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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27lol, the hispanic Penn & Teller are hilarious!
too bad this will probably get yanked from YouTube shortly.... - rhinopig, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30best part was the *****.
- durru7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23saw it yesterday, best part was how fast they got through the wall they just built :>
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18It's not blogspam because the guy who's page it is is in the video (the pro-immigration guy) and the video is also divided into 3 parts.
- TheAkolyte, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Oh, just shut up and kill yourself already.
- squeaker, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21(edit--damn, hipnerd. way to be on top of my *****.)
hammydude, are you ***** insane?
Why am I against it? Because they're HUMAN BEINGS, you nut job. No one deserves to be shot because they're looking for a better life. Also, yelling that you're for legal immigration doesn't change the fact that you're advocating murder.
If you want to curb illegal immigration, punish their employers. A fine of $1500 per illegal worker would go a long ways toward convincing people that they shouldn't be hiring people who aren't supposed to be here. - TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Best episode so far for this season anyway.
- Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Did that guy actually ACTUALLY SUGGEST that there are people who are proponents of immigration because they don't like white people? Are you kidding me?
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13TUKERJOBS!!!
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Let's just not be so quick to forget organizations like "La Raza" (the race) that Bush supports. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCVUot-hBo
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11To be honest, Mexican culture has almost always been part of American culture...a lot of southern states used to be part of Mexico after all.
- hamandcheese, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Best episode I've seen yet.
- superyounan1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14anti-blogspam-man to the rescue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INb40jTP6t4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQKCiEQutd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPdX04ZElHg - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7We're always had waves of non-English speaking immigrants. Germans, Italians, Russians -- they all assimilated within a generation or two. Why are you holding Spanish speakers to a different standard?
I live in California, and I've never run into someone who doesn't speak English who is surprised that I don't speak Spanish. I've met plenty of people who check to see if I speak Spanish to help them communicate, but I never got the feeling that they expected me to speak it. - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21@hammydude: Well thank God you said you were all for legal immigration or I would probably think you're a heartless, brainless prick.
You want to institute the death penalty for people seeking employment?
If you want to solve illegal immigration issues, how about this: American companies caught employing illegals pay fines of $1 million per incident.
There. That makes it economically infeasible to employ illegals, no more jobs means no more reason to come here, and the immigration problem goes away -- and no one had to get shot. - Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8No he's not kidding you.
- cjhowe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Which taxes are they avoiding?
Federal? They don't make enough.
SS? Possibly, but they won't receive any benefits. Is it that different than filing as a conscientious objector?
State? Many states don't have a state income tax.
Consumption (sales, gas, etc)? They consume, they pay those taxes.
Your objection seems empty. - sillykalcifer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9mexican culture is becoming part of america's culture too.
taco bells, pinatas, dirty sanchezes....you get the picture - sulf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Saying that illegal immigrants "steal" jobs from Americans is just plain stupid. Without a SSN or a Work Permit you will never get a decent (>$7/hr) job, you will not open a bank account and will not get even a driver license. So what, it turns out that illegals steal jobs from people who work for less than $7/hr with no job security and no rights at all? Ha!
No more or less serious company would risk their ass to employ illegal immigrants. Recent story with Wal-Mart paying $11 million in fines after it was found to employ 300 illegal immigrants shows that no sane company would hire people without a background check. Yes, there are many Hispanic people working for low wages that you might see every day, but guess what? They all are here legally and working their ass off doing the dirty job that Americans will never agree to do.
Another brilliant coverage from Penn and Teller, kudos to them. - ericcc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Most illegal immigrants would give anything to pay taxes so they could be recognized for the contribution they make to society and the economy, which is substantial.
- lokoluis15, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10You realize that the reason people immigrate to the United States illegally is only because the legal immigration process is long, convoluted, and full of unnecessary hoops. It can take up to 5 years to get legal citizenship if you immigrate, especially from Mexico. It's no wonder that they come illegally. The real solution is to rectify the legal immigration process, not make it so convoluted that it deters immigration...oh wait, that's what they want....
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5 Entry level jobs were handled by citizen kids getting their 1st taste of adult responsibility.
Twenty years of minimum-wage price hikes put an end to that.
-jcr - Pinkshisno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@speezer
The reason I think why Mexico is a "dump" (I could be wrong) is their corrupt government. It is also very difficult to start business there if one lacks connection and money. Their economy is not all that great either so many are poor. That's why they come here, make money, and send back to their relatives so that they can live decently.
It's not all a dump. Some parts are gorgeous (Puebla, Morelia, Veracruz) and some parts (Mexico City) not. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I've read the comments on various immigration articles here on Digg. I've always kept out of the argument because I think the arguments are petty, pointless and don't accomplish much. A lot of the back-and-forth banter here really confuses me because it's funny how little so many of you understand about being an immigrant. Not to mention all the comments with subtle racism.
