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- angusware, on 11/26/2008, -2/+28The Guide to Greener Electronics is a pile of *****. Half the criteria don't even relate to environmental action, so companies can actually be doing great stuff for the environment, but if they don't put it on their website as policy, Greenpeace fail them.
Greenpeace have worse scientific research skills than a Grade 8 student. - angusware, on 11/26/2008, -0/+17Or the fact that if Greenpeace actually did some real scientific research once in a while, they would have a better rating.
Seriously, the Guide to Greener Electronics is the most attention-seeking, biased and retarded report around, Nintendo were at the bottom of the last report because they didn't have environmental information on their website, how the ***** is that more Green than another company? - Afrochu, on 11/26/2008, -4/+19Why the hell would I trust a scientific analysis from Greenpeace, an organization so fanatically corrupt and blind to science that they fabricate stories about how nuclear power is terrible for the environment? Even Patrick Moore, the FOUNDER of Greenpeace has left the organization and has tried to distance himself from their screwy pseudoscience.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
Greenpeace makes its money by putting out scientific sounding misinformation, making people feel guilty/afraid, then getting people to donate to their cause. It's the Catholic church of the dark ages all over again. - schnikies79, on 11/26/2008, -2/+14Buried for Greenpeace. They can't be bothered to do actual research, so they rely on the web. Well I'm not making a ***** website just to appease you.
Get back to me with a report from a group that doesn't have an agenda. - mecharabbit, on 11/26/2008, -1/+12Man, what the hell is wrong with Nintendo? Only a 0.8 rating? It must be all those barrels that pile up after Donkey Kong throws them at Mario, or all the upturning of the soil that Zelda does when looking for treasure.
- cantaclaro, on 11/26/2008, -7/+18Oh yes, I'm going to buy my electronics based on which one is the greenest rather than which one is going to help me get the job done. Sounds like a plan.
- Lunares, on 11/26/2008, -0/+10and once again Nintendo gets a .8 because Greenpeace can't get the information from their website so they just give Nintendo 0's on everything. No info =/= mean nothing is being done, Nintendo just doesn't disclose information like that to attention grubbing groups like greenpeace.
- eco57, on 11/25/2008, -3/+12It would be nice to have lists like this one in all industries so consumers could encourage the 'greening' of industry with their wallets.
- ClevelandBrown, on 11/26/2008, -0/+9I hate you.
- jtbell04, on 11/26/2008, -0/+9I take offense to that, my Grade 8 researching skills were VASTLY superior to Greenpeace's!
- tmyprod, on 11/26/2008, -1/+10Wait... isn't apple running an ad campaign about how green they are?
- replaysMike, on 11/26/2008, -2/+9Nokia???? I throw out at least 3 of their phones a year.
- secrity, on 11/26/2008, -0/+6You can stop throwing them away:
"Nokia now scores maximum points for its comprehensive voluntary take-back programme, which spans 124 countries providing almost 5000 collection points for end-of-life mobile phones." - squidcore, on 11/26/2008, -3/+9Please stop using greenpeace as citation. There is nothing factual about anything they say.
- Demos27, on 11/26/2008, -2/+8Why would I bother trusting Greenpeace??
- vault, on 11/26/2008, -1/+6How 'green' a company is has literally never factored into a single one of my purchases.
- newbill123, on 11/26/2008, -0/+5Their agenda, foremost, is to promote Greenpeace.
I'd love to see a lab where they actually dissect purchased equipment and give a Consumers Reports style tally of things. They don't. They take self-reported information from companies websites and compare those policies (rather than products) for pro-environmental messages.
That's kind of like if the Mormons took a bunch of policies about marriage from companies websites and compiling a list of which companies are pro-God. Are we sure their values are the important ones? Are we sure that self-reporting is the right way to get a company's support of God? As more companies adopt more marriage benefits is it really because of the Mormons efforts? If we are pro-marriage, does that make us pro-Mormon? - schnikies79, on 11/26/2008, -0/+5Nope. Their agenda is to push ***** in the hopes of getting money.
