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- ChileanGoD, on 05/06/2009, -1/+20It's not bold, it's bringing together two of humanity's greatest assets.
- techguy82, on 05/06/2009, -1/+14Totally agreed with idea!
- Tarantulus, on 05/06/2009, -0/+9right... so you in your schools you would learn... what?
- dwhitbeck, on 05/06/2009, -0/+8Teaching analytical skills and creative skills together makes total sense. What we need are teachers with both skills. As I recall my very best teachers were excellent examples of this.
- Mullinsmcd, on 05/06/2009, -0/+7This is why I'm on digg. Honestly its a travesty how much this place has changed since I joined. But even though so much nonsense gets pushed to the front page now , every once in a while there are still great stories like this that I would never have found out about otherwise. Thanks for digging this poster!
- rompom7, on 05/06/2009, -0/+7Are you kidding insolent? I'm not going to debate weather science is as important as art (I actually think that they are of equal importance). But surely one cannot live without art.
Art is the foundation of culture. Do you enjoy music? Television? Books? Movies? Industrial design? (think; that smooth & cool looking electronic gadget). Are you struck by awe when you see that perfectly architectured building? Or laugh when someone makes a humorous reference about pop culture? Do you have fun playing silly games online?
Without art, we would have never chanted around a campfire, or painted on cave walls, or have those epic mythological tales. We very well may have never become transcended from the our former primal beings.
If you have not much experience with math -- I'm talking pure math, not stuff you do in school. Then you will come to realize that any important mathematician has performed near-miraculous jumps of intuition. Intuition plays a key role in the most pure scientific endeavor man has challenged. This is the very stuff of art. - inactive, on 05/06/2009, -3/+9I like both skills and have used both regularly. Environmental science often requires the ability to sketch a plant or draw a map of landscapes. Not only that you can use these skills elsewhere as they are truly transportable. I now produce websites and media and the science side has helped me code better by researching techniques to make code more efficient and lightweight. If anyone has a science degree student who enjoys and creates art of any kind applying for a job, employ them!
- misternils, on 05/06/2009, -0/+5You and your closed off negativity, my dear, is exactly what she is talking about. People have the ability to learn anything they want to. I think the level of disconnectedness comes from a level of fear of being wrong, which impairs our want to move forward in unfamiliar fields to us.
- anstice85, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4"So, you want us to spend our tax dollars on teaching entertainment."
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I never take vacations because I could be using that valuable time to be working. Schools should not have recess, kids could be learning math and science during that time. Ban everything but these two classes! Ban roads that cut through scenic areas because I do not believe in things like enjoying my surroundings. I live in a house with no decorations of any kind and everything is white. Beep boop. - eanbowman, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4I don't know who dugg you down but I agree. My best teachers were both creative and highly analytical.
The most interesting scientists are deeply entrenched in the arts although that may not be what they're famous for.
Some of the coolest art comes from a deep desire to understand the world.
Maybe it's just me (and a select few other nerds).
Hmm, this reminds me of reading a giant book on Chaos theory in the school library. I wish I could remember the author. The title was just CHAOS in giant letters and it talked about how it joined a lot of the disciplines which were thought of as separate together. - aquireworth, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4You should watch the video. She does not say science lacks creativity. She disputes that idea.
- anstice85, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4I'm pretty impressed that this made the front page.
- anstice85, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4I love it when people make angry comments about things as benign as art.
- ChileanGoD, on 05/06/2009, -0/+3I'm talking about art as a whole. Its a form of proof of our intelligence, creativeness, it represents our interaction and appreciation of the physical world. It is something that can only be spawned and appreciated by thinking living beings (..so far).
Art is connected to our feelings and denigrating it's importance would be denigrating a big part that fundamentally makes us human. - bobbknight, on 05/06/2009, -0/+3Simply, art allows us to more fully enjoy our longer, more healthy lives which science helps to provide us.
Think Music and math. - dmm219, on 05/06/2009, -0/+3Your quite wrong. It has been shown repeatably, that EVERYONE can learn math, science, physics skills. It may take you longer and require more work however. So your argument is just intellectually lazy.
As for QM...even most physicists admit that don't really understand it, but it seems to work pretty well...Kind of like Newton's treatment of Gravity. He modeled gravity and made it work almost flawlessly, but he never understood it. Einstein was the one who finally proposed an understandable framework for gravity. I presume, the world's next Einstein will probably do the same of QM.... - had3l, on 05/06/2009, -0/+3How to be popular, bullying and ball tossing.
- ruckfules, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2This presentation was in 2002, when there wasn't much of a threat of Arts programs (or any program for that matter) being cut.