But I can't sleep tonight, so I guess I'll add a few of my own thoughts to the discussion.
lokoluis15 is correct. The legal process is extremely long. My parents illegally immigrated to the United States, alone, at a very young age. They managed to find people that would help them get on their feet during their first few years here in America. My father was 16. I'm not sure how old my mother was when she arrived in the U.S., but she is four years older than my father, so it's safe to assume she was around 20; give or take a year.
They didn't meet until much later. Anyway, my parents began the legalization process in their late twenties, after the birth of my older sister. I was at least five years old before they were both finally legalized. I remember them being super excited about this. I'm not sure how long the process took, but as you can see, it took a while.
Contrary to what so many of you think, my parents were not, and are not tax money leeches. My father now owns his own lawn-care business(go ahead and make stereotype jokes) and my mother, despite her teaching degree from Mexico, is a housekeeper. We own our own ranch and are currently in the process of moving to a much nicer neighborhood.
No, I'm not asking you to generalize all other Mexican immigrants based on our luck and success. But I would appreciate it if all of you didn't talk about people such as my parents as if though they're nothing more than poor, stupid people who come here to leech off of the government.
Personally, I think that the people who were born here in America and didn't take advantage of the opportunities given to them are the ones that are leeches on society. But that's an argument best left for another discussion. - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
We printed that on a monument celebrating the proposition that we are a nation of immigrants. At some point it seems we discarded the very values that we used to cherish. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4uhmm...
illegal immigrants can't vote. They also face barriers participating in public education.
and I would hardly call (far) below minimum wage employment a "free handout".
pretty much the only thing they get for "free" is (limited) emergency healthcare, (limited) police protection for physical assult, and perhaps a free meal or bed for a night from a homeless shelter (which are usually privately funded anyhow).
The debate is essentially one of human rights; cloaked in economics. - Jereome209, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6dboone, Democracy is not related to freedom and liberty hence the reason why our constitutional rights are less often being recognized. We now appear to be more of an empire/democracy then then a constitutional republic, as the founders envisioned.
- Atacand, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ptsd,
Why doesn't he just report the businesses that hire illegals to the immigration and customs enforcement? - ericcc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5***** your grandparents. These people work harder (live with it) and get treated worse. So STFU about your grandparents and Ellis Island. Unless your ancestors were African Slaves you're a ***** moron.
- mingus1013, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Reason Magazine Rocks.
- picardo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Jereome209, you are wrong about saying immigrants get free handouts. Immigrants get no direct monetary assistance from US. If by "handout" you mean, education and emergency healthcare, then that's correct. But would you rather have a huge group of people who are illiterate, and possibly very sick and angry? That's a recipe for unimaginable social disaster.
- floridiot2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Mexican's stole my programming jerb!
- cptn_cardboard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3why dont you just speak spanish?
or, a better response would be..
Are you really missing out on great business opportunities because you dont speak spanish? Im sure its much worse for a mexican who cant speak english than it is for some white guy who cant understand a Mexican is talking about (or an Asian if you live in the northwest, European if you live in the east coast, or Old People if you live in Florida, etc.) - twertyto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Mousecircus
Whether illegal immigrants intent to leech off the system or not the fact remains that as a whole they do:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-health15nov15,1,5989087.story?coll=la-headlines-california
In a different LA times article all services combined amounted to 4.5 billion as an estimate. I agree the immigration system needs a HUGE overhaul (easy and faster process) but at the same time we need standards and not everyone can be allowed entry to this country. Also, we (USA) should better use our resources to help countries people are immigrating from instead of wasting our time in the Middle East. - SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I heard that Canada thing is true. I had a storyboarding class in art school and he told us that he once went to Canada for a job and they gave him a lot of ***** about work because he wasn't Canadian.
- ArkAngel06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, I am forced to speak to them at my job.....And they do get mad at me when I say "I don't speak Spanish."
Anywho, it's only Spanish because I live in Florida, and no other foreign language is as common as Spanish. - ArkAngel06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Because I live in the United States where English is the spoken language. Learn it, and don't expect us to learn your language.
- ICasualty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2after you think about everything they just said its all true....
why do we pay taxes for something that is either going to kill others or just be torn down at the US/Mexican border.
seems pointless to me.
i love all the sarcasm they have. - SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm hispanic but I gotta say it belonged.
- ericcc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+320 bucks sez you're white and under 22y/o. Which means you have little real idea of what it's like in the real world and what it's like to have different colored skin.
- artofwar420, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6That's right lokoluis.
