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- akchrs, on 12/06/2008, -3/+23or have anything made of plastic.
- inactive, on 12/06/2008, -16/+33Unless you don't drive cars, don't use gas or electricity. Shutup.
- AlterLite, on 12/06/2008, -0/+12Do you drive a vehicle, use any kind of plastic, eat anything you don't grow in your own garden? Chances are some of those products you consume either are made of oil, or were transported using some variant of oil...just saying...
- purrsuede, on 12/06/2008, -14/+25More of the Bush legacy of rape and pillage our natural environment and heritage all in the name of oil... The rape of Mother Earth by the GOP must end!!!
- sam2gemini, on 12/06/2008, -8/+19SAVE UTAH!
- akchrs, on 12/06/2008, -3/+12Isn't it ironic that you need crude oil to make the plastic that will be used in the making of the electric car.
- inactive, on 12/06/2008, -1/+9I say we protest this until oil prices sky rocket again - then we can protest that.
- AFelsinger, on 12/06/2008, -15/+22it's horrible that they'd simply sell such beautiful land to those who would trample and destroy it. i'm glad these groups exist to stand up to insanity like this
- COINTELPROAgent, on 12/06/2008, -4/+11Yes, we must save the lush rainforests of Utah, or something like that.
- pw378, on 12/06/2008, -1/+7Bush Bush Bush... Once Bush is gone we can finally stop using oil and coal, like it was before he was elected in 2000. We never used any oil before Bush. That Bush guy, sheesh...
- Christianptriot, on 12/06/2008, -5/+11Everyone decries this as the rape of Mother Earth - that we must "preserve" these wild and beautiful places. Quick Question: HOW MANY of you, other than Utah residents, have ever been to any of these places? I live in Alaska, surrounded by the Tongass National Forest, and lower-48 conservation and preservation groups protest and file lawsuits all the time to "preserve" this or that - and virtually NONE of them have (a) ever been here, (b) don't understand the simple mechanics of resource sustainability, and (c) don't have to make a living from the businesses or infrastructure that the natural resource extraction industries provide here. AND if you ever want to come here to recreate and enjoy these wild and scenic places - how will you ever get there if there are no roads?!
They are not talking about digging out strip mines that will consume and devastate thousands of acres of landscape - and who will ultimately benefit from the resources that are extracted? the American PUBLIC - the owners of these public lands. The local communities will benefit from the Payments to the Counties and the state for the royalties and revenues that come from the special use permits and leases. The local economics will benefit from the operations that will extract the resources - TOURISM will improve and increase because there will be more ways to access the beauty adn scenery and wild places that everyone wants to know are there but fewer than 5% of Americans will ever see. - subterfuge, on 12/06/2008, -2/+7shouldn't a referendum be held before something like this goes through? i find it hard to believe that auctioning public land without public consent is legal.
- thebaron2, on 12/06/2008, -0/+5This is the legacy of consumerism and an advanced society with material needs. It has nothing to do with Bush.
What are you going to do with yourself in 6 months when Obama's in office and you realize that bad things still happen? - Christianptriot, on 12/06/2008, -1/+6Tearing down a national monument is not an even comparison to the reasonable, sustainable and managed use of the natural resources.
- PBRbeer, on 12/06/2008, -0/+5BIG FRIGGIN DEAL!!!! 100,000 acres is only an area of roughly 12 miles x 12 miles
The gay little loft that the author of this article lives in had a bigger impact on the environment than this, and why does everyone assume that because they are going to drill for oil it's going to completely destroy the area. How about our cities? how much land did it 'Destroy', which will NEVER be reclaimed by nature, at least with the drilling when the oil is gone they leave and it all goes back to nature. - neo991lb, on 12/06/2008, -0/+4Most of America is developed? Really? Have you ever driven across the country?
- pw378, on 12/06/2008, -2/+6Do you own any land or a house? Stop paying your property tax and lets see how long it stays yours... Seriously, privates individuals and companies all 'lease' land from the Gov't... thats life dude, get over it.
