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- itsmikey, on 06/18/2009, -4/+34Whatever. The guy ran out from behind a bus and got hit. It was a total accident minus the fact that Stallworth was a little bit over the legal limit. He's got a spotless track record. Don't get me wrong, the situation is terrible, but there is a reason he's doing minimal time. Same scenario--minus alcohol--Stallworth still hits him, and that fact was presented in the case.
The article also makes an argument about Vick's conviction that is totally irrelevant to Stallworth's case. The author practically admits that in his analysis--why bring it up?
The NFL can punish these guys all they want. However, they should be punished for their crimes as they stand to affect the NFL. They're not some vigilante group. It isn't the NFL's place to punish players for what the United States' legal system supposedly failed to do. That is absurd. - MikeSobe, on 06/18/2009, -2/+20It's sad the man was hit and killed but I think the punishment is fair. The man was hit running across a 6 lane highway called MacArthur Causeway at 7am. Stallworth had gone to bed and woken up, he wasn't drinking till 7 in the morning. Stallworth called the police and stayed with the man till they got there.
Yes the fact that Stallworth has money ended up lessening the punishment he got as he was able to reach an agreement with the family. For those of you that actually know the details of the case and aren't happy with the outcome, what kind of punishment do you think woul be fair? - fightinirish08, on 06/18/2009, -1/+15Re-post from a thread yesterday concerning Vick and Stallworth.
Don't oversimplify the situations here. Vick didn't get 2 years for killing dogs. He was facing federal charges of conspiracy and obstruction of justice. He would have never owned up to what he did if it weren't for his partners who were going to testify against him. Vick was intentionally harming or allowing dogs to be harmed (depending on what you believe) in order to make a profit. He was the main financier of the dog fighting ring, and this was going on for some six years. The guy is a punk, and this was not a one time thing. The guy even gave a girl herpes by having unprotected sex with her when he knew about it and had been going to a clinic under the name "Ron Mexico".
Stallworth, on the other hand, took part in negligent behavior that led to a man's death. Now I am not defending drunk driving, but that morning he did not set out with any malicious intent. Also, he was driving at 7 in the morning. I don't think he was out for a few early morning mimosas and bloody mary's. He was out the night before, tried to sleep it off, then drove. Although negligent, he probably did not think he was still drunk. All the factors leading into the crash sound like a run of the mill tragic accident, with the exception of his BAC. Regarding his character, from much of what I have heard he has been an upstanding member of society. He has been involved in community service, does not have a prior record or history of traffic violations, and he was extremely cooperative at the scene and throughout the investigation.
Honestly I think Stallworth will do more good by performing his mandated community service, and continuing to serve the community afterwards, than sitting in jail. Vick, on the other hand, I cannot say the same for. - Ryan32, on 06/18/2009, -0/+7Dugg for logic.
- pathouston22, on 06/18/2009, -0/+7You should look up the definition of murder.
- rblancarte, on 06/18/2009, -0/+5I am not mad a Donte Stallworth. For one of the few times EVER in terms of legal issues I am watching a man stand up and take account for his actions. He admitted what he did. He owned up to it, and he is taking responsibility. He didn't lie about it, run from it or anything. He knew he was in trouble from the moment this happened and took it like a man.
People want to compare this to Michael Vick, "If he ran over a dog, he would have gotten 2 years!!" We are not even talking the same thing. First off, Vick went to jail for racketeering and illegal gambling. The dog fighting was just a means to do that, and in fact he effectively got away with it as his punishment in that case was shorter than his RICO issues, and served concurrently. But bigger, Vick wasn't a man and he tried to lie to get out of it, and his friends rolled up on him when they knew they were in trouble too.
When it comes to Stallworth, the man is facing a lot more punishment than 30 days in jail His full sentence:
30 days in prison
2 years house arrest
8 years probation
LIFETIME suspended drivers license
1000 hours community service
That is a lot. People see 30 days in the hole and thing "oh this is terrible, only 30 days is bogus!" The man may be home, but he is far from free for the next 2 years.
And the biggest thing is what I opened with, the man took responsibility. He approached prosecutors with the plea deal, even when he knew he had a very solid chance of winning his case and getting away clean. He accepted his fate and worked out this deal.