Immigrating legally is next to impossible for the people that actually need the change, it is expensive, requires job, requires "connections", and around 5,000 dollars for each person, which is a gazillion in any latin American currency. What are the starving to do? What are the jobless to do? Who's making it so hard? You know who they are.
Digg me down if you like, but this is reality, only if you absolutely don't know anyone illegally here then you are blind and are only concerned with your little world. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No one forces you to speak to them :) (well, at least they shouldn't do) I hate protests but I don't call them *****! and no one forces me to go to them.
- Cglass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hmm, to all you idealists in this thread, just out of sheer curiosity, could you please post where you live (what state or even country); it wouldn't surprise me if most, or maybe even all, of you have not seen what it is like to live in a border state.
I do not want to argue, I do not think anyone should be shot, I do not dislike Mexicans, but I do think there is a problem; for example, when I am in need of severe medical treatment at the hospital, but I am forced to wait hours upon hours behind hundreds of people, MOST of which do not have insurance, which does nothing but force MY insurance higher and higher, how I am supposed to feel. Something needs to be done, that guy in the first video who said there is no problem evidently does not live here, he couldn't possibly.
President Bush is nothing but a money hungry sell-out with no morals who would rather line his pockets than acknowledge the problem. I do not know the answer, obviously a fence is far fetched at best. Punishing people who hire illegals is a start, but that just means enforcing laws that are already in place, and if that were the case, none of this would really be a problem in the first place. So what is the problem?
The rest of you saying your parents came here illegally and are not criminals do not understand what a law is or means, period. They are criminals, there is a reason for our laws, they need to be obeyed. The simplest explanation of this is the sinking boat example (If you save too many people the boat will sink, so what do you do?). I feel terrible for anyone that has to suffer, of any race or from any country, but we have to have an organized way to help, not some willy-nilly law breaking, society burdening, tactic.
Fortunately, I feel that we are making progress with further discussion and openness about the issue, and the simple truth that Bush will be gone relatively soon. I have no doubt there will be solutions to all of the problems we currently face, I just hope it's sooner rather than later, because at a certain point, we could face collapse on so many levels (health care, schooling, transportation, and many many more etc.).
I have been very angry with the situation at times, as have many others, but instead of making anger and hostility, we should be using that same energy to find solutions to our problems.
Anyways, I'm gonna go read some more articles - jobenly, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8While entertaining, this episode was hardly enlightening other than to point out that tin fences are bad ideas. A major concern about border security is the gangs, drugs, and human smugglers that aren't being contained (not to mention the violence and abuses that go hand-in-hand with all three). The program pretty much glossed over that point.
Lots of people (me included) would like to see tough enforcement of immigration laws and crackdowns on border security in addition to new, easier avenues for workers with clean criminal records to come to the U.S. and become citizens. That way Mexicans (and other immigrants) get to work while the U.S. has better control over who and what comes over its borders. - superyounan1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3you're right, thanks for pointing that out
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Do it like this: If a company is caught paying an illegal less wages than they would pay any regular citizen they get in very deep *****. Simple as that. That way everyone is happy. Equal pay equal work. Lots of immigrants work for next to nothing and that's what pisses people off and rightfully so.
- mapkinase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Did they tell you who will be growing oranges?
- stigma15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ericcc
I made one point on what is very complex issue.
You have an overly simplistic mind to think one comment constitutes a person's entire manifesto on an issue. - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6@hammydude: Your logic convinced me. If killing people trying to feed their families would prevent "economic disruption" then we should just kill them.
"Why am I so opposed to strict laws?" I'm not. I'm just against insanity. Explain to me why are you opposed to large fines for corporations, but think that summarily executing people for looking for a better life is OK? You have your priorities severely out of whack, man. - Mytharc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"We're always had waves of non-English speaking immigrants. Germans, Italians, Russians -- they all assimilated within a generation or two. Why are you holding Spanish speakers to a different standard?"
Because all signs are that they are not assimilating. They are first of all a net drain on our ecnomy. Their poor education and low IQs (average Mexican IQ is only 87) mean they leech Federal and State dollars and contribute little in taxes. Make them citizens and they will contribute more in taxes but will drain even more in the from of programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Also, a majority of them believe that the Southwest belongs to Mexico. Don't believe that? Consult the Zogby poll which found that 56% of all Mexican immigrants say that it does. Previous waves of immigrants did not form organizations like MECHA nad La Raza whose states goals are to reconquer land they believe belongs to them.
It makes you and apparently Penn and Teller all warm and fuzzy to think that all waves of immigration are fungible, but they aren't. Go deeper and compare behavior and attitudes and you'll see what the problem is. -
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