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- AmyVernon, on 04/20/2009, -1/+13There's a difference between a rainforest and a flooded rainforest.
- say592, on 04/21/2009, -2/+4FTA: Of course, who needs veto power when you have a machete?
Im pretty sure that a similar concept was behind the implementation of the 2nd amendment. - BarbedImp, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Fifteen feet of water, to be exact.
- celotil, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2We call our indigenous, Australian Aborigines.
I can't remember much about it, but I got a chuckle years back watching some silly surfer flick. Some professor, studying the white kids with sun-bleached hair and doing nothing but surfing and partying at the beach, kept calling the local surfers, "aborigines".
It was amusing to me simply cause ... well, isn't it obvious? - Kapitaine, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2You just have no idea.
- munna80, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Dude, you have no clue what you are talking about.
- fadeout, on 04/21/2009, -2/+4So now you're complaining about governments creating zero emission power plants, too? The power has to come from somewhere, someone will be inconvenienced... electricity does not come from rainbows and drum circles.
TVA lifted the south out of the dark ages, let other countries do the same for their own people without trying to impose your hypocritical beliefs on them. - Junkyarddawg, on 04/21/2009, -2/+4The Xingu river is one of the most species-rich in the world. It's home to about as many unique species of fish as are found on the entire continent of Europe. Most of them will become rare or extinguished by this dam.
This dam is the first part of a gigantic plan to clear-cut 1/3rd of the amazon and turn it into soy bean plantations. A series of other, and much bigger, dams are to be built after this one. Their purpose is not to produce electricity, but to provide shipping-lanes for the lumber and soy beans. This plan it president Lula's "legacy", he wants to "modernize" the "backwards" amazon, and it's already decided upon and it's already got funding.
Western environmental organizations have completely ignored this because they are myopically focussing on global warming right now, and the Brazilian government shrewdly played to that. Several local people who've opposed these plans have been killed. - fmohr, on 04/20/2009, -8/+10Oh no! Don't flood the rainforest!
- Junkyarddawg, on 04/21/2009, -1/+3The thing is, the Belo Monte dam is only the first. On its own it actually runs at a loss - it can only produce electricity during wet season - so a much larger dam has to be built upstream to store water. And other, also much larger, dams are planned for other amazonian tributaries. Their real purpose isn't to produce electricity, although they'll do that, but to open up the interior of the amazon for logging and soy bean farming.
- Junkyarddawg, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2People who protest developments in Brazil have a tendency to get dead, and their murderers are never captured. In the case of this particular dam, six opponents were murdered in 2001 for instance.
If you're rich in Brazil you can do pretty much what you want, including murder poor people who stand in your way. - lostinseganet, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2hmm good point. Yet the power helps you justicfy you position. Its a law :)
- sndream, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1Not satisfy with just burning down a large part of the rain forest each year, I can see Brazil are try to flood it too.
- mishaneah, on 04/21/2009, -3/+4"we need to get rid of coal and use renewable energy..."
"Oh no! they are flooding areas and displacing thousands for sustainable hydro-electric power!"
It's not a parking lot people. stop sipp'n on the crazy. - socialpyramid, on 04/20/2009, -1/+2good point!
- xero69, on 04/21/2009, -3/+4dear lord, what will happen to the fine women of brazil?!?!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eb8972d2f4 - rac3r5, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2Ok, 550 yrs after Columbus and we're still calling them Indians. WTF. They are aboriginal Brazilians or the indigenous Brazilians. Now lets call all the Spanish ppl Chinese.
I think Canada is the only sane nation that calls our indigenous population Aboriginal Canadian or First Nations. - CateFaehrmann, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2Ummm... by flooding the rainforest you actually kill it. Like it gets covered with lots and lots of water and the forest doesn't survive. Species are killed, including fish and many land-based animals from the massive flooding itself (200 square miles of tropical rainforest!), and then many fish and animals dependent on healthy river systems die out as a result of the river not functioning properly downstream from the dam.
http://catefaehrmann.wordpress.com - JBizness, on 04/21/2009, -1/+1Without even getting into the environmental aspect, 19,000 people are going to lose their homes. I'm sorry if I find it a bit harder to just shrug that off as you do. But what if it was your home? Your family? I bet you'd be singing a different tune if it was you who had to pack up and leave.
And THAT would be hypocritical. - mikemehak, on 04/21/2009, -6/+6Many monkeys don't like water. However, some types of monkeys enjoy playing in the water. The macaque monkey for instance, is one of the breeds who enjoys the water.
I see this as a major problem for the monkeys who do not enjoy water. But for those monkeys such as the macaque, this is a major bonus. - Junkyarddawg, on 04/21/2009, -2/+2They DID do an enviromental assessment. It was fraudulent, and, for instance, didn't even consider the environmental effects of the dam other than the effects it'd have on Global Warming.
Yes, Global Warming. Yes, really.
Oh, and this dam by its own will only produce electricity during wet season, and will actually run at a loss. It requires bigger dams built upstream to store water to be profitable. - daeus, on 04/21/2009, -2/+2Brazil destroyed their forests in Watchmen too
- Hologram0110, on 04/21/2009, -9/+7If they do a through environmental assessment it might not be a bad thing. Although it would destroy some habitat it may be worth it because of the scale of the power which could be produced. Please don't suggest wind//solar as an alternative source of electricity, it isn't constant enough and the storage systems are simply bad on large scales.
IMHO, moving 19 000 is small potatoes for a 14 billion dollar project which would produce power for MANY more. - GoldenPearl, on 04/21/2009, -5/+3I mentioned this project last week in a class here in Brazil...
Instead of flooding land I think Brazil should look into hydrokinetics in the mouth of the Amazon river. - Traiklin, on 04/21/2009, -4/+2so THAT'S what they are doing with the water from New Orleans.
/s for those that can't sense it. - cambob76, on 04/21/2009, -6/+3d
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -7/+3Billy Mays is a Scientologist.
- himthatwas, on 04/21/2009, -6/+2Brazil Set to Flood Rainforest, Displace Thousands
- byikes, on 04/21/2009, -7/+3This could end up protecting the rain forest by simply forcing humans away from it. I read the title as "Flooding the rain forest, to displace thousands" and loved the idea. Power generation is just a plus.
- andrewlotta, on 04/21/2009, -18/+2ENUGH WITH THE WEED SPAM!
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