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- SuperJimmyJimbo, on 01/25/2009, -2/+60Between being required to pay huge prices for ***** food (if you want to live on campus), and profs requiring books they get royalties on...college is a freakin' scam.
- Andrew7, on 01/25/2009, -0/+32Excessive numbers of highly paid administrators have been a big drain on the public school systems for years, both at the elementary/high school level and at the university level.
That old saying "If you can't do, teach" should be extended to "If you can't teach, administrate". - KibblesnBitts, on 01/25/2009, -0/+21A lot of things the university spends on is *****. I head a committee in my student government about academic concerns - for the record, we're a student government given a $550,000 annual budget, so it's legitimate. One of the concersn was high textbook prices, the president of the university explained to us why it cost too much and deferred us to the bookstore for more explanation.
To sum it up: It's a full scam.
One book I got from amazon for $1.99 + S&H with a $3.99 price tag on the back was being sold for $45 at the bookstore. That can never be justified. - axlhardd, on 01/25/2009, -0/+19College is such *****. SOOOO much money gets spent on sports and useless *****. I go to a small school with about 4000 students, and they just spent a few mil on a new stadium, which is ***** ridiculous for a venue used to watch a ***** division 2 team that never finishes above .500. This is common at a lot of colleges, and they do it for the sake of "attracting more students" (Read: Better athletes and rich kids). Public colleges shouldn't be run like private companies. There is just this ***** up system that keeps poorer people out while maintaining the illusion of giving more opportunity for its prospects. I was just at a basketball game (working) in our over-extravagant gym facility, and the stands were filled with ***** bros and those orange skinned skanks that ***** them, a good number of which were drunk. THESE are the people colleges basically cater to: upper middle class kids who want like to see a good basketball team before getting wasted; and these are the people who in the future will have all the credentials and good jobs. I'd drop out now if society/ my parents didn't demand I be here to be successful. God Damnit I hate college.
also, I was promised free gum when I purchased my textbooks, and after getting raped in the wallet for it I DIDN"T EVEN RECEIVE MY FREE GUM. Nuff said. - cubicledrone, on 01/25/2009, -3/+21Had wages kept up with inflation from 1972 to 2008, the average college graduate would earn $82,000 a year their first job out of school.
Instead, they pour coffee for a living. That's how much this country sucks now. We have wasted the educations of an entire generation of Americans. The costs cannot be calculated. - cubicledrone, on 01/25/2009, -1/+19No *****? Hey, same thing happens in public schools. $8000 a student in California and there's never any money for field trips, computers, new books, copier paper, equipment, classrooms, desks, clubs, music programs, theater programs, art programs, libraries, buses, teachers, sports (except football), labs, science equipment, agriculture programs or pretty much anything else.
But the Los Angeles Unified School District employs 6700 full time administrators. That's people who make Powerpoint, schedule (catered) meetings and fire people for a living.
Then we can talk about the fact that a college education is absolutely worthless in America unless it's a J.D. or M.D. and even then, you're broke until you're 50 because of student loans.
I wonder how many more decades we're going to have to suck before people realize how much we suck? - bmcnally, on 01/25/2009, -1/+15One of the benefits of a college degree is that you learn how to use apostrophes.
- inactive, on 01/25/2009, -2/+15It's all a blatant money-grab. Pay thousands of dollars for tuition, gas, food, dorms, and for what? Kids get out of college these days and they still get jobs at Tim Hortons and Wal-Mart! You could be out $30,000 and still find yourself getting paid minimum wage, even with all that knowledge they've obtained.
- chourobin, on 01/25/2009, -2/+15college is a scam. I don't need to sit in a class that pays a professor 70 thousand a year to tell me ethics and teamwork is important in life. some of these classes are a joke, and its a ***** crime it's required.
- heyitsguay, on 01/25/2009, -6/+19That's not surprising at all.
- Bloodwine, on 01/25/2009, -0/+12Administration is a huge part of the problem. Hell, it's a huge part of our economic crisis as a whole. Just think how many middle-managers, upper-managers, and administrators could be booted on the street without any change in productivity or workload on the others.
Every institution and company has them ... those people who excel at one thing: busy work. They are great at looking like they actually do something, but actually contribute nothing of consequence. - rynsa, on 01/25/2009, -0/+11Back in the day, we battled this very issue at one of my Alma Maters. We were wholly unsuccessful, as you might expect. I understand the president of the University who so vehemently refuted our protests later segued into a career with one of those failed banks in New York City. I hope that ***** lost everything.