- specialbuddy1, on 12/06/2008, -0/+3Save the sand and rocks. Maybe if you left your commune and got a job, you could see some of the developed America that you talk about.
- Lhandroval, on 12/06/2008, -0/+3The BLM (a federal agency) owns about 60% of Utah's land. No matter how much Utah complains, the BLM can put their fingers in their ears and ignore it, because technically Utah can't decide anything about how that land is used (Utah doesn't own it). Utah has zero political and legal leverage.
- x88justy, on 12/06/2008, -2/+5Where are the Mormons on this? Believe it or not, they have in the past worked to stop the exploitation of Utah for minerals and coal in coalition with the Native Americans. They once stopped this plan to use Utah water to run a sluice from a mine to speed up a mining operation that would have drained Utah dry. C'mon, Mormons, draw the line.
- inactive, on 12/06/2008, -1/+4^^^^^ Why don't you go to a Grateful Dead concert, tree-hugger?
- inactive, on 12/07/2008, -0/+3Montana recently bought 100k acres to add as state park area. We did it because it made sense for that particular part of the state.
Meanwhile, Montana has allocated other parts for oil and gas, because it makes sense for that area.
There are plenty of areas in America that are not developed. Take a look at a U.S. map some time. - solid12345, on 12/06/2008, -2/+5Only environmentalist wackos would be concerned about a 100,000 square foot oil well in the middle of 100,000 acres. You wouldn't even notice it.
- weasler7, on 12/06/2008, -9/+11Good, I hope future development will be good for the economy.
- Pake, on 12/06/2008, -1/+3Worst idea ever, since it'll destroy one of the most scenic hiking and mtb'ing places ever. Not to mention, it wouldn't even put a dent into our dependency on foreign oil and the oil real way to get off foreign oil is through alternative energies.
- BMF17, on 12/06/2008, -2/+4We need to get off our dependency to foreign oil. We do that by doing two things: drill more domestically and moving towards alternate energy. We can only drill in places with reservoirs with natural gas and crude oil. Utah is only good for two things - natural resources and an occasional Jazz game.
- hadees, on 12/06/2008, -2/+4Most of America is already developed whats wrong with trying to keep some areas wild?
- ShadowdStranger, on 12/06/2008, -0/+2Comment of the day, and it perfectly shows the digg mentality.
- eddiefirmage, on 12/06/2008, -2/+4Your comment is utter *****. Of course we all use cars, gas, and electricity. But that doesn't mean that we can continue doing so. Alternative solutions to cars and gas must be found now. Alternative ways of making electricity must be found now. Continuing to divide up our precious land (I live in Utah, you probably don't) isn't helping any of those problems. It is procrastination of the worst kind. Not only does it not solve our problems but it makes them worse and puts more money into the hands of people who will continue to make it worse.
They want to sell land that would be visible from Delicate Arch, Utah's most famous landmark. It shows peoples complete lack of respect from the sanctity of beautiful places and places that should not be touched by people. Especially by the people who look at the Earth simply as a resource instead of the place that all of us inhabit and should protect for future generations.
If you haven't seen how beautiful this land is and can't realize that some land should not be touched no matter how many resources it has then I ask you to shut up. - neo991lb, on 12/06/2008, -0/+2And I'm sure v0ider has a perfectly legitimate reason for hating the Mormon church.
/s (it's still "in" to hate Mormons) - Coffeedemon, on 12/06/2008, -1/+3I also hear that strip mining prevents forest fires.
- COINTELPROAgent, on 12/07/2008, -1/+3Yeah hadees, why don't you leave yer commune and get a job commie hippie tree-hugger!
- mfc5200, on 12/06/2008, -4/+5Jesus. Did anyone ever think that they could theoretically use this tax money to fund their current existing State Parks?
If you don't have oil or natural gas, you need to use coal. If you don't use coal, you need to use solar panels or wind turbines. Where do they get the silicon for the panels? They mine it by BLOWING UP MOUNTAINS. Where do they get the steel and and graphite for wind turbines? Same damn thing.