I mean, I'm looking at your reply and wondering if you really watched it and listened to what she was saying. She didn't suggest that we mix art and science classes, and she isn't trying too hard to "make art like science", when she clearly spends nearly five minutes explaining that art and science are two paths of human, creative expression, dealing with different subject matter - the former attending to and expressing the "individual experience" and the latter attending to the "universal experience" independent of the individual.
And ultimately, the point of her suggestion is about finding balance in the pedagogical experience between the teaching of science and the teaching of art, reconciling and acknowledging their place. - misternils, on 05/06/2009, -1/+3http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ken_robinson_sa ...
This presentation was much more interesting on a similar topic. - eanbowman, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2I think it was this one: http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-Science-James-G ...
368 pages, 1lb? Wow I remember it being bigger. Maybe it's because I was a lot smaller then. XD - cersad, on 05/06/2009, -3/+5Funny, I think some of these people she mentions--the ones who say scientists are uncreative and artists are not analytical--are here on Digg.
- inactive, on 05/06/2009, -1/+3Without art there is no learning. See Aristotle.
- inactive, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2yeah I agree... I'm took the humanities, English Lit./creative writing path through college, but I've been playing video games and tinkering with computers since the PC Jr. I just find academic science to be dull, cut-throat, and, frankly, a huge sausage fest. What I like about liberal arts is that they're so open ended and malleable... I took my degree into criminal justice in graduate school, took a couple courses in advanced statistics, and now I'm an investigator doing work that I love (analytical for sure!). When I was a physics major, I felt too trapped in one field, it just wasn't for me.
I suppose I regret not studying accounting or business, but I feel like I wasn't in a place for it in college because I would have needed to study a lot to get the good grades... I was too interested in playing Medieval Total War, Risk, and getting trashed for that! :-) - K3R5, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2Trolling perhaps :D
- anstice85, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2The latter, not the former.
- LondonBridge, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1Ken Robinson presentation was interesting.
As was Mae Jamison's presentation...
Thank you for pointing out Robinson's 2006 presentation...
Actually, I've just noticed that Jamison's presentation was filmed in 2002, but posted in May 2009... - biopmonkey, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1I think it was more about expanding the mind, thinking outside of the box and being creative in general. Not about sculpting, drawing, painting and singing.
- eanbowman, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1I think she's talking about being a Renaissance Man/Woman.
Is she suggesting another rebirth? - LonelyTylenoL, on 05/22/2009, -0/+1Note: Before reading the above reply by insolent, keep in mind he's probably a troll.
DON'T FEED THE TROLL
(just look at his comment history http://digg.com/users/Insolent/history/comments) - BossKey, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1I think you're wrong when you say art is not essential.
In modern society, EVERYTHING is designed. I think you'd notice if the entire world suddenly looked like crap, if movies had zero creativity in set design, if your clothes looked like something out of Soviet Russia, if a Ferrari had all the performance but was a butt ugly slab of gray because "art doesn't matter." - anstice85, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1You didn't even click the link, did you?
- MalarkeyPN, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1I can't possibly bury this enough. If you have ever appreciated or found solace in anything that didn't feed you, then you appreciate art. Without art, the world would go utterly mad.
- aquireworth, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1You should study the subject more. I also think you are missing the point. Integrating art into other subjects does not mean students will only learn to finger paint. Art should come along side the subject in a practical way. A person learns best when all senses are stimulated.
There is actually a lot of proof that art supports all subjects. Canada did a pilot program with a couple hundred schools teaming each teacher with an artist. The results were all positive. One kid continually threw temper tantrums and was unable to (or refused to) do any work. By the end of the year he was at the top of his class.
Here is a long list of articles explaining more: http://www.newhorizons.org/strategies/arts/front_a ...
Here is an example of a math lesson: http://www.nga.gov/education/classroom/new_angles/ - inactive, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1good stuff, I like the autumn leaves on the mountains
- hkrob, on 05/06/2009, -1/+1So, it's now 7 years post this talk and look how far we've come!
<awkward silence>
ohhh.. right, we haven't - soil, on 05/06/2009, -1/+1Great! The way things are going, if this happens, my kid can't DRAW a picture of Jesus either!
