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- ogisdan, on 04/19/2008, -3/+81wheres the church of scientology?
- toxicityj, on 04/19/2008, -2/+73if TIME had the balls, scientology would be #1
- AshamedAmerican, on 04/19/2008, -6/+43Buried for seventeen ***** pages.
- gromit1025, on 04/19/2008, -1/+32Taken from the article:
"The True Russian Orthodox Church
April 27, 2008: Members finally emerge from their cave"
Apparently this hasn't happened yet. - monospaced, on 04/19/2008, -2/+30Scientology.
- punx, on 04/19/2008, -4/+301.) The Manson Family
2.) Jim Jones and the People's Temple
3.) Branch Davidians
4.) Order of the Solar Temple
5.) Aum Shinrikyo
6.) Heaven's Gate
7.) Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments
8.) The True Russian Orthodox Church
Stupid articles with too many pages. - gbv23, on 04/19/2008, -2/+26Article says the Waco raid was botched --but still claims that is was the cultists who started the fire. Has that ever been firmly established? They certainly tried to demonize Koresh afterward, and they were fairly kooky alright but still......they'd been there since 1935 (adventist splinter group) They prolly shoulda come out peacefully cuz eventually the MAN is gonna have more firepower.
- ehsteve23, on 04/19/2008, -1/+21"went whacko" implies they were sane at some point.
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -6/+25Time is trying to gloss over one of the worst abuses of authority in American history. The Branch Davidians didn't commit suicide, they were killed by Federal agents. Their compound was raided because they were an odd religion with lots of guns and made the ATF's radar. What part of freedom of religion and the right to bear arms gave the government the right to go in there in the first place? In retrospect, no one in Waco was ever convicted of any crime. By calling the Branch Davidians a suicide cult is inaccurate at best, and a willful attempt to gloss over a horrendous human rights tragedy committed against American citizens on American soil.
- jisrael, on 04/19/2008, -1/+18The last photo in that batch is dated April 27, 2008. soo... They took a picture 8 days from now?
- Farik, on 04/19/2008, -4/+19Like it was yesterday.
- robthom, on 04/19/2008, -2/+17Buried for backhandedly labeling those Waco kooks as murderous and suicidal when outside of the media propaganda the videos are serve as much as evidence that they where massacred.
- apophenic, on 04/19/2008, -2/+15"April 27, 2008: Members finally emerge from their cave"
Hahaha, what? - inactive, on 04/19/2008, -2/+14What about KKK or scientology?
- dondara, on 04/19/2008, -2/+14I saw some hearings video that showed thermal imaging depicting a fed throwing in a tear gas grenade and flames spread instantly afterward.
Was D. Kuresch(sp?) crazy? Probably
Were they doing anything illegal? Who knows now
Did the pigs "teach them a lesson" for refusing to allow a search? I'd say so. - dondara, on 04/19/2008, -1/+11Which is, of course, why it is missing. Time is to news what People is to news
- Ob1masterjd26, on 04/19/2008, -1/+11Wait, cults that went wacko? Aren't cults wacko by definition? At least a cultural definition?
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -0/+9And Janet Reno and Bill Clinton still roam free.
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -2/+9The articles were interesting, but spreading it over several pages sucked.
- CitizenSweeps, on 04/19/2008, -3/+10Atheism isn't a religion, much less a cult.
- BeOrange, on 04/19/2008, -2/+9Wanna explain why?
- Notasheeple, on 04/19/2008, -2/+9Very true. People spout off about them, knowing nothing except what the idiot box told them to beleive. American ignorance at it's finest.
- Tracon, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7Next week cults that went sane and passed out free cookies.
- Notasheeple, on 04/19/2008, -2/+8insectwar, are you in the cult of being an ignorant dumb-ass American? Someone who thinks "change" is going to save the world.......what a goof lol......
- notoneofus, on 04/19/2008, -1/+7They missed Rajneeshpuram, perhaps because they didn't kill anyone (though they tried). I was a kid in Oregon when they were active, and it was bizarre to have something like that only 200 miles away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram - neko, on 04/19/2008, -0/+6stupid stupid with too many stupid! =D
- tjmpaintball06, on 04/19/2008, -1/+7Holy Sh*t! I read the article on Jim Jones, that's some messed up stuff. Come on kids...drink the kool-aid. That picture was pretty creepy.
- justinx0r, on 04/19/2008, -1/+7My Dr. Pepper has 23 flavors in it.
- stormgren, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5Doesn't it seem like time has passed much differently since 2000. I mean, 1998 was ten years ago. I still think of it as recent. 9/11 was nearly 7 years ago, yet it seems like maybe 2.
- qwerter, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5fact checking is just a google search away.
- madfrogurt, on 04/19/2008, -3/+8Don't worry, I don't think anyone thought your comment was an intelligent person getting something wrong.
- Joab, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7Glad someone else knows what happened it was stated in a review that it was probably the tear gas that started the fire but people still seem to think they killed themselves.
