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- JMellissa, on 09/17/2008, -0/+13If the only way to make money available to you is to grow palm oil trees, that's what you do.
- durgil, on 09/18/2008, -0/+5Indeed.
Too bad that corruption is so strife throughout much of the two majorly affected nations. Very little of that money will ever be seen by the diverse peoples of Malaysia & Indonesia. Most of it will be lining the politicians' pockets while the very people working the plantations will barely be able to afford cooking oil due to skyrocketing prices.. - hydrokevin, on 09/17/2008, -1/+6If its all about money then other countries may have to pitch in and subsidize the protecting of the rainforests. Perhaps the rainforests could be part of an overall carbon offset plan.
- connieLingus, on 09/18/2008, -0/+4i guess money does really grow on (oil palm) trees...
- airwalkery2k, on 09/18/2008, -0/+3Should I feel guilty? I am eating a bag of skittles right now, and a major ingrediant in them is "Palm kernal oil".
- Subliminational, on 09/18/2008, -0/+2Two major ingredients in most processed foods: palm oil and corn (corn syrup, flavorings, dyes, etc.).
- paullove, on 09/22/2008, -0/+2boycott palm oil! but again this is the government wills and if the government controlled the planting activities i think it wouldn't be a prble.
- ISIfunded911, on 09/18/2008, -1/+3Boycott cookies and all foods that contain palm oil!
Read the list of ingredients! Even organic biscuits often contain some, sorry!
Yeah, I know, more work for your brain.
This society is quite perverse. - ken1, on 02/25/2009, -0/+1that is why many of us in OECD countries are trying VERY hard to plant more trees locally.
you can plant all the palm oil you want, but i won't buy it. so you won't plant that much more. - ken1, on 02/25/2009, -0/+1not only that, but palm oil only grows at the equator.
nevermind AGW, but palm oil is SOLID at room temperature in northern california.
partially hydrogenated oil is also SOLID at room temp in norcal.
which MEANS: you are clogging your ARTERIES! with this so-called "non-trans-fat" palm oil. - slivatree, on 09/17/2008, -1/+2It's a cover up for greed.
- NotYourProdigy, on 09/18/2008, -1/+2Stop digging me down, you bastardos!
- Berkana, on 09/18/2008, -2/+3Biofuels are not the long-term answer; direct storage of solar energy is. The plant that is the most efficient at photosynthesis is the miscanthus grass, but it's efficiency tops out at 1%:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/miscanthus ...
This is somewhat higher than that of switch grass. However, even cellulosic ethanol produced from switch grass is pitiful compared to direct conversion of solar energy, which is over 70 times more efficient:
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1454/70/
Furthermore, direct conversion of solar power doesn't compete with agriculture for the use of fertile land; every last rooftop and warehouse could be used without impacting agriculture, for example. The thing we need the most research on is storage technology. Plants are technically storing solar energy in chemical bonds, but at such low efficiencies, I'm sure we could do better if we prioritize our research budgets correctly. - ken1, on 02/25/2009, -0/+1newman's organic fig newtons contain palm oil.
- angryredplanet, on 09/19/2008, -0/+1"awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww............we would be lost without our Daily Dose of Dopey Environmentalist Junk Science."
Care to point out where the science is wrong, thereby making it "junk"? Is there something wrong with Environmentalism or are you proposing that we just rape the environment some more and industrialise everything?
Humans cannot and will not survive very long without biodiversity. Make no mistake, we are destroying Earth's flora and fauna faster now than at any other time in recorded and observed history. The evidence shows that the 6th mass extinction has already begun:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldre ...
Are you getting a little worried? If not, you and others of your mindset should be. So far, the cause of this event is primarily biotic: greed/money/industrialisation, pollution, environment/habitat destruction, over-exploitation of species, climate change, invasive species. It is NOT caused by meteorite, comet, volcano, aggressive ETs or anything else you would typically think of, although these things would contribute negatively if their arrival coincided with our currently mismanaged planet.
So, we have evidence that we are essentially destroying ourselves and all you can do mock the environmentalists, whose altruistic actions and attitudes will not only help the environment but also everything in it, including you? You're so full of ***** you'd blend in nicely as a toilet. - ken1, on 02/25/2009, -0/+1hey Gorbama: real environmentalists no longer believe biofuels to be sustainable, or never did. hi.
- cnot3, on 09/18/2008, -0/+1Too many humans, not enough hoes?
- Solwara, on 09/18/2008, -0/+1I've had some experiences with palm oil plantations on New Ireland, a large island in the south pacific politically part of Papua New Guinea. The company, Polimara, I believe, is American owned and American run. They hire the local Melanesians, but call them *****, and they don't even pay local businesses or guesthouses for services. At least in Papua New Guinea, the people don't need Palm Oil to live, and I suspect it is similar elsewhere -- they get all their food and materials from gardens and the forest, and only look for work if they want to buy a western product like a cassette player. There's quite a lot of resentment for the more or less forced take over of traditional clan forest lands for these plantations.
Also, they look hideous, and smell like *****.
Check out the story of Woodlark island for more on the issue - the people had their whole island threatened with deforestation to be replaced with a monoculture plantation, and only managed to stop it by sending 100 warriors to the provincial capital in a war canoe when there happened to be a British reporter around, who brought it to the world stage and spurred protests. - stutimandal, on 09/18/2008, -1/+2Too many humans and (each having) too many needs.
- RadiatedAnt, on 09/18/2008, -1/+1Who said money don't grow on trees I was brought up on them coco leaves...
- Barackalypse, on 09/18/2008, -1/+1But, but, the environmentalists told me biofuels are sustainable, and sustainable is one of the new environmental buzzwords, so I refuse to believe they are anything but rainbows and sunshine.
- bigtummy, on 02/06/2009, -0/+0Are you suggesting that people in Asia who mostly have their lands on rainforest to NOT use their wealth (land) and have a descent livelihood (way less than European / US living standard) so that European / US people can live happily while these people suffer? Palm oil has increased country economy, eradicate poverty, give better lives for the people of 3rd world countries and you want them to just stop and die in hunger? Why not start with replanting those forest that is only 17% in the UK if forest matters that much? Brazil, Malaysia, Indonesia has got more than 60% of their land covered with forest and all agriculture are closely monitored and regulated by the government. PLUS palm oil takes only 1 acre of land to produce the same amount of vegetable oil that soy and rapeseed does with 6 acres. So palm oil plantation dont need that much land to have high yield and meet global demand. www.ceopalmoil.com
- artwell, on 09/19/2008, -0/+0Exactly.
I'm sick of Westerners telling us what not to do. They tell us it is for the environment, but what they really want is to stop us from becoming even half as wealthy as they are as countries.
Heck they ***** up their forests too! And became rich and industrialised in the process. Don't tell us it is the wrong way to go about things. - NotYourProdigy, on 09/18/2008, -1/+1Wouldn't normally agree, but does there seem to be 1000x more research being done than action.
- NotYourProdigy, on 09/18/2008, -2/+1Stop cutting down trees, you bastardos!
- donkevin, on 09/18/2008, -5/+3This wasn't MrBabyMan?
- n8f8, on 09/18/2008, -5/+2Burn liberals for fuel.
- lulzitsadigg, on 09/18/2008, -6/+3OIL PALM? A REPUBLICAN'S DREAM
- moorehouse, on 09/18/2008, -5/+2Lets just drill for more oil. That will solve this problem too.
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