flipping past every coherent comment on this page so you can close your eyes, type wildly into the message box, and post your retarted, half baked thoughts. I truly don't understand how people can be so one sided, news flash, YOUR GETTING SCREWED, STOP TAKING IT IN THE ASS AND DO SOMETHING. Why are there so many people willing to not only put up with this *****, but actually DEFEND it! Like these people are such bastions of morality. Christ, you do realize that more or less, most companies are working against you, to screw you just as much as they can before you revolt. For this to change, people should expect the best customer service, and nothing less. It seems extreme, but we have no other option but to be polar opposites, because the Gaming/Record/Film industries (which I might add, have their lines so blurred its hard to tell which is which, *cough* antitrust *cough*) certianly won't.
  • Koldkompress, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Mirror in case Phuckbucket goes down: http://bayimg.com/JAGcnaaBE
  • ukm1728, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4So Securom tells you to contact 2k, and instead of contacting 2k you read a post on their forums which is several days old? Wow, miscommunication between two companies what an unusual occurrence. Did you actually call 2K?
  • mohamedmansour, on 10/10/2007, -7/+13What SecureROM should do is implement an ONLINE Management Center where game owners can manage how many times they registered there product and delete or edit existing registrations.

    Since SecureROM has this feature in their DRM Security, BIOSHOCK wants it implemented, every user who bought the game should register online and they can manage their uninstalls online instead of calling stupid tech support to do this. I think that is better than calling.

    Don't get me wrong, this DRM is bogus and annoying as hell, that is why I wont buy this game or any game who has the same thing, cause people who are into computers love trying out new stuff from changing hardware every month or so or even trying out VISTA and then going back to XP. It doesn't make sense to call Tech Support and ask them to give me a new registration thingy. And as proven from this post, SecureROM and 2K Games have no communications whatsoever!
    • jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6no tx
    • ravage86, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Are you saying that we should be required to be online every time we want to play this single player game? No thanks, how about they remove the restriction entirely?
    • jer2eydevil88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What they should do is stop thinking out of greed and think out of users experience. Think Blizzard, they have had one success after another that has never caused me a single headache!
  • SoloMalee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Hmmm...Securom...I guess that's another game I won't be playing until a version is released without it.

    That's the only way to send a message to the publishers...just don't buy.

    Shame because it should be a nice game. Oh well, I guess I'll stick with WiC when it releases in September.
  • Elric77, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2Um, isn't this fixed? The pic isn't even funny, buried as the poster is clearly ignorant.
  • TripcodeMel, on 10/10/2007, -7/+195Is man not entitled to the game he buys?

    NO, says the man at Securom. It belongs to 2K.
    NO, says the man at 2K. It belongs to us.
    NO, says the man at Microsoft. It belongs to our license purchasers.

    I rejected those answers.

    Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...piracy! Where the gamer would not be censored, where the PC owner would not be bound by petty encryption, where the buyer would not be constrained by corporate greed. And with the downloading of your torrents, piracy could become your salvation
    • afairjudgement, on 10/10/2007, -6/+34instead, you stole something from the 2k games forum and made it sound like your own.

      hooray..
      • tedades, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15He choose... piracy!
        Why type something yourself if you can copy/paste...
      • devjunkie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7At no point did he claim ownership of that comment.
      • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1YAY!!! So cool isn't it?
      • TripcodeMel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11) I made no such claim; You made that assumption.

        2) I pirated this from 4Chan, not the 2k Games forums. Yarrgh.
    • wallace321, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2what a load of self righteous bullshiat. so this guy pirates his comments as well as his games? nothing in his wallet OR his head apparently.
    • Icerazer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0 You sir, win the interweb.
  • AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -12/+3Gee.. steal material off Kotaku often?
    • Optimaximal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Kotaku, who stole it from NoFrag, who stole it from the 2K forums...
  • TripcodeMel, on 10/10/2007, -21/+4Is man not entitled to the game he buys?

    NO, says the man at Securom. It belongs to 2K.
    NO, says the man at 2K. It belongs to us.
    NO, says the man at Microsoft. It belongs to our license purchasers.

    I rejected those answers.

    Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...piracy! Where the gamer would not be censored, where the PC owner would not be bound by petty encryption, where the buyer would not be constrained by corporate greed. And with the downloading of your torrents, piracy could become your salvation
    • mookiemookie, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Clever, but that only makes you a clever piece of *****.
  • 0xbaadf00d, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2DRM sucks but I don't blame them at all. If I sold something that was being pirated I would try to protect it too. It sucks but it is their product and they can protect it however they want.
    • Fhwqhgads, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8If you had a brain however, you'd eventually realize that you cannot stop these people who want to pirate. Also learn that if you screw with your legit customers, you cause even more piracy from people who are sick of this *****.
      • tedades, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is working the wrong way:
        Buyers get trouble and irritation
        Downloaders get it for free and dont have the annoying stuff...

