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- CalgaryFreedom, on 06/26/2008, -2/+35As an Albertan, I do find this hilarious. Its really a catch 22. I'm not an expert on pollution, and as a promoter of renewables, I understand that we should always be seeking better methods. Yet, I'd much rather have the US buying our oil than international countries (for various reasons) and I'd be worried what the political fallout of such a decision may be. These mayors need to consider the possibility of losing their international supply chains, and with the percentage of the US supply that comes specifically from Alberta - I'd say they need to think really carefully about what message they are sending.
- ThomasPaine23, on 06/27/2008, -2/+24Hello,
Anyone care to look at the environmental costs of a hundreds of jets, choppers, tanks, humvees etc driving all over Iraq?
Add in to that the environmental costs of spewing a ***** of depleted uranium all over the middle east, (not to mention the financial and human costs) and I think Alberta tar sands look a helluva lot better in the grand scheme of things...... - Railer, on 06/26/2008, -20/+371. The tarsands are incredibly clean, the people who say its not are in California and Florida and I doubt could find Canada on a map, never mind the tarsands. They are alarmist morons.
2. Do you really think we here in Alberta give a ***** if the US wants our oil? Ring Ring....China? You want to buy all the oil the US won't take, ok. Ring Ring...Hi India...what's up, you need way more oil... cool just so happens the US just gave up their share, It's all yours.
The tankers coming from Saudi Arabia to feed the US would be only too happy to take our oil back to China.
If Florida $10 a gallon gas, exactly why do I as an Albertan care?
Oh btw I think Florida orange juice is "bad for the environment", I think it's time for Canada to start some boycotts of its own. - h0ser, on 06/26/2008, -2/+17it said that alberta oil supplies 10% of the US oil needs.
Canada has 10% of the population the US does.
Keep it in Canada and we'll become completely self sufficient for oil. - wynja, on 06/26/2008, -7/+22You premise is flawed. Tar sands are extremely dirty to refine. You refine 2 tons of sand to get a single barrel of oil. That means you burn a lot of the oil getting more oil. On top of that, you have to worry about what to do with the 2 tons of muck that you've just sucked the oil out of, and don't think for a minute that it's clean when the refining process is done.
On the other hand, boycotting a source of oil that provides 10% of our fuel in the middle of an energy crisis is ***** retarded. - geoken, on 06/26/2008, -4/+17Good point railer. People who complain about the dirtiness of the tar sands usually have a lot of facts to back up their claims, but your rebuttal (calling those people morons and offering absolutely no opposing data) is certainly convincing.
- Spudster, on 06/27/2008, -0/+12If I'm not mistaken, Canada is a net exporter of energy already.
- kbattack, on 06/27/2008, -1/+12ummm now oil is driving our Canadian economy, and most Albertans depend heavily upon it and its investments. But for those Albertans (and others) who say the tar sands are clean!? Get over it, they are not.
check it out
http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/jun08/fe ...
Most Albertans are so busy letting their ego's get out of control because of the economic benefits their province is bringing, they are willing to sacrifice stopping and taking a look at what the project is doing to their OWN BACKYARDS. They wont be so smug in 20 years when the world no longer depends heavily on oil and their province is a wasteland. - carfey, on 06/27/2008, -1/+10Canadians pay more because of higher taxes. Free trade means Canada and the US are getting the oil at the same price. The difference you see is tax.
- ArtificialAnus, on 06/27/2008, -4/+12Yes, alberta could run itself as a country.... For about 50 years until the oil runs out.
Then, because you're not located near any center of industry (bordering montana) and there's a much nicer place to live just to the west of you, a gigantic brain & money drain will occur. - shoover, on 06/27/2008, -1/+8Canada has always been a net exporter of energy, and it isn't just Alberta that exports. NFLD and Sask also do.
- icndvl, on 06/27/2008, -4/+11One thing us Canadians can always count on is American consumerism.
- RogueMountie, on 06/27/2008, -0/+6Many people outside of Alberta wish Alberta would run itself as a country too.
- johnmcd, on 06/27/2008, -1/+7Living in Calgary, Many people I know think Alberta could run itself as a country.
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -3/+9> exactly why do I as an Albertan care?
You will care when Bush/McCain/Obama "discovers" that Fort McMurray is an Al Qaeda hot spot and sends US troops to Northern Alberta fight the "terrorists"... and to "protect" the tarsands :) - Spudster, on 06/27/2008, -3/+9My local economy thrives on Alberta oil, and even I think it is very disingenius to suggest that the tarsands are a clean source of energy.
- kingmanic, on 06/27/2008, -0/+6Canada is a net exporter. We aren't importing as much energy as we export. But again due to how the corporations have structured it and how other nations have pressured Canada's industries, Canada ships it's natural/synthetic crude out and buys back gasoline. It's pretty dumb. Blame the past 2 governments.
- kingmanic, on 06/27/2008, -4/+10They burn natural gas not oil as well as having a nuclear plant in the works to supply alternate energy. The muck is no more dirty then it was before you dug it out, so you can hold it and put it back where you found it.
- Gimpyfuzznut, on 06/27/2008, -0/+5Quebec also exports hydro-electricity.
- barius, on 06/27/2008, -1/+6Their ego's have been out of control since the last spike in oil prices in the '70s.
- Ransack, on 06/27/2008, -2/+6Americans dont give a rats ass about the environment, human life, international law, or any other vague ideas. They care about cheap gas, guns, and fast food. They will buy the tar sand oil.
- timbro1, on 06/27/2008, -1/+5hmm maybe we can get a price drop if the US boycotts our oil.. I don't see a negative here. I don't give a ***** if their profits go down thats for sure
- monsterette, on 06/26/2008, -1/+5...eeehhh: "If the pipeline to the south is shut off, heavy oil will be shipped in gas-emitting tankers to China or India where it will be given a dirtier refining and burned in less fuel-efficient cars."
