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- mrcaulfield, on 01/09/2009, -17/+45The Global Warming debate:
After researching a lot of educated arguments from credible scientists on both sides and finding a lot of corruption on both sides as well I can only conclude that I have no clue as to what the absolute truth is. I do know however, that global warming/cooling has been around since Earth came into existence and that it's temperature has been dictated heavily by sunspot activity.
I'm also aware that during the "Post-WW2 Economic Boom" we began to heavily increase the amount of "greenhouse gases" being put into the air, but Earth's temperature dropped.
I've yet to find any research pertaining to the idea that maybe "manmade climate change" is regional while "natural climate change" plays a more global factor. If anyone has a link to such a theory (greenfrye?) I welcome it in a response. - Doofy, on 01/09/2009, -12/+35Did those climate model predict the record cold we've had for the last 2 years?
- heyitsguay, on 01/10/2009, -5/+27...Unless is also opens up vast tracts of land in areas like Russian and northern Canada for farming too. Or any of a million other things that could happen if the globe does heat up.
Why don't we just admit as a species that we have no idea what effect anything will have on the climate, but that it's probably a good idea to stop spewing pollutants in the air. - cologreengrass, on 01/09/2009, -9/+29The best part of the Global Warming debate is that we still don't know anything about the Earth's cycle's, in any measureable way. We don't know if the Earth likes to be warm for 10,000 years, then cools considerably for 2000 years, then warms again or what it likes to do. We just don't know how much of an impact the sun has on the Earth's cycles either.
Yes, there is an extremely small percentage of man-made greenhouse gases. However, one volcanic eruption puts out more greenhouse gases and has more impact on the Earth's climate than we have in the last decade. The last two decades of warmth is more about the cycles of the Earth and Sun rather than man's miniscule additions to the greenhouse gases. - vsujohn2, on 01/10/2009, -10/+22"Climate models predict"
I stopped right there. Didn't need to read any more. - PhoenixFlames, on 01/09/2009, -5/+16The doom and gloom for earth continues.
- westtexas357, on 01/10/2009, -7/+18Haven't you heard? we aren't using the word warming. go with "change" .
That you can be right about more often - shutaro, on 01/09/2009, -6/+17May? Don't waste my time if you're not even sure!
- Habemus, on 01/10/2009, -4/+14This just in:
"University Research Grants May Wither as Global Warming Diminishes" - inactive, on 01/09/2009, -15/+24OR... They may not.
OR... The globe may cool. - Barackalypse, on 01/10/2009, -2/+11Should I be as scared of this as I am of terrorists that hate my freedom?
- AaronCo, on 01/10/2009, -9/+17The globe isn't warming. The climate is, however, changing. Some areas will get more rain, others will get less rain. Wind patterns will change, and the result will be far less predictable than "more hot" or "more cold." Some of this change may be due to people, but most of it is merely cyclical.
The real question tho is... what can we do about it? The answer, for the most part... nothing. - JHW539, on 01/10/2009, -5/+12Um, we haven't had record cold these last 2 years. The last 2 years have been the coldest since 2000, "this century" if you want to be deceptive. But still about the tenth warmest year since 1850. I don't really consider "in the top 10% warmest year of the last 150" to be record cold...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7574603. ...
"...2008 is set to be about the 10th warmest year since 1850, and Met Office scientists say temperatures will rise again as La Nina conditions ease."
And yes, the climate models did predict this year would be among the coldest of the last eight. The La Nina conditions are very well understood (Ye Olde Farmers Almanac probably accurately predicted it). - Infowarsdotcom, on 01/10/2009, -7/+14Cow/dairy farmers may pass expenses on to you as the "greenwashing" fanatics try to pass a fart tax on cows.
Search for cow fart tax...just whatever you do DON'T go to cowtax-dot-you-know-the-rest if it comes up in the search. Worse than Goatse. You've been warned. - maajake, on 01/10/2009, -1/+8Get the whole picture before making his decisions? What is he, intelligent!?
- Naieve, on 01/10/2009, -4/+10Actually Moniker, none of the models I have heard of were able to get it right. In fact to date the attempts at climate modeling using CO2 as the cause has failed utterly with every single attempt forcing a drastic revision when proven wrong.
You think by now they would realize they are missing a few pieces of the puzzle.
