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- stillrobbo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+44"It is only about things that do not interest one that one can give really unbiased opinions, which is no doubt the reason why an unbiased opinion is always valueless"
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) - NikonDork, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Considering he just spoke in file shareing's defense, Id like to see how long this stays up.
- VMark, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28Yes, and the bank scene where he walks out with a gun was completely set-up. See "Michael Moore Hates America", available on most torrent sites near you.
- corevette, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18@Canute - http://digg.com/videos_people/Michael_Moore_Defends_File_Sharing
- swOhio, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety," observed Benjamin Franklin, "deserve neither liberty nor safety."
This is from the same man who was instrumental in the founding of this nation. It applies to the Patriot Act as well as overly strict firearm laws.
If you need a reference of how taking firearms away from the common citizen is bad, just look back 70 years ago in Germany. First take away their ability to defend themselves, then the ability to speak freely. Then take away any other right you feel like including the right to live. It has happened before, don't let it happen again by forgetting the past. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22Moore obviously splices the video footage of the Charlton Heston bit, but the audio leads the viewer to believe that these two scenes followed one another. HINT: Look at the tie Heston is wearing before and after the cut to the billboard.
35m 18s --> 35m 41s - bagboyrebel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24yeah, not wanting people to die is really just a bunch of BS, you're right.
- Kevinb1577, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19i think its kind of funny that it says it has been coded to prevent this type of thing :-p
dugg - doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
- bagboyrebel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Well if he didn't have an opinion then what would be the point of the move?
- luke--, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"This is how Michael Moore does it, he goes up to people's houses and asks them questions. I went to see Bowling for Columbine, you know, because I thought it was about Bowling...like Kingpin. It wasn't."
- quiksliver, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22hopefully this won't get pulled...
- hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Or if you want to see how you can defeat a government that is heavily armed, look at Gandhi. He beat the British empire without firing a single shot. Martin Luther King, Jr., also took down a corrupt and heavily armed governmental system without armed struggle.
I think what Moore's point was is that it is not the guns in the U.S. that are the problem, but rather gun culture. The idea that we have that our guns make us safer and solve problems is in itself the problem.
That's my take on it, anyway. - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15yeah it's a link to Google video from 2000?
stop being such a tool. - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12moore can say what he wants about file sharing but he doesn't own the rights to the film.
- williamw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Well when I dugg the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car" it took Google about 2 days to take it down after that. Thats why people should use the download link.
- bigbchew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Guns for protection anyone?
I agree to harsh regulation against gun violence and minors carrying weapons..but the mature population I believe has a right to defend themselves at least by owning arms freely. - monomyth, on 10/12/2007, -25/+31Moore is full of bias and opportunism.
- mikesherov, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Attack the messenger, and the message still exists. Sure, this movie may not be a "documentary" because of the staged gun for new account scene, or some of the other tricks Moore uses to bring his point across, but it still delivers a potent message that shouldn't be ignored simply because of some of the crappy techniques Moore employs.
All of the comments above me that are against this movie offer no insight on the question Moore poses (why does the US have the most gun murders per capita? Moore points to our fear-based media... not the "GUN TOTING REDNECKS", as the strawman argument mehs constructed would suggest), nor do they cite (with the exception of CAPMCrunch) any of the reasons Moore's movie is "*****", or why it only reaches "halfway".
Please, enlighten me. Why does the US have the most gun murders per capita? Also, I'm confident an answer does exist (heck, I have a few of my own)... what lies does Moore put forth in this movie? How does he deceive? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -27/+34Michael Moore is fat.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Not a defense of Moore, but what media maker is more than a propaganda artist?
- gregcotten, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11@pseudojd
It actually isn't. This movie is a perfect example of a bad essay. Bad essays present the question in the thesis and provide information to answer it, but leave the reader to put together his/her own opinons of the biased (and extremely context-sensitive) information provided in the body of the essay. No explanations/insightful connections are provided - we call this a BS essay. - pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16This is an Awesome movie. But it does not answer the question he poses over and over. I guess it was a rhetorical question. As a gun advocate I really would like to make the country less deadly while still keeping guns. Many other countries do it...
- stvnly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"just spoke" was a few years ago
- tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Here is the correct graph.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita - ClassicJBC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It's provocative editing, and some would call it deceptive. However, the crux of the movie is not built on a single quotation from Heston, nor is it built on the idea that the bank lets him carry out a gun on the same day he opens an account. Whether or not he has to wait 5 days, it's a bank giving away guns!!