- rald84, on 06/27/2008, -0/+4not only oil, but alberta also has head-smashed-in buffalo jump.
in case you missed it today (image 7)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/2193629/Sign-lan ...
http://digg.com/travel_places/7_More_Inexplicable_ ... - kingmanic, on 06/27/2008, -0/+4We're talking average body weight?
- tim04, on 06/27/2008, -3/+7hahahaha...the United STATES is complaining about dirty oil...when it's $140 a barrel. Priceless. I'd rather sell it to China, bet they'd appreciate it a lot more and we'd probably get huge trading perks from it.
- cheesehead, on 06/27/2008, -0/+3Too bad we couldn't export all of our so-called leaders.
- halliburke, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2What a retarded comment.
- Dyzon, on 06/27/2008, -0/+3I don't understand why they should worry about shipping it internationally anyways, as Canada's oil should technically be used in Canada if its that much of a problem being sent elsewhere. Especially considering that Canada is importing most of its oil and its costing huge amounts of money to get it from other sources. We also have refineries in the atlantic provinces shipping oil to Europe and not to Canada...
- barius, on 06/27/2008, -2/+5Yeah, perks like free lead-painted toys...
- Cam_86, on 06/27/2008, -3/+6Did you even read the article?
"...the oil sands are aiming to shake the label of The Most Destructive Project on Earth assigned to it by Toronto-based Environmental Defence."
Now i know you LOVE taking shots at americans poor grasp on geography, but you seem to think Toronto is in Florida or California. Mock americans for confusing it as our capitol all you want, at least they know what COUNTRY its in.
Also, anyone in alberta is well aware the tar sands are not environmentally clean. The fact that you claim it to be "incredibly clean" is laughable at best, but more realistically, depressing. - Railer, on 06/27/2008, -0/+3http://oilsands.alberta.ca/4.cfm
- tim04, on 06/27/2008, -0/+3More like China using us as their Pacific Gateway, but okay, stick with your ignorant views. More money for us while the US crashes and burns.
- TheMachine1, on 06/27/2008, -1/+4Nuclear power could supply the thermoenergy to heat the tar sands to extract the oil. It could also provide the energy to fractionally distill it ,crack it , remove the sulfur , run electric trains to bring the tar-sand to and from the processing plant and electric digging equipment like coal power plants use.
- TACV, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2Well, just found an interesting and recent post on digg where people think they found a way to beat the price at the pump... I think its just going to be another fact of life! Get a bike! http://digg.com/people/MAKE_EXXON_MOBILE_YOUR_BITC ...
- benmiller313, on 06/27/2008, -3/+5...Northern Alberta is not what i would call the most majestic and bio diverse place in the province. And the premier doesnt care about these messages. we have more oil in the tar sands than the entire country of Saudi Arabia. its very annoying that everyone in the states complains about oil prices and then turns around and wants to boycott the tarsands. go for it.
- Cryptopsy, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2Toxic Alberta - http://www.vbs.tv/shows.php?show=1127&source=drop
- banderwocky, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2Meh, screw em. Sell it to India or China.
- Opiate, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2I love it when Canadians complain about Alberta, most don't even know any but they must have an ego right? This is all about jealousy, especially Ontarians, within a bit of reason of course, but instead of putting the blame where it's due (federal government and equalization) they complain about Alberta's booming economy (the horrors of self sufficiency). Most Canadians being blood red as they are want Alberta's profit for themselves. Yes i'm from Ontario, and we are no saints either. Mass industrial pollution (vale-inco) and many coal plants.
- WhoDoneIt, on 06/27/2008, -2/+4America, Canada's butt.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3People in power will take every step to make sure that doesn't happen.
- lettruthout, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2At some point we're going to run out. Now's a good time to dump the oil habit and switch to renewables.
- xexx, on 06/27/2008, -1/+3More like Global shortage: Nonexistent.
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2BC exports wood pellets for fire places.
- corbettkroehler, on 06/26/2008, -6/+8It is EXTREMELY ironic! In February, I was at the third International Solar Cities Congress in Adelaide, South Australia. The Premier of Alberta was a keynote speaker. He did a great job, sounding all like Mr. Green. In the back of my mind, though, I couldn't help think about the tar sands devastation occuring in one of the most majestic and biodiverse regions of his province. In fact, if you visit
http://alberta.ca
there's a link to the horrible oil sands project on the homepage!
I wish that he had heard these messages sooner! - blacklilyninja, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2politicians are dumb
most are liars
and all u.s. politicians are owned by american oil/pharm interests. - barius, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2The U.S. already has our oil and they still went into Iraq, what makes you think reducing the exports from Alberta is going to change anything?
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -2/+3Quote Wiki = FAIL
- mondano, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1lets just shut off the oil and watch the price go up another dollar a gallon. Then see how much they want our dirty oil
- ArtificialAnus, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1@paradigmx
There are two points in your post that need a rebuttal.
First of all, no, I didn't just guess. As of 2006, Alberta is projected to have 150 years of oil remaining at current rates of extraction. Did you get that last bit, "at current rates"? Unfortunately for that 150 years, the rate of extraction (mostly from the tar sands) is also projected to triple by 2016...
Now let's ignore the intervening 8 years, and please follow along, because this is complicated... 150 divided by 3 is... oh THERES that 50 years. Keep in mind that the rate of extraction could easily go beyond the 3x by 2016 projected, so there could easily be much less than 50 years of oil remaining.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Canada
Second, I'll take a moment to point you to this list for quality of life, best cities 2008 (you'll notice that Edmonton does not appear)
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idCon ...
(Calgary is good though. I could live there) -
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