- had3l, on 05/06/2009, -3/+3Not the most interesting TED talk out there
- madwickedstiner, on 05/06/2009, -0/+0oops.. http://brianstiner.wordpress.com
- madwickedstiner, on 05/06/2009, -0/+0I think you've got the heart of it totally wrong.... The reason we've been lacking in science is because we've removed the arts from schooling. Music, Acting, Dance, Art... these are the things that have been removed from schools over the last 50 years... Because of this fully incorrect idea that they are "non essential" We only need readin writin and rithmatic! That's wrong. This is a very bad and I think dangerous idea. They are intertwined in our brains. They cannot be separated. We're falling behind as a nation BECAUSE we've separated them wholly and called the arts NOT essential.
I am an artist, I paint in Acrylics and sometimes I use Oil Pastels. I am a creative person... My profession is in IT. I'm certified in multiple disciplines. I've been a Data Analyst, Desktop Support/Help Desk, Network Technician... Am I unique in that?? I don't think so. I had a family that promoted Both. Which made me smarter than most of the people I meet. And one of the common denominators is that they only focused on Science.. or Art... I did both. We NEED both of them....
http://brianstiner.wordpress.org My Art - Azhnul, on 05/06/2009, -2/+1*yawn*
- norman619, on 05/06/2009, -7/+4I saw nothing bold in her presentation. This is an attempt to save art programs in schools because they know there will have to be huge cuts nation wide in our school systems and the art programs are always the first to suffer since they are not essential programs. Science on the other hand is an area our students have been deficient in for a long time. I guess you can teach kids how to jazz up their reports and how to put together an eye catching power point presentation but mixing art class with science class is moronic. We all know the best problem solvers are those who think outside of the box. This does not mean we need to ruin our science classes by adding art lessons. Science and art are similar in that they both require adsract thinking but that's the extent of the similarity. I thik we DO need to teach our kids to think more abstractly and on their feet.
She is trying too hard to make art like science when they are clearly NOT all that alike. Anything we do has a creative component to it. This is part of what it is to be a human. This is not a justification to try and salvage these art programs but robing our children of a proper sceince education. - jaymzdean, on 05/06/2009, -4/+1She said scientists are not creative.
LOL. - inactive, on 05/06/2009, -4/+0I didn't watch the video, but I suspect there is a premise there that scientists are somehow lacking creativity and intuition. And that's BS. Just because they might not be expressing their creativity using interpretative dance, or just because you don't understand what the heck they are doing to begin with, it does not mean they are not creative.
- Insolent, on 05/06/2009, -4/+0"Simply, art allows us to more fully enjoy our longer, more healthy lives which science helps to provide us." So, you want us to spend our tax dollars on teaching entertainment.
"Expanding the mind, thinking outside the box and being creative in general." Oh I forgot that all the other practical subjects don't do this /sarcasm
The most successful musicians don't ever need to use math and music is almost entirely for entertainment.
"I love it when people make angry comments about things as benign as art."
No, I made an angry comment about someone overvaluing something as benign and limited in value as art. So overvalued that they are digging and probably supporting a video which suggests teaching more art in schools, at the expense of my tax dollars. Prove it does something worthwhile that isn't done better in all other classes first. If anything there's too much art. There's no Entertainment class in high schools for a reason. - Rothbardosaurus, on 05/06/2009, -6/+1I haven't watched it yet, the TED talks are usually awesome, but this isn't the Obama kind of "bold" is it? The kind of "bold" that just means spending lots and lots and LOTS of money?
- chakan2, on 05/06/2009, -8/+3I disagree with her conjecture that scientists are traditionally uncreative and artists are traditionally not analytic...the good ones are and always will be...I think the correct conjecture is stupid people are stupid and how do we fix that?
I don't care how artsy or creative you get with teaching, some people will never get quantum physics...and I don't care how much you explain it to me...monet was blind and putting blotches of color together on a canvas...so it's better for me to stay out of those conversations.
I'd rather keep the two field separate and let those who excel at one or the other excel...not be bogged down by the idiots who don't get it or try to push their ignorance into science or art respectively. - Insolent, on 05/06/2009, -15/+1Art is one of humanity's greatest assets? What a joke. Art doesn't feed people, cure disease, and improve infrastructure. Artists are self-important and underproductive, and anything that can be gained from understanding art, in the sense that art is not being taught in literature classes already, could be learned from reading. Practicing how to draw, paint, or sculpt doesn't make you a better person or help out your fellow man. It's no more worthwhile than professional sports and it's no wonder most artists fail or cannot live only off selling their art. What has Banksy said that hasn't already been said a million times in better ways. He's a just a second-rate entertainer with cult appeal and most other art is the same. Now, if you want to talk games as art, or books as art, that's entirely different than what you'd be teaching in school, and likewise it's mostly about entertainment and not productivity.
Art is one of humanity's greatest assets. Ridiculous.
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