- Tcasey0478, on 01/25/2009, -0/+10Ooooh, not first! that's gotta hurt!
- WiredLain, on 01/25/2009, -0/+9I'm Going to University of Houston and they're on a building spree with ***** like a new athletic center, a new welcome center, and a ***** load of new dorms.
It's ridiculous, something all students have been bitching about for years is insufficient parking and so far they've only built one elevated parking lot which they charge and extra fee on top of what we already pay for a parking tag. - ctrlfreak13, on 01/25/2009, -0/+9I go to a SUNY school and my tuition was raised about $300 this semester and only 10% of that actually goes to the college and my education, the rest goes to the New York State general fund to pay for anything and everything. I find it extremely bothersome considering that money should come from tax revenue not from students trying to make their way through college.
- Midtowner, on 01/25/2009, -1/+9The counter to that is that college is also a societal weeding-out process. At minimum, it shows that you can put up with a certain amount of ***** in pursuing your goals.
- w1cked1, on 01/25/2009, -0/+8"Sicko" had some interesting remarks on the subject, basically the goal is simply to indebt you for the entirety of your adult life. That way, you have to take the ***** jobs for the lowest pay, whatever's available, even two or three of them. It is called enslavement and I could not agree more. They really will leave you with nothing, nothing but debt.
Someone previously commented that inflation didn't at all keep up so we work at Walmart or Tim Hortons now instead of making 82k our first year out, and yet in many ways those are some of the best jobs going? In the same way student's summer jobs also suffer. Back then they'd work the summer and that'd be enough to mostly put themselves through school. When do you ever hear of putting yourself through school anymore? Oh, you only had to go fight a bogus war to do it, sweet dreams. People actually complained students were making too much money! They also realized it's enough to get you in debt, and the stacked system ticks on at least for the remainder of their lifetime.
Another fallacy I found was with the state of technology btw. You'd have teachers always ragging about how hard they had it, how lucky we are, they had to use "punch cards", that gave them the good grace of taking an entire week to work a single equation. We had Win 98, it took a week to boot the ***** for five minutes and your work was expected to be done on that, and on time..
Someone else said it "weeds out bla bla society". *****. If you go to school one thing you learn is that you're not rewarded for the effort, or quality of your work. It's more who's ass you kiss and how deep you can go, how well you cheat, how many you have cheating for you, the little politicians. They get the best marks, do almost no work, understand nothing of it, and will get the best and highest paid jobs. You'll know them as management. Yeah, you weeded out all the free thinking hard workers, some even pulled the trigger for you, and look at the state of society now. Yes you can?..
In closing, as I said before, it is a crime against humanity that higher education is seen as a business rather than a basic need to a good life.. It's used against you to enslave you and rob too many of any chance at a good life via the promise of one, the cake is a ***** lie. "Let every sheep keep its own skin". - Trcoolguy, on 01/25/2009, -0/+7I don't think you paid for College.
One comes before two. - Chronoped, on 01/25/2009, -0/+6OHSNAP
- kev0476, on 01/25/2009, -1/+7Basically, Government spending has decreasing, leaving you to make up the difference.
Thanks
(The timeframe given in the article is 2002 compared to 2007). - inactive, on 01/25/2009, -1/+7I cannot tell you how much I agree with you.
It's sickening to think that even with all the education in the world, you can still end up at McDonalds. - inactive, on 01/25/2009, -0/+6this is absolutely true, especially here at the University of Tennessee--tuition in the last 10 years has risen a startling 100%. Now we're facing cutbacks which has seen a cut to academic spending by 43% and a cut to administrators (the people who decide what was cut) by a paltry 18%. The cost of administrators here has risen dramatically and we have admins making MILLIONS while heads of departments and professors rarely make more than 50-70k.
Oh, and next semester they're removing the tuition cap (which capped tuition fees to the price of 12 credit hours, and you could take up to 19hrs), now they'll be charging $227 (in-state) or $775 (out of state) for every hour after 12 [plus the yearly tuition hike of ~10%]. It takes 15hrs to graduate on time (if you can get the classes necessary that is). So they'll be milking people for an extra $1,500 to $5,000 per year on top of everything else. Thankfully I'm done with this ***** in a year and I only need 12hrs for the next two semesters to finish on time (thankfully I busted my ass my first two and a half years)
Hooray for the Big Orange Screw (I'm sure everyone has their own variant at their school). - inactive, on 01/25/2009, -1/+7It cost 10 times more money to send someone to prison then college
So why is prison free and college way to expensive. When is the last time you heard of someone being thrown out of prison for not paying rent?