        It should be the other way around, not?
        • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That's the problem. It has been proven countless times that these approaches don't work, content is still being pirated. It's backfiring, customers are being ***** up.
  • AzraDarkness, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10This is funny...did the game come with free KYjelly? or Vaseline?
    This is a good example of a company screwing over the end user...so why not screw over the company...
    SUPPORT TORRENT@!
  • jsdratm, on 10/10/2007, -16/+2buy on steam u fools, steam doesn't have any of this crap on its games
    • STARTSOMETHING, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1thats what i did i think ill go and reinstall this game for the millionth time
    • Bananas21ca, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2Ya, OK! Cause having to login to a steam account to play the game isent the exact same thing! Idiot.
    • dungbeetle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Except that, yes, it actually does also use securom on the Steam version. So not only do you not get to play a game you pay for how you like, you also need an account to do it. It's like stacking puke on crap, whereas the pirated will get a pristine uncrapped on version.
    • wallace321, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2someone wasn't paying attention to the proceedings...
  • SaII, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4stop stealing from kotaku
    • Rileyper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This must be your first time on digg, welcome, this site directs to news from DIFFERENT SOURCES
  • rhino_rampant, on 10/10/2007, -17/+6Wow, the Digg community continues to disappoint the longer this 2k/Bioshock thing goes on. There comes a point when you start begging for justification towards piracy rather than acknowledging sincere, wholly usable limitations. So many of you have been fing blinded by your own self-righteous cynicism that at this point no matter what you'll pirate a game. I so often read, "if they do this ***** or that ***** I would buy it!" *****, you'd still steal it you panzy asses. This isn't the music industry. This is something that has taken advantage of lowly artists; the PC game industry has long been about those with passions and earnest desire to share their imagination. And now, unless they start taking drastic measures, like allowing you install and uninstall the game INFINITE TIMES, but add a 5-time simultaneous installation limit, then the PC game industry is going to continue to dwindle and you'll all be forced to play it on console, sans the fun of tweaking graphics and using a keyboard & mouse, and you ***** will have nobody but to blame yourself.

    ADMIT IT, the solution that 2k is using is a decent one! You can install it and uninstall it INFINITE TIMES, and only install it up to 5 machines at once...this isn't the ***** music industry, stop acting like some kind of hero.
    • Fhwqhgads, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5"PC game industry has long been about those with passions and earnest desire to share their imagination"

      by limiting those who can experience it. Yeah.

      idiot.
    • jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14You're close, but you are making it too complicated. I have plenty of money. Dual income, no kids. Dropping $60 a game is insignificant to me.

      It's all about cost value to me. I have absolutely no moral problem at all with pirating a game. However, I am also a collector. Many times I love the artwork on the DVD, the included booklets, the box and case, etc. Games don't offer that much anymore. Usually you get generic DVD case, a thin paper insert, and a stapled black and white wrap around manual.

      And when it comes to DRM, this completely outweighs any positive benefits the purchased copy holds for me. I'd just as well pay $49.99 for the pirated version, but I wouldn't even download the "purchased" DRM version is it was free. I don't want a rootkit on my computer, period.

      Pirating a game is simply a choice. No one will stop it. Developers and publishers, instead of acting like they are going to "force" me to purchase the game, should concentrate on *WHY* I should purchase the game. Make the purchased copy *MORE* valuable than the pirated version. That is how to defeat piracy.
      • saltinekracka20, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I stopped caring what you said when you wrote, "I have absolutely no moral problem at all with pirating a game."

        Pay for your games, or it's stealing. And learn some morals.
      • rhino_rampant, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I'm sorry, but everything you just stated completely supports my feelings as to why everyone will just continue justifying piracy in the face of any logical argument not to. Again, what more does Bioshock devs need to do to convince you that your money is worth their efforts? All reviews point to this game being a crucial game in terms of presentation and story telling...many of these whining morons could have finished the game by now instead of trolling digg and be happier for doing so...instead I get to read how pirating this and any other game ever will somehow ascend them to martydom. Artards.
    • Auscifer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Rhino, most people I think would agree there are more effective ways to combat piracy that are cheaper and leave you with a more satisfied customer.
    • saltinekracka20, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Very well stated. And, as expected, It gets buried by all the indignant morons, better known as the Digg community.
  • szembek, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Return the game. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Then pirate the game.
  • leafsfanatic, on 10/10/2007, -15/+8It would seem a lot of people are using the DRM for a pretty weak justification for pirating this game. If the game is good, support the company and pay for it... it will help them make more like it. If you don't like some aspects of the package they offer, then don't play it, but call them and let them know, don't just bitch about it here.

    If you didn't pay for it, you have no grounds to say how they're screwing their customers, because you aren't one.
    • Fhwqhgads, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8"u didn't pay for it, you have no grounds to say how they're screwing their customers, because you aren't one."