They brand it as environmentalism. - stoanhart, on 11/26/2008, -3/+7Why did they leave out the details of the low scoring companies. I want to know why MS got 0.8.
- mdude85, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4reminds me of laptop sales. zing!
- secrity, on 11/26/2008, -2/+6They are improving, but falling behind the others who are improving faster.
- Bloodweaver, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4What a shoddy article. Is this how they spend peoples donations. How can they not give exact amounts of pollutants PER electronic device for each manufacturer. Many of these companies don't even make the same things. Is Greenpeace really so ignorant they believe every electronic product is comparable to every other in construction and materials used? If they can't be bothered to release a factually complete report than I'm no longer donating.
- newbill123, on 11/26/2008, -1/+5Screw e-waste. I'd rather have 100 spam emails in my email inbox than 1 unsolicited flyer in my real mailbox. True it costs energy and impacts one's carbon footprint to make electronic flyers. But my recycling of unwanted electrons is cleaner, easier, and faster with e-waste than with physical paper.
- secrity, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4There are links to more information:
"Microsoft remains in 17th position with an improved score of 2.9 points, which it earns mainly on the toxic chemicals criteria. The company has committed to removing PVC vinyl plastic and brominated flame retardants (BFRs) from its hardware products by or before 2010, and phthalates by the end of 2010. On e-waste, Microsoft scores only on its weak support for Individual Producer Responsibility and on reporting that it financed the collection and recycling of e-waste equivalent to 17% of worldwide sales in 2007, without elaborating on how the figure was calculated. On energy, the company gets points for reporting its total carbon dioxide equivalent emissions from its own operations, and that in 2007, 24.4% of all the electricity used was from renewable sources." - helloyamadotcom, on 11/26/2008, -1/+4Blow me
- clickmyface, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3neither is Nokia or any of the other companies listed.
- Darkyuubi, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3Wow despite Apple making such a big fuss about its environmental friendliness, its still towards the bottom...
- nickymouse, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3I send a $100 dollar check to China and then they send me a paper saying that they produced enough "green energy" to make be feel better about myself.
- WillSunrider, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3atleast you have snake on it, that game rocks.
- MCA2142, on 11/26/2008, -1/+4Going Green:
1. People seek out alternative fuels for their cars = Leads to a whole new industry in Alternative fuel harvesting = More jobs
2. People are seeking energy efficient homes and appliances = Industry for the appropriate technologies prosper(better windows, solar panels, etc) = more jobs in those fields.
3. Companies like Apple adapt not only green materials, but smaller, more efficient packaging = iPods only cost a fraction of it's introductory price in 2001 = Green tech in people's pockets.
4. More and More people are aware of the climate crisis = More people go further to reduce their carbon footprint = healthier planet for everyone and their future generations.
It's not the idea, but the process.
1. Bush administration pushes tax breaks for small companies that has purchased SUVs and Trucks.
2. While EV technology has come to maturity, the Government keeps pushing the ever-young Hydrogen fuel solution, because it will keep people coming back to the pumps.
3. Bush administration sues California's C.A.R.B. to abolish its 10% Zero-emission auto policy.
4. More and more right wing propaganda pushes the idea that the climate crisis is a "political" dilemma.
5. On the recent gas price dip(below $2.00) SUV sales surge.
The blame goes to the people and the government. The green idea and its prospects are sound, as long as we all take part.
- DeviantDragon, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2MS =/= Nintendo
- davidrools, on 11/26/2008, -1/+3...or when you care about the environment and have a choice between equivalent products (say an LG or Samsung mobile phone), this can be valuable information. The way you spend your money can have a bigger impact than the things you do to reduce your own environmental impact.
- kyle90, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Wow I didn't realize there was so much hate for Greenpeace. I guess I have to pay better attention to what's cool to like on dislike on Digg.