- xstnothing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7the best part of this movie is the quote from marilyn manson. when asked what he would've said to the kids in columbine he replies " I would'nt have said a thing. I would have listened, because that's what no one did."
- Cornea, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7swOhio - yeah - just think what those Nazi's could have done if they had possessed guns????
If you are trying to argue that the Germans would have fought the Nazis if they did not have gun control - you need to remember that the Nazis did not seize power by force of arms, but through success at the ballot box.
If you think that at some point after the Nazis assumed power gun control stopped an armed uprising against them, you seem to be imagining a degree of popular unrest that simply didn't exist. Unfortunately the Nazis were very popular with the German people, hence their success through the ballot box. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It's the right to gun ownership for the citizens that keeps the government in check.
If guns were outlawed, only the criminals (and the government, or are they the same group?) would have guns. - theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"it's a bank giving away guns"
So? What's your point? Millions of law abiding citizens all over America lawfully carry guns into banks every single day. There is a law called "Shall-Issue" in 38 out of the 50 state where the State "Shall-Issue" a Concealed Weapons Permit to anyone and everyone who applys for one. Generally a background check is done and a day long class is taken. Then you can carry a pistol hidden on your person nearly everywhere you want to. No questions asked. In Alaska and Vermont, no license is even needed. You put the pistol in your pocket, and off you go.
And since records have been kept (20+ years) exactly 2 people that were issued CWP's have committed crimes. Out of millions all over the nation.
No one should be afraid of law abiding citizens that have guns except Thugs and the Government. And that's a GOOD thing! Any fear that you do have is completely unfounded. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than people with CWP's. - andywirtanen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Roger & Me, The Big One?
- reticulate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I liked the movie initially, then realised I'd been skillfully manipulated.
Just like a whole bunch of other people, I thought that animation was done by the South Park guys, to find out it wasn't, Moore just got someone to do it in the same style and then cut to it right after his interview with Matt Stone.
Then there's the famous Heston interview that he cut up to fit his agenda.
So, it's pretty much a fail for Moore, when you look at it under a critical light. Just like Fahrenheit 9/11, he pontificates over a subject without ever actually offering anything but indictments on other people, or just everybody generally.
The Manson interview was good though - I think it was Hunter S. Thompson who said he was the only man in America who understood irony.
That said, I'm not a big fan of the American passion for handguns. I don't get it, it seems like an anachronism from the Civil War days when the government relied on local militia to maintain authority.
Nowadays it just escalates the tension - everyone has guns, but nobody's any safer. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4They actually didn't hand the guns out at the bank. It's been dubunked over and over.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@cwalk: Yes.
- 9enisP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Even when I agree with some of his points, I hate how he makes them so one sided and blows them out of proportion.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3if course it doesn't really matter if he speaks in file-sharing defense, its the producers and companies that ultimately decide it.
He can say whatever he wants. - zip22, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6it is blatantly obvious you didn't watch it. in fact, he uses canada as an example. more guns, but less violence.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11I love Charleton Heston saying "When they pry them from my cold dead hands"..
- tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Why does the US have the most gun murders per capita?"
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita&int=-1
?????
I know that it isnt just for gun murders. - Mu99ins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Opinion, sure. Documentary? No. Moore purposefully misleads the audience.
That people embrace the film as true, is cause for concern. It exposes a lack of
political unsophistication in those who fail to recognize the dishonesty in the film.
It's the Left who should feel betrayed by Moore's sleazy film making.
If there's an argument for Moore's point, it should be possible to present it
without lying.
And if the lies are exposed, which they were, then the whole point comes
under suspicion People complain when politicians lie, except if it's on
their side of the political spectrum. - gregcotten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2At around 1hr:16min Michael Moore proves that there is NO correlation between the amount of guns and the amount of crime. This totally opposes his viewpoint.
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25555
Yeah, that whole Bill of Rights thing is just an illusion. Along with the rest of the Constitution, too. That whole Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press thing is just symbolic. That entire thing where the Army can't quarter soldiers in your home is just ludicrous in this day in age. Let's just throw the whole COTUS out. It is an OLD piece of paper that doesn't mean anything. - BashMuttons, on 10/12/2007, -14/+15I hate Fahrenheit 9/11, but Bowling for Columbine and Roger & Me (his first film that made him famous, doc about General Motors) are actually worth watching. Dugg