If you don't believe me, go read the disclaimers on every single model from a reputable source. They freely admit they are far from getting it right. - inactive, on 01/10/2009, -2/+8In related news, "The Coldest Weather Possible In Nearly 15 Years"
http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?p ... - inactive, on 01/10/2009, -0/+6agreed..... crops MAY wither, oceans MAY rise, people MAY be displaced, food MAY disappear, the earth MAY someday look like planet mercury, my taint MAY chafe from summer heat, i MAY get a sunburn, blah, blah blah, fear, fear, fear, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....
sensationalism at it's finest
"Always seek the approval of others. It fills the emptiness inside you. It also makes the emptiness LARGER so it can hold MORE approval." - mrcaulfield, on 01/10/2009, -2/+8"Al Gore brought me back to the battle and prompted me to do renewed research in the field of climatology. And because of all the misinformation that Gore and his army have been spreading about climate change I have decided that ‘real' climatologists should try to help the public understand the nature of the problem,” Climatologist Robert Durrenberger, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists, declared in May 2007.
- friday1970, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5But, you're still willing to shovel it?
- Naieve, on 01/10/2009, -2/+7Isn't it interesting how many many folks, with absolutely no idea of historical volcanic activity, think current trends dictate how it always was.
- PopcornDave, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5Well if we're out of time, then we're ***** anyway so what's the difference?
- cardgame, on 01/10/2009, -1/+6@ Green
first I have seen Holocene Optimum temps higher than this chart so obviously there is some finagling with the chart. But beyond that, even this chart shows that the holocene and today are close and that they are warming periods. Second, it shows that our temperature record started in a cold period, My MAIN ARGUMENT. Third, the end of the chart shows how bad things are going to be because the models say so, when in reality we have started to dip back down, are continuing down and the maximum change over the last century is .7. SO WHAT! your chart only supports what I am saying. - noen, on 01/10/2009, -4/+9CO2 is also a greenhouse gas. If you dump billions of tons of it into the atmosphere you will warm the climate. And it's spelled "soot".
- Habemus, on 01/10/2009, -2/+7>Secondly I love all the people citing winter cold as a reason to discredit climate change.
How is that any different from those who cite summer heat as a reason to buttress climate change? - naguszed, on 01/10/2009, -4/+9I dug this on the basis that it's ridiculous. Global COOLING would be much worse for food production. If this happens, does it mean we use the fake data to produce CO2 to warm things back up?
- hawkeye22, on 01/10/2009, -4/+9Didn't the Telegraph recently publish an article which basically said that the whole idea of "global warming" was utter *****?
EDIT: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/chri ... - friday1970, on 01/10/2009, -1/+5I wonder if anyone would care to shovel the 8 inches of global warming covering my driveway. I'd normally using my carbon spewing snow blower. But, I'll give you eco-warriors a chance to do it for me instead.
- SQLserver, on 01/10/2009, -2/+6lol, so true.
- woodrow8292, on 01/11/2009, -0/+4No I am serious when is the climate going to change or the globe to warm? Shouldn't I be seeing some serious changes by now if it's such a dire situation. If the globe is warming and the climate is changing when can I expect some of the trickle down of this. I would like winters like Florida for a change
- user500, on 01/11/2009, -0/+4 If there models are so accurate why cant they predict next weeks weather correctly?
- BossKey, on 01/10/2009, -3/+7If this really happens, you'll have border patrols trying to repel illegal immigrant workers from the impoverished south.
Except the country will be Canada and the poor ex-farmers will be from the desertified American Midwest, trying to cross to the newly fertile Canadian provinces north for jobs so they can send money home. - AGWSkeptic, on 01/11/2009, -0/+4Actually during all previous periods of Global Warming, plantlife grew on planet earth. Carbon Dioxide is food for plants after all. Wasn't Mann's hockeystick partially based on both tree ring data AND ice cores after all? So global warming would hardly cause crops to fail. That's why Greenland was called Greenland when the norse settled it during the Medieval Warming period. So Scientific American continues to throw out the GW propaganda. I remember when I was a kid they had scientists there but now they just have journalists and advocates. too bad. used to be a good magazine. now it might as well be Newsweek.
- TheMoniker, on 01/10/2009, -7/+11It's not a record cold globally, and while a few models did, most did not. The reason for this is that they work on timescales on the order of 30 years, in other words, climate, whereas a change of two years would more properly be classified as 'weather'.