And look, is the deal kind of light? I agree YES. However, when i see that this man has taken responsibility and understands what he is getting, I know that for the rest of his life he will feel the guilt of the fact that he took a man's life.
And that just might be a larger punishment than any jail sentence will give. - RevJonathan, on 06/18/2009, -0/+5Couldn't agree with you more. Stallworth did everything right after making a mistake. Called the cops, tried to help, and was honest about everything. He is so clearly feels terrible in public statements, the guilt alone will haunt him for years.
Should he get in trouble for drunk driving? Hell yes. Was it entirely his fault? Hell no. Is the sentence fair? Absolutely. Should the NFL take any action at all? Never. - methdwman3, on 06/18/2009, -1/+6The only similarity between Vick and Stallworth is they are two NFL players who got in trouble with the law. Comparing their cases is nonsense. While I think a human life is worth more than 10,000 dogs' lives, Vick deliberately broke the law over and over again, obstructing justice on his way to his sentence. Stallworth, on the other hand, did something immature, reckless, stupid, etc, but hardly a premeditated series of acts. I would have liked to see him get a larger sentence just for the fact that a couple years in the slammer may do some good in terms of deterring others from driving drunk, but that is on the system - people still drive drunk so routinely because it is easy to sliver out of serious consequences.
- elmontsmilitia, on 06/18/2009, -1/+6Vick - killed dogs for years, organized events for dog fighting, funded those events and lied about his involvement. Even to this day he has not 100% confessed.
Stallworth - killed a person, stayed at the scene, called the cops and explained the whole situation to them and cooperated with all the authorities thereafter.
Complying with the law helps a lot. - plague, on 06/18/2009, -0/+4I've never seen someone get jail time, 2 years house arrest, 8 years probation, 1000 hours community service, and their license taken away for life for getting caught with some pot. Don't exaggerate.
- DarthVolta, on 06/18/2009, -1/+5There was also a monetary settlement with the family, plus the fact that he had his license revoked for life.
That's what made me feel better about it. If you ask me, any car accident that involves alcohol should lead to an instant, permanent revocation of your license. - bstew22, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3Ron Mexico is such a bad ass name.
- CaptainNoPants, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3"In addition to jail time, Stallworth was sentenced to two years of house arrest, eight years on probation, 1,000 hours of community service and a lifetime driver's license suspension that could be eased after five years. He must also undergo drug and alcohol testing."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/06/ ...
He can get his license back in 5 years if he meets certain criteria it looks like. - Paintballguy721, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3Im not mad, not mad at all. Has anyone thought about it like this? What if the guy really did dart out in front of his car, like a jackass. What if it wasnt really his fault? Ive seen people almost get hit plenty of times simply because they dont look and just run in to the street. Could Stalworth just be one of those unlucky people who hits one of those unlucky retards? Possibly. Maybe not, maybe he was drunk and killed the guy. Who knows, not i. All im saying is, be open minded before judging.
- TSCheredar, on 06/18/2009, -3/+6Yeah, also PacMan Jones.
- rwbrinso, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2See -- I tend to think that when something like this happens to a famous person, we freak out a little TOO much -- this ish happens all the time to regular rich people too. And besides, it's not like he got off scot-free.
- thanakar, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2Lemme see, 30 days in jail 2years house arrest, 8 years probation and various fines he has to pay.
- Ryan32, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2I think people throw around the term "drunk" too much. He was over the legal limit. There is a discernible difference. Drunk implies that he was completely impaired to the extent he couldn't keep a straight line. Over the legal limit could mean he was 100% capable of driving as if he was sober technically.... We don't know.
The reason his sentence is so low, is because the OTHER guy was at fault. Technically Stallworth was not breaking any laws (outside of being over the legal limit). The other guy was jaywalking obviously. He ran out into the road and got hit by a car. Lets put the majority of the blame where it belongs. On the guy who walked out into traffic. - smacksaw, on 06/18/2009, -1/+3Drunk driving has mitigating factors. It's not the same as murdering someone or raping someone. It's the intent that is different.
Were it up to me, I would have caning for a lot of crimes, this being one of them. Many people are barely drunk and not habitual criminals, but those who actually contribute to society when they're not being drunken accidental killers. Give them a few lashes of the cane and be done with it.
The good thing about locking up drunk drivers is that they can't get drunk and drive while being incarcerated, but we can't afford to do that. The more you think about it, the more you realise there is a certain logic to corporal punishment for adults who have a full capacity to be responsible for their actions.
