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- dudefather, on 05/12/2008, -0/+30this this going to make consoling friends after a breakup more difficult
"Don't worry, theres plenty of fish in the...............nevermind" - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -2/+28billions are gonna starve. stop breeding.
- youtellme8, on 05/12/2008, -0/+22Most of Earth's people live in coastal areas, and poorer people in crowded cities rely on fish catches for their dietary staples more than the wealthy who can afford other, more distant food. This is yet another environmental problem that will slam down on the poor in the third world and have a far smaller effect on the wealthy in the USA.
- TJ11240, on 05/12/2008, -0/+19Fish to avoid - http://www.fishonline.org/advice/avoid/
Fish to eat - http://www.fishonline.org/advice/eat/ - aladrin, on 05/12/2008, -0/+15Nobody said he was the culprit, they said he would be affected most. And he will be.
To put it in your terms: The commercial fishermen are killing the poor third world fisherman that just want to feed their families. - adammharvey, on 05/12/2008, -1/+15So long and thanks for the fish
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -2/+12 No bees, no fish...we're *****.
- jayrok, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9Fish sticks will soon turn into fish twigs.
- ShadowenTheGrey, on 05/12/2008, -1/+11It is really sad, there is soo much focus on a matter where there is significant sciencetific disagreements about what is actually happening, and what is the "real" cause (Global warming androgenic or not?), and yet a simple matter where basically all of the sciencetific community, the vast majority of non-sciencetific anglers agree that fish stocks are under threat, nothing is done, and the issue is downplayed by governments and hidden
I suspect the propaganda over global warming serves a 2 prong benefit for the governments. The primary one being that they can hide politically hot potatoes such as global government sanctioned overuse of resources, such as fish stocks. Secondly control the movement of people - it is easier to control a population that isn't mobile.
Note I am not denying that Global warming is happening, but I still doubt we have enough of an understanding of the mechanisms, and the historic events, which is why I understand the debates.
A part from political issues I do not understand why nothing is being done about fish stocks, other than just showing the flag, by setting some absurd quota.
I once watched Danish TV, where they were interviewing a commercial fisherman with respects to the quotas, and how he was complaining about the quotas being so small and were threatening his way of life, because as he said "there were plenty of fish out there, and all that sciencetific mumbojumbo was coming from people who had no idea about fish stocks".. The journalist then asked whether the fisherman had filled his quota in the last few years, suddenly the fisherman changed, "No he had not used his quota in the last few years, the fishing hasn't been as good as it usually was"
hypocrite or ignorant - you judge. - forgeflow, on 05/12/2008, -0/+9There is a segment of the BBC series Blue Planet entitled "Deep Trouble" that is a must-see. It graphically shows all of the problems with industrial fishing, from problems of "over-catch" (example, shrimp boats catch much more than shrimp, 2/3 of the fish and crustaceans they capture are simply dumped back overboard, dead) to drag-net fishing (tears up the bottom of the ocean, killing everything in it's path, and destroying habitats). These practices are turning large stretches of the ocean into deserts. They also touch on the problems with fish farming (the fish they use to feed fish stocks are the "junk" fish that local poor populations would normally be eating). The episode also pointed out the dangers of deep sea fishing - there are species at the fish markets that were unknown to science 20 years ago because they are fishing deeper and deeper - the fish at the upper reaches of the ocean are simply gone.
I'm no environmentalist whacko, but anyone with eyes and a brain can see that we have had a devastating effect on life in the sea. By the time we get some kind of international ban on fishing it will likely be too late. Meanwhile, people worry about junk science like global warming or the "threat" of carbon dioxide (essential to all life on the planet) when this is a real catastrophe in the making, and clearly all of our own doing. - bremstrong, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8Sobering.
- goscript, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8I have an aquarium in my living room. So I am basically saving the world for you guys in case oceans run out of fish.
- pkbnyc, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7It's frightening, Smithsonian did a series last summer talking about the over fishing, vicious shark de-finning, crumbling coral reefs and sustainable fish consumption guide. http://microsite.smithsonianmag.com/content/ecocen ...
- Leomarth, on 05/12/2008, -2/+10Ah, the problem of the commons. Nobody actually owns the oceans, and they're regulated by government, and what do we get for it? Overfishing.
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Teen angst is still a bitch I see. Dont worry, you will get laid sooner or later.
- pennvneff, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8As someone who live up in the Pacific Northwest, this unfortunately old news. The commercial Salmon stock up here has collapsed, gone, kuput, finished. A 300 million dollar economy has dried up and that's affected a lot of people.
And the shame of it is, this collapse is just a symptom of a much larger issue that nobody is willing to address. First are the irrigation pumps that kill young fish heading out to the sea and second much scarier issue is the fact that whatever fish do make it out the ocean, these fish are running out of food. And that's due to the ocean's water becoming warmer killing the plankton that Salmon eat.
And it doesn't help that states like California, Oregon and Washington have stopped fishing for Salmon, while countries like China and Canada do not. Oh yeah can't forget the term "global warming" isn't real to some people either nor do issues like sustainability deserve any real merit or discussion. - reginaldino, on 05/12/2008, -2/+10i blame the Spanish
- Malacandra95, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6The attitude of a real problem solver.
- edebolt, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5I will switch to chicken of the sea
- hendrixiloveyou, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5very bad (and saddening) news for the future especially with a growing world population
- DmtriPutin, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5As I keep saying. We don't have a global warming problem, we have an irresponsible resource allocation and development problem. We could exist with global warming if we didn't fish the waters to extinction, build on marshlands and flood plains, and reduce our genetic diversity to nill!