If they made college free the money they saved on welfare and prisons would pay for it - 5urr3al5am, on 01/25/2009, -0/+5The education system is the US is a scam.. but higher education isn't the real problem.. no one forces you to go to any particular college. Most 'college experiences' come down to image. If you think a college costs to much money, take your 'business' elsewhere. (I don't ) Hate to say it, but after a few years of experience after college, and %99.99 percent of the time it doesn't really matter where you went, unless you're going to become a brain surgeon or some a$$hole lawyer in Washington.
- jjamminjon, on 01/25/2009, -0/+5I could have sworn it had a direct correlation to the intake of....Jager Bombs!
- GalacticXenu, on 01/25/2009, -2/+7where does the government spending come from
- rynsa, on 01/25/2009, -2/+7Are you kidding? You want to extend the free market ideology currently suffocating the American public school system? This is a joke, right?
How about returning to the days when college and university administrators were actually informed educators themselves, and not half-wit, bean-counting MBAs?! Enough with the whole scholarship-as-business model of higher learning! - fauxbro, on 01/25/2009, -2/+7well, it all depends on your degree buddy. I'm glad liberal arts majors who discuss Nietzsche don't make the same wages as me(structural engineer). I actually have to work and build up civilizations
- mst3kcrow, on 01/25/2009, -0/+5Agreed. At the UW the #1 complaint in departments was excessive management. It wasn't uncommon that they had 2-3x more middle-managers then necessary.
- Typhoon2009, on 01/25/2009, -0/+5The food at Virginia Tech seemed pretty good when I visited.
- eaglered00, on 01/25/2009, -0/+4This is no surprise considering all the junk we pay for. It's seems like all these student services are free when they are really just adding onto the tuition. I'd like to see my bill if they just charged us for class, and didn't make us pay exorbitant room and board our first year. If you want extra services you should pay for them yourself instead of charging everyone.
- inactive, on 01/25/2009, -1/+5I'm totally surprised
/s - rynsa, on 01/25/2009, -2/+6Ah, the GI Bill (or contemporary equivalent thereof)... another social welfare success story. Glad to hear you're doing so well on our dime, brother. Maybe someday we can extend that collectivist spirit to include the poor, minorities, women, etc.
- cliffzdude, on 01/25/2009, -0/+4If you attend a college that only pays it's profs $70k a year, it surely will be a scammy school.
I learned a lot at University, but I made that my goal. Get out of what you put in. If you expect to fart off, booze up, and graduate with the corporate world begging to give you a job you're in for a rough wake up call. - w1cked1, on 01/25/2009, -0/+4Hah, my college had one teacher who was head of one of the engineering programs, require a paint by numbers instructions manual for a 460$ micro controller kit that he designed. Sweet deal. The year his son took the program the entire program was revamped, suddenly making the impossible possible and a lot of people were passing compared just two or three before.
Yeah there were also a few other books that had familiar credentials to them.
Yeah, there was also maditory "elect" credits for teams *****, asinine classes that took up the majority of your time and were hypocritical in the sense that marks were awarded as per a beauty pageant where the brownest nose won.
That weeding out thing just kills off hard working free thinkers. There's enough obstacles already they're supposed to provide you with an education and not roadblocks to it. - inactive, on 01/25/2009, -0/+4UCLA has great food, but those Course Readers and textbooks are more expensive than a Trojan's mom.
- altgeeky1, on 01/25/2009, -0/+4... and the reason the feds slashed money... to boost military enlistment rates. Wealth and poverty is the reason there is no draft in the US.
- KibblesnBitts, on 01/25/2009, -1/+5I am a university student and I am going through counseling right now.
I respect your service as a Marine for six years and understand I will never go through the experiences you have been through during your tenure. But, I must say that my first semester of college has been a huge transition and very emotional to the point where I received about six hours of sleep per week. My grades slipped, I stopped going to class, and I had no social life. The counseling I received, albeit it was from a grad student during her training, helped me out of my rut and avoided myself from failing out of college soon after. I'm now on the Dean's List and am somewhat - not fully - happy with my life here.