30 days, 0 days, 1 year - the way these sentences are applied is never uniform. Too many circumstances to take into consideration. You have no tolerance drunk driving laws? Make there be mandatory caning, period. It's not a perfect deterrent, but the victims can get some satisfaction from it. - FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -2/+4Drunk driving? He ***** killed someone you moron.
- pegisys, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Depends on how much pot!
- FreddieD, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Absolutely tasteless. However, it's hard for me to give you a thumbs down when i reflexively laugh out loud.
- lilrabbit129, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Totally not what I expected to see on Digg.
- NightC, on 06/18/2009, -4/+5Most people that get caught with pot will get higher sentences.
- werkerholic, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1I love how when it comes to black men the legal system just isn't good enough. funny ppl
- lilrabbit129, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Yeah welcome to the real world. Like it or not, money can enable you to do things in different ways.
Maybe people should stop bitching when they dont have it and start trying to make some. - FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2It doesn't matter if he was drunk or not - he failed to adhere to safety, and he killed someone.
- keyforce, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1I agree that money got him out of this situation much easier than any of us could.
But, from the article:"...law requires proof that the driver helped cause the accident. There was a major question whether Stallworth did that, since Reyes was apparently jaywalking." - elmontsmilitia, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1the victims family was not seeking any jail time...they just wanted the money.
- Hetman, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1No but someone who runs out in front of some one car might not deserve death but might accidentally have done it to himself. I would just like to see some past cases to see how they were treated.
- Phocas, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1I LOLed
- veriix, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1When did he MURDER a man? Was he driving and thought to himself, hey look, a guy crossing the street, I wonder what it will sound like if I hit him? If not then stfu and use your brain.
- bigsheldy, on 06/19/2009, -0/+1I would say the guy who jaywalked into an oncoming car "failed to adhere to safety"
- Ryan32, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Wow, just when you think you've seen the most retarded comments digg has to offer.... Stanggt3 comes along and TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF.
- aflaks, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1also 10 years probation, 2 years house arrest (can only leave for work), also he reached a financial settlement with the family. He's not sitting in jail but he's not sitting happy either
- tennis43267, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2he also got 1,000 hours of community service and a LIFETIME suspension of his drivers license. those arent exactly light punishments either, and its not like they don't count just because they dont involve jail time. but the article neglects to focus on that
- GamerXR72, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Or we could just recognize ***** when we see it.
- FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -2/+3Yeah, that and being a successful athlete with a lot of money for lawyers and for paying off the victim's family.
- mccartyba, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1I'm not mad at him, but I certainly do hope he gets some sort of worthwhile punishment.
Celebs pretty much always get off easy. No reason to be any more mad than normal. - lilrabbit129, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Cops get rewarded for killing another human being!!
See I can make sensationalist statements too.
Note:
This was meant to show how stupid it is to make generalist statements, not to put-down cops... just fyi. - lilrabbit129, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Exactly. If the family doesn't even want jail time why does everyone on digg?
- f0dder, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2He admitted to the crime, got together w/ the victims and they worked out a solution and people are mad? The biggest losers in this are the lawyers. Mad that it didn't drag out for years and years while they leech off society.
- thanakar, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2Frogger Fail
- Hetman, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1We should be able to find similiar cases to this and see how the person was sentenced. Something like this has had to happen before. That would be a good indication to actually how fair his sentence was.
- Hetman, on 06/18/2009, -2/+2The victim was participating in an illegal act. Stallworth was drunk. I would like to see a similiar case and see what that person was sentenced to. If he was sentenced to more than what stallworth was then there is definatly a problem. There is enough vehicular manslaughter cases in this country that there has to be one very similiar to this.
- FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1Any normal person with an average income and not an athlete would be sitting in jail for years over this. That's why people are mad.
- FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1Are you honestly trying to say that jaywalkers deserve no less than death now?
- FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1What a bunch of horse *****.
Imagine your dad got killed the same way this guy did, and then imagine getting the call you've described above. You'd be sad, upset, and angry. And probably rolling out a legal team within hours to sue everyone involved. - redfred18t, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1Thank goodness he's not with the Pats anymore
- DarthVolta, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1hm. well that's disappointing.
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