- Intercon, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5There's nothing natural about dumping tonnes of trash, human waste, nuclear waste, pesticides, and fertilizers into the world's oceans. Nor is there anything natural about dragging giant nets across the ocean floors, wrecking habitat for millions of animals, simply to catch certain ones for human consumption. Nor is there anything natural about the scale of deforestation that has taken place on our planet in the last 200 years. Global climate change aside, humans are responsible for unprecedented rates of resource consumption and degradation worldwide.
- hydroplane, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Greed kills
- GovernmentsGun, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5There is actually quite a few regulations on what fisherman can take. The regulation is permitting this.
- tbstudee, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5People won't learn until the seas are barren.
It reminds me of what happened to the buffalo in the american west. Repeating the same mistakes. - MacEnvy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4That was quite nearly incomprehensible. You do seem very angry though.
- MidnightRealism, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5I'm not totally clear on why I'm being buried, since I didn't apply any value statement one way or the other to the above. Temperature tolerance in fish species is extremely narrow. That's why you have to monitor that sort of thing if you have an aquarium. Simple fact.
- CiXeL, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4when modern society came across easter island there were a few stragglers hanging around. they usually find these stragglers around every collapsed society. usually living up in the hills or something and scraping by. what i'm fascinated with is no one has ever studied how those stragglers made it through or what events led up to their situation. i intend to be one of those stragglers when it all comes apart. if i have to eat feces to survive i will.
i believe i was right when i was telling people the late 90s was the height of our civilization and that the bloom had fallen off the stem.
of course maybe you could consider when we gave up on space exploration as the failing point because its the point we decided we'd give up on the future. - MidnightRealism, on 05/12/2008, -2/+7The LACK of regulation is the whole problem. With no penalty for taking as much as you can carry, it's no wonder populations are on the decline.
- theGerhard, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4"Oh yeah, Reilly? Well, the Jerk Store called, and they're running out of you."
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Sea Bass (aka Talapia) and Tuna on the "not to eat" list. *Sigh* And Salmon!
I assure you, few of us are getting our Tuna "pole caught" so I don't know why they bother to mention it.
Other than the very "fishy tasting" fish -- most of the ones we want to eat are getting endangered. The real guide is, if your fish was farm raised or not. If it is a fish you like, and it wasn't farm raised, then it is probably dying out and you should avoid it.
I guess I have to give up Sushi anyway, because I can't trust the waters they come from anymore. - Szandor, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3As opposed to the non-factual BS some random guy on Digg spews out?
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6I have been telling people that's why i don't eat fish for years... they have looked at me like i had two heads!
- MidnightRealism, on 05/12/2008, -3/+7Oceanic temperature changes of a couple of degrees Celcius would kill the vast majority of what's in the ocean
- thumperings, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Yuk. I would never eat a second head.
- Dante2005, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he clears out the whole bloody ocean! - Eddiecoaster, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2In Hawaii there is a temporary deep sea fishing ban. They do this to help the fish population recover.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2What, you would prefer the food running out coming as a complete surprise? Maybe if we put disaster in a box and gift-wrapped it with a note that says; "Don't open until Christmas"?
Yes, there are alarmists --but some problems take a while to unfold. I'd say this is a real problem that you will start noticing sooner rather than later. - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Hypocrite or ignorant? Probably worse, a idiotic hypocrite.
- MacEnvy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Apparently not, according to the article.
- Logan42, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2"What's the difference? You're their all-time best seller!"
- ZurMacht, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2This ***** doesn't happen overnight, this isn't The Stand.
- daeus, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3erm I knew this 10 years ago..and I'm 12
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Well, how much warning and lead time do people need to deal with a problem?
Apparently, warning people there is an impending issue with "if we don't change our ways -- we will destroy the oceans" doesn't sink in because you've been told too many times.
I'm sure, when it impacts you, you will turn on Fox News and someone will say the line; "Nobody ever expected the oceans to fail."
Yes, Oceans no longer protect us.
More evidence, means that you can ignore the information. Now I see why we can't make traction on Global Warming, Pollution, and impeaching George Bush -- we have TOO MUCH evidence. - VitriolAndAngst, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Great points.
But how can you learn all this and then call Environmentalists "wacko?" Aren't they having the correct response to unsustainable human practices that can kill us all? Can we get upset about something and care again? - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2I was shocked, but most of the fish I consider tasty were in the "To Eat" page. I expected them to be the more endangered one.
- infiniteduck, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Technically farmed Atlantic salmon should be on the avoid list. Farmed salmon are a cross breed between salmon and trout which are causing some issues with the wild populations when they escape. Also the majority of farms aren't 'clean'. They overfed the salmon and spew antibiotics that are hurting the local shell fish populations by basically drowning them in drugs, crap, and uneaten food.
So all Atlantic salmon farmed or wild should be avoided.... I like salmon... =( - Hillsfar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Daeus, we and the rest of the world owe you and the new generations a huge apology.
- RC212V, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2This is crystal clear example of what is called a tragedy of the commons. When there is a common exhaustible resource that everyone has access to each individual actor is motivated to take as much as he can because he feels that if he doesn't, someone else will. If everyone just took a moderate catch then there'd be enough for everybody but due to the fear of getting beat out, everyone takes way more than they need. And of course, prime contributors are ignorance and profiteering. You could practice sustainable fishing but if you rape and pillage now you'll make more money.
Without some sort of international agreements that are enforceable with serious penalties the overfishing problem will not be solved. Any voluntary agreement or industry agreement is simply not going to be honored. -
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