Or is this just the coffee-shop brigade out in force because they're outraged that Apple scored low. - omegared, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2of course no one trusts greenpeace. They are not mainstream and do not hold views believed by most people. Even scientist are trusted for things they study like about global warming, environment damage, over consumption, well because there research does not fit into the mainstream of how society is today. The ones that do agree with the today worldview are talked about by the media, the public and industry.
The one positive aspect that can be taken out of this is that all movements (change) started out as being ignored. Think the mainstream public cared for MLK's views, on equity? Even look back when people were arguing that the world was not flat. - Caviarmy, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Purses..?
Somebody doesn't understand their audience here... - stoanhart, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Depends if you're a mathematician or a programmer.
- bipolarruledout, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2You do have to wonder how a company who's primary market (Microsoft) is intangible goods (intellectual property; software) scores so low. Yes I know they make hardware products but this still strikes me as weird. Especially since mice and keyboards don't have a lot of lead in them.
- secrity, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Follow the links:
"Nintendo remains in last place with a pitiful 0.8 points out of 10, scoring zero on all e-waste criteria. The company has banned phthalates and is monitoring use of antimony and beryllium and although it is endeavouring to eliminate the use of PVC, it has not set a timeline for its phase out. Nintendo discloses carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from its own operations and commits to cutting CO2 emissions and other greenhouse gases by 2% over each previous year. However, Nintendo admits that an increase in business led to a 6% rise in CO2 emissions in 2006." - bipolarruledout, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Newsflash: electronics aren't green. They can be made greener but there will always be a lot of toxic ***** in them. The best thing to do is buy quality well make products and reduce replacement as often as possible. If anything I think that walmart should share some of this blame for perpetuating a "disposable economy" with cheap low quality goods.
- zerton, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1thank you, i know
- monkeyheroes, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1With climate change skeptics, it's more than that. It's disappointing to see that the US has become, for the most part, a culture that doesn't trust science.
- inactive, on 11/26/2008, -1/+2I see most of Japanese and Korean companies going green while need not to say that America is the biggest pollution producer in the world, so their companies are at the least green side. The reason why they do not let green treaties pass.
- Vriess, on 11/26/2008, -1/+2Trying to take some care of our home is not a joke. Populations are only getting worse,in 2060 we will make your kids go live in the piles of plastics and chemicals because their dad didn't want to do ***** in even the most basic way possible.
- Vriess, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1A page like this for regular consumer goods would be really nice, groceries even. Anyone got a link?
- xedd, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1Well, maybe they think that the surface perception of being "green" is more important than the actuality of being "green". Which isn't much different than all too much of corporate America.
As long as the buying public "thinks" they are, for example, 'Thinking different', then mission accomplished. - jgregc, on 11/28/2008, -0/+1Let me give you a hint - if it is processed, it is by nature not "green". This means that practically everything required for modern civilization would fail these kinds of lists, and eventually they will until the modern nations are held under ransom. It is not about what is good for the environment with these wackos.
After all, step back and look at what they ignore, from the trees that their publications cost to their expenditures on rallys and protests. An average slightly conservative American lives a life that is beneficial to the environment, but these society haters will scream otherwise at you in the name of hate. Please have the decency to ignore them. - Macintoshreader, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1I hope that you're being sarcastic; if you're not then you're an idiot.
- Seann7656, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1Nintendo - 0.8
... Fail - jgregc, on 11/28/2008, -0/+1No, you have it wrong. Climate change is junk science, and there is a culture that does not trust publish hungry pseudo scientists, looking for their next score to continue their research into ignorance exploitation.
BTW, you do realize that Global Warming has been branded into "Climate Change" because the evidence was not holding up to the former, right? So they change the wording, expecting their followers to believe that any change, hot or cold, has a sound cause and effect in line with their agenda, despite how contrary to common sense that sounds.
I am proud that the US is starting to see beyond the charlatans of junk science, but alas I fear that it is in the minority after all -
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