If you have too many wind turbines, you will probably eventually start messing with natural wind currents, which will change the climate. Pretty much in EVERY case, you end up harming the environment in one way or another. It is unavoidable. The ultimate solution? In reality its probably just have a planet with a much smaller population and birth control policies, but no one wants to talk about that.
And for all you people out there, you do know that those huge "oil rigs" contrary to popular belief are only there when you are drilling right? They go away to another site after 10-60 days. After that, you are simply left with a wellhead.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Well ...
Is it really that "anti-environment" or ugly? Not any more than a wind turbine. After the drilling is over, and the huge rig you see on TV goes away, you are just left with a wellhead and underground pipelines connecting the output to a treating facility.
Either way, by messing with the "natural" way of things, you are inevitable altering the environment. There is nothing natural about the way h
humans use energy. So if you want to have less of an effect on the environment, have less children. - coyoteblue, on 12/07/2008, -0/+1I think you're missing the point, pw. Areas like this were set aside for the "recreation and enjoyment" of every American.
- BMF17, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1Some Native Americans are making money by allowing oil and gas companies to drill on their land managed by the BiA (Bureau of Indian Affairs).
- coyoteblue, on 12/07/2008, -0/+1***** off, prick. Enough of our national parks are used for oil, timber, and mining that we don't need to auction off these pristine areas of wilderness.
- HonestAbeinator, on 12/06/2008, -2/+3Kind of makes you wonder what’s most important to us - oil, or wild and scenic places?
I would think the answer is fairly obvious by this point - vault, on 12/06/2008, -1/+2Copper prices have actually fallen pretty hard. You fail at analogies.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008 ... - sulthernao, on 12/06/2008, -3/+4It's not really ironic... That's pretty much the entire reason of why we need to stop consuming oil at such a rapid pace. Whether or not you are an environmentalist or believe in global warming, it should be clear to everyone that if we don't curb our oil intake now, we aren't going to have oil to make plastics and other goods much less to make cars go.
- neo991lb, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1Don't lump in world-class skiing and snowboarding with natural resources- so there's three things Utah is good for.
- Dweller99, on 12/06/2008, -2/+3I have never seen the Statue of Liberty. You know how much scrap Copper is going for right now??
- specialbuddy1, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1The prices haven't gone down? Prices are as low as a 1.40 in some places and probably lower. Have you been in a coma? Plus prices don't drop as soon as a barrel drops. Gas stations buy in at a certain price and have to make that money back if they want to buy more gas. Stations that sell a lot usually drop fast but if you go to the sticks the prices are still high because they still have gas that they bought at 3.00/gal from two months ago.
- zerton, on 12/06/2008, -7/+8Utah is weird.
- pw378, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1Only if we get a good interest rate!
- ZPWeeks, on 12/06/2008, -3/+4I love Utah and don't like this, but I also think this should be kept in perspective:
100,000 acres = 156 square miles. (Denver International Airport is the 2nd largest airport in the world at 53 sq. mi for comparison.)
Utah is over 88,000 square miles in area. This means that 0.18% of Utah is up for sale here. - alvarezg, on 12/07/2008, -0/+1A bad thing, but it won't be developed, just like the other millions of acres oil companies already have access to. So what is worse, that we sell off public lands or that American corporations are unwilling to invest in the USA?
- specialbuddy1, on 12/06/2008, -1/+2We'll put solar and wind out there then. People won't bitch about that at all(rolls eyes).
- vault, on 12/07/2008, -0/+1Why not develop this because it has oil and gas, and leave wild the parts without natural resources?
- specialbuddy1, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1Stop using your computer then. Be the change you want to see in the world and stop using anything that uses oil and gas. It's scenic out there but for the most part it's sand and rock. Gas wells are tiny and in the ground these days so you won't even see them. It's not like they will be right in the middle of Zion National Park.
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