      However, you might have been one otherwise.
      • wallace321, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3agreed, i didn't pirate the game, and I dont' plan on it. i've bought other games from them, therefor i AM a customer. but I'm a "potential customer" of Bioshock until this all gets sorted out. a pirate will steal a game whether it has copy protection (of any kind) on it or not. normal people don't want to jump through hoops to use a product.

        i especially like the 'don't steal movies' PSAs at the beginning of DVDs. pirates just lop those right off leaving just the movie to watch. us poor suckers who actually paid for the things are the only ones who actually have to watch them. I REALLY despise those. The generic guitar riffs. blech! plus, they're edited with white flashes, quick cuts between camera angles, and jumping, flickery lettering like they're trying to get the attention of a 13 year old with ADHD.
        • Auscifer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Ditto. I don't pirate video games, period. It's just not worth it to me, I'd rather just wait around for a deal on gogamer and get it cheap.

          I want to be sure than in 20 years, when any company associated with the game or DRM is out of business, that I can still use what I paid for. Not everyone who criticizes DRM is a pirate. I simply value customer appreciation over pirate-protection and I think its a better strategy.
    • StarlessKnight, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3"If you didn't pay for it, you have no grounds to say how they're screwing their customers, because you aren't one" AKA "If you didn't vote, you have no grounds to complain how politicians are screwing the people they're suppose to represent because you aren't one." AKA Self-righteous "Shut Up and Go Away" nonsense. Let's examine this...

      If you can't carry a child to term, you have no grounds to talk about abortion, because you aren't a woman. If you don't own the slave, you have no grounds to say how owners screw them, because you aren't an owner yourself. If you don't live in a country, you have no grounds to say how it is screwing itself or the world, because you aren't a citizen of that country.

      No, really, you *can* have an opinion about something without a direct relationship of any kind to it. Furthermore, Boycotts are often more effective at getting a company to listen to your demands. If 2K wants someone to play their Awesome Game, then they should make it so that the widest base possible is willing to purchase it. If the people don't want to buy it because of DRM, then regardless of however great the product is, it's going to sit there, gather dust, and die.
    • Serphyas, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3What a crock of *****. You don't have to own the game to realize that they are anally assaulting their customer.

      2K's initial lack of widescreen support, that needed to be fixed BY the customers? *pelvic thrust* ***** customer service? *thrust thrust* Ass-backwards, anti-piracy 2-install limit? *thrust thrust thrust*

      At this point I may not even buy the 360 version like I was planning. I may just go ahead and purchase those computer upgrades I've been planning, and then Bittorrent the *****. How's that for speaking with my wallet.
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I'm not supporting their use of DRM. And I'm doing so by not buying it or pirating it.
    • skewer324, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why would I buy a game I can't play? That's the point of all this. How could I know it's wonderful if it doesn't work, or if it acts like I'm a criminal just for trying to install it?
  • eilorux, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Sounds like the management from Brazil are mucking the works.
  • crackedlogic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1looks like the technical support over at 2k games are on the highly sought after "V-bulletin 3" customer support system. It's neat that they even have avatars. (see last image for my sarcastic reference)
  • blorc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12It's nice that they have at least tried to go and make it less restrictive, but I still will not be purchasing this game unless they drop SecuROM completely.
  • smegthelight, on 10/10/2007, -1/+68The whole problem comes down to the fact that I bought the game, it's mine, I exchange a product of value (cash) for it, or rather for a license for it.

    The license doesn't expire. What happens in 10 years when I am feeling nostalgic and I want to load up the game and give it a go ?

    Do you think the activation server is still going to be there for me ?

    I wonder if 10 years from now if the publishers will still be around, would I be able to sue them for breaking their own EULA by not allowing me to use my license under the terms of the EULA ?

    Humm...
    • saltinekracka20, on 10/10/2007, -9/+0This game wont be compatable with your PC in 10 years.
      • MedHead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5What? Of course it will. Emulators work wonders.
      • StarlessKnight, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't think people that own legacy Console Systems or retain old Operating Systems to play games that wont run on the latest Console/OS got the memo.
      • Corinthos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I still own a commodore 64. I'm too lazy to hook it up to play anything but one day I might.
      • Sp00k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2OS virtualisation has been around for years... and will only get better.
      • Sp00k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Double post, digg me down people.
    • Piggycow, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Then you just go to gamecopyworld or piratebay and get a crack or no cd or whatever it takes
      • StarlessKnight, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The question is: Why should a person have to crack a game they legitimately bought just to play it again years later? Isn't it enough hassle to set up a compatible environment just to play it?
    • postal21, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I guarantee the EULA has some ***** in it saying under no circumstance are they required to allow you to play the game and that they reserve the right to cancel their activation servers at any time for any reason.

      I was reading my madden 2008 booklet and it has stuff in it like "EA reserves the right to cancel all internet game servers for madden the day the 2007 season ends..."

      What I want to know is... you open a game, you cannot return it anymore except for the same game... so what if you decide you dont agree to the EULA? you just get taken for 50 bucks, with no recourse?
      • XHashmeerX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I haven't read it, but most likely. Every online game prints that they have the right to cancel online components at any given time.
    • ablacksunrise, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0In 10 years time the game will be available in some sort of Abandonware Nostalgia Package along with a bunch of other games today. But I see where you're going.
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