- cybrspin, on 04/19/2008, -3/+8lol nice pic of manson :)
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5Jones Town should have been #1. 900 people dead beats anything Manson ever did. Plus it gave us the famous "drank the koolaid" phrase.
- Nekura20x6, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4***** awful interface. I get why they do it (more pages = more ad hits), but I usually close pages put together this way which means they get less hits overall.
- DrNemo, on 04/19/2008, -5/+9Time is trying to make Waco look like a collective suicide while the fire was clearly not caused by the Davidians.
- smek2, on 04/19/2008, -3/+7Aren't all cults sort of whacko?
- IphtashuFitz, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4Am I the only one who was shocked to learn this happened 15 whole years ago? It seems like it was more like 8-10 years ago to me. But then again it was the trigger for Timothy McVeigh to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma a couple years later, and he was eventually executed prior to 9/11 so I guess it really was 15 years ago...
- JulyZerg, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4Am I the ONLY one who noticed that April 28th, 2008 has NOT come yet? Go check the last two pages of this RIDICULOUSLY too-many-paged article!
So this "news article" is reporting things that have not happened yet? - newbill123, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3Yeah, the term "cult" is a very malleable word.
My "Young Life" coach back in high school told me that a cult is any spiritual group which puts man before Christ. It's a definition that sounds like it includes anything with a charismatic leader, but is clearly constructed to exclude early Christianity itself.
Many popular media say that a cult is a group that falls outside of the mainstream. Well, does mainstream mean some minimum number of self-described adherents which subscribe to your publication or does it mean having beliefs which differ from the common American philosophy: "try to behave but get ready to spend and shout for forgiveness later" which won't offend any corporate advertisers.
Fundamentally, religion talks about big picture questions like "What is life about?", "How do I measure my worth as a person?", "How can I improve my worth?", and "Is there more?" These are questions which can't be strictly answered in the scope of the universe as we know it. Religions attempt to pose those answers, and to propagate the answers to others. But I don't think there's any way to cleanly define "cult" other than to say it's a group whose beliefs or acts seem foreign to your own. - muleking, on 04/19/2008, -23/+26The forgot the catholic church, remember the 15th century???
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3if Time had any balls they would remember waco for what it was, a massacre of US civilians by government jackboot thugs.
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3Perhaps they understand nature's 4-way time cube
- SquigglyP, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3and a nice little pop-up ad to top it all off. buried as well.
- Notasheeple, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4That was based on Obamma's campaign slogan. "change" is all he ever talks about but rarely talks about how how will accomplish that change. Ron Paul talked a lot about change if you would have had your ears open to hear it. things like:
The need to change Federal Reserves rampant inflation and it's effect on middle America.
Our need to change from being the policemen of the world.
Our need to cut foreign policy spending.
Our need to change the borders security practices.
Our need to change the fiat currency to sound money.
Or how about the need for change back to the rule of the Constitution.
Or our need to subsidize the biggest industries so they can make even more profits.
Or our need to quash NAFTA, and support home grown businesses and their employees.
Our need to keep up with our infrastructure demands at home, before we bomb then rebuild that of foreign inf. interests.
If you need more just let me know. But I know for a fact that RP has already forgotten more about change than Obamma will ever even know. Ask yourself this: How long has Obamma been a senator? How much work has he put in on this so-called "change" through legislation? See, he could have been working on this "change for a long time now........and his results are????????? Now I challenge you to look at what RP HAS DONE TO CHANGE the direction of this country. Because the truth is you would not even know where to start! - dtfinch, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3Buried for being 17 slow loading pages with popup ads, one image and short paragraph each
- inactive, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3Some of this is true and some of it is conjecture. There is no hard proof the Davidians had anything to do with intentionally accelerating the fire. But you failed to address my central point that the Feds had no business being there in the first place. Those people had the right to practice whatever religion they chose ... and they had the right to stock pile firearms if they chose. Posse comitatus (sp?) specifically bans the use of a tank or the military on American citizens on US soil. The vast majority of the people killed in Waco were women and children who were cowering in the corners hoping and praying that it would be over soon. Sadly, Janet Reno, the DoJ, and the directives of President Bill Clinton answered their prayers ... just not in the way they expected.
If you're going to accept the government using military hardware on civilians ... and under questionable circumstances to boot, I really can't call you an American or a countryman. We do not require the services or wisdom of bootlickers, cowards and fools. - inactive, on 04/19/2008, -5/+8Yea sure Time. The people at Waco were MURDERED.
Nice doing cowards. - superPipo, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3uhm.. all of 'em?
- IphtashuFitz, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Then what was it? It had all the "classic" elements of a cult. A cult doesn't necessarily imply religion. A cult in the simplest terms is a cohesive group of people with similar beliefs, and often with a well established leader or authority figure. Well Manson was certainly an authority figure to the rest of his "family", and they certainly had similar beliefs given that they believed in, and thought they were instigating "Helter Skelter".
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