Furthermore, said service helped me in becoming a present-day success academically, and the point of schools are to increase one's education. Do I feel bad for costing the school a little extra for assisting me? Not at all.
And on a side note, any medication would have to be paid via the student's insurance and would not incur any cost to the school itself. - betona, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3State support has dropped at differing amounts depending on the states. My oldest son's tuition out-of-state is actually lower than had he gone in-state here at Ohio State. My daughter's out-of-state is about the same as in-state would be here. I swear, Big Ten schools are in a race to see who can be the most expensive.
I sit on the board of a ranked chemical engineering school and our budget is approaching 70% coming from donations and research grants, with tuition and especially state funding being minor portions of the , most of which is professor salaries and stipends. It's to the point to where the University (~30,000 students) is beginning to ask itself, "what if we just stopped accepting state funding entirely?" (no more answering to state bureaucracy when they fund a tiny portion of the budget anyway) - scamper22, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3it's called public education.
The job is not to educate you, but to provide employment.
It is what happens when you are not in charge of your own spending and cannot take your business elsewhere. - w1cked1, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3My old college built a new wing thanks to superbuild funding. At the time there was all kinds of promisses of how it was to be a new engineering wing because we just had a little hole in the basement with two rows of computers serving tripple duty for every engineering class there, litterally crawling over ourselves.
What the Wing wound up being though was a pool, gymnasium/sports facility. All they have there for engineering anymore is like "Intro to technology" which is probably filled "elects" for business students. - scamper22, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3The student dilemma.
I love the public sector. Teachers deserve more pay.
Why is my tuition going up? - L8blumR, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3While colleges were highlighted, this permeates all of our education system - from kindergarten through graduate school. I live in TX, were the school district sends you a tax bill every year. While going through a government leadership program, I realized there is no accountability for the way tax-payer money is spent anywhere you have a bureaucrat.
The Superintendent admitted that they expense off whole buildings [so that they could keep it in the budget]. Everyone is convinced that he is worth the six-figure income, while teachers buy supplies out of their own pockets. He drives the Mercedes I can't afford and yet I pay his salary!
I also have issue with district-paid bus-drivers. They are overpaid and underworked; I can't tell you how many times in a week I see them on personal errands in their [gas guzzling] buses!
Yet the [money pit] school district needs more money, so they hired a PR firm to make people feel guilty if the next bond issue didn't pass [again]. It was suddenly politically incorrect to vote no on school bonds. The first thing the school did when it passed was build onto an administration building and erect another class building [presumably to be expensed off, so the money stays in the budget]. - harvinator24, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3I'm digging you comment as I sit in my Suny Albs "student lounge." Which is above the new dining hall. The room and kitchen they had to build/remodel because they were to lazy to fix the old freshman dining hall during the summer. The same dinning hall that nobody uses during the summer.
Instead of remodeling the old on when nobody was at the dorm freshman dorm during the summer they instead decide to fix it during the school year, plus create a new dinning area located in the busiest section of the campus.
Suny schools are *****, and it shows with all of these useless rate hikes. - ReDoEr, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3the school I went to made us pay a sizable "activity fee" as part of our tuition which, without fail, increased every year by a considerable amount along with our tuition. Of course, it didn't support any activitites for students in general, as it was largely handed over to the Office of Greek Life to subsidize dim-bulb frat boys who likely spent their rent money on cheap beer and anal lube then claimed they needed the money for "community service projects."
- 5urr3al5am, on 01/25/2009, -1/+4why should the government just give away money for the hell of it? why not, 'not' give that money out and not collect it as taxes from the general public?
- 5urr3al5am, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3$30k? thats pocket change.. try $70-80k -- easily
- 5urr3al5am, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3Most public school systems are extremely bloated and top heavy with needless administration. The biggest problem with public schools are the unreasonable restraints put in place to stifle any sort of competition or free-market effects. Do you realize in most other civilized countries parents are allowed to pick which school they want to send their children to? -- without being double penalized? In the US, if you want to send your children to a private school, first you pay taxes for the public school that your kid ISN'T going to, and then you pay for the private school as well.
- ripple123, on 01/25/2009, -0/+3You, sir, win the PIRZE!
- fasda, on 01/25/2009, -2/+5Well I've only had 1 prof who wrote the book we were going to use and let us exchange them for free when glue turned out to be *****.
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