- MCBROCK, on 01/10/2009, -3/+7I am not buying in to the religion of man-made global warming. Man has always overestimated our importance (for example, it was once widely believed that the Earth was the center of universe).
Still, IF global warming is happening why would it be bad for crops? It seems that currently, cropland is limited in regions where it to TOO cold. Russia and Canada alone would greatly increase global farmland if they were warmer.
Also, plants LIKE carbon dioxide. The are greenhouses that pump in extra amounts of it because it INCREASES plant growth.
Global Warming (natural or man-made) could cause other problems, but I suspect that vegetation would do just fine. - Bobboq, on 01/10/2009, -3/+7"...in Norway spawned the idea of looking at average summer temperatures, which climate models can project relatively reliably..."
Relative to what? We have less than 100 years of data and are attempting to correctly model hundreds of thousands of years... - user500, on 01/11/2009, -1/+5"The wold is flat" and "the world is the center of the universe" both had broad support. Do you support those too "graeh"? If there models are so accurate why cant they predict next weeks weather correctly?
- Naieve, on 01/10/2009, -1/+5"My assessment is that the model results were as consistent with the real world over this period as could possibly be expected"
as could possibly be expected
I'd believe that more if it didn't have "Hansen oops I forgot to check the Russian figures but have some more from the Arctic to make up for them and keep October as the hottest month I want." - cardgame, on 01/10/2009, -3/+7man how may times do we have to go over this. when you start measuring from a mild ice age to a current warming period you get what? WARMEST years ever. what news is that? Measuring my car acceleration from a stand still to when I am 60 mph means that my current speed is the Fastest I have ever travelled since measurements have been made. Completely bogus information. Go back to the medieval warming periods and the current temperature in in the middle of the road to just above average. Go back to the holocene optimum and our current temperature is Freezing. the record from 1850 is misleading because of where it began measuring.
- quinster, on 01/10/2009, -3/+7If that was true there would be people in Vancouver and Seattle celebrating New Years in their bathing suites. Here in Alberta I've frozen my butt off, and Saskatchewan was much worse.
It would be nice for our farmers if it was true. Warmer summers and longer growing seasons, they could produce a lot more food, especially considering Northern Alberta is much more humid than the South. - cliffzdude, on 01/10/2009, -1/+4Citation needed...
- naguszed, on 01/10/2009, -3/+6Sorry, I guess i forgot to genuflect to the Left before speaking critically of the warming dogma.
This is no different than the Mayans using astronomical events to coerce their own population into ridiculous behavior. In their case, it was ritual sacrifice. In ours it's using weather events to induce poverty for the "good of the planet". In the cold. - friday1970, on 01/11/2009, -0/+3So, you've completely lowered yourself to using mommy jokes. Are you done being completely pathetic with your miserable life?
- cardgame, on 01/10/2009, -3/+6bingo
- inactive, on 01/11/2009, -1/+4"The IPCC does *not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters*. Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of the risk of *human-induced climate change*, its observed and projected impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation."
from: http://www.ipcc.ch/about/index.htm - thecatcantalk, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3I can see it now, tens of thousands of Republican Bush-lovers being turned back at the Canadian border, after having lost their homes and livelihoods.
Justice, baby, sweet, sweet justice. - cardgame, on 01/10/2009, -1/+4there are lies, damn lie, statistics and Global Climate models. accurate to what? based on what? using what? correlated and homogenized how? and will I need to file a Freedom of Information Act to get access to how the model is set up like Climate Audit has had to do a number of times and still can't get an answer.
please - thesandbender, on 01/10/2009, -3/+6Anecdotal... but my brother is a transportation broker and his life is hell right now b/c the upper half of the US is getting pounded with snow and ice the likes of which they haven't seen for years. My friends in NYC are b*tching about all they snow they're getting this year. It's getting so cold in Alaska that they had to ground commercial jet liners in some places and Europe is getting it just as bad.
Oh... and artic ice is *growing*.
I'm all for not pumping crap into the atmosphere... but if anything is going to kill crops this year... it's just as likely to be frost/freeze. - mrcaulfield, on 01/10/2009, -1/+4http://tinyurl.com/gtp6z
- elliotys, on 01/10/2009, -4/+7But. . . but. . .it's really cold right now, so that MUST mean that climate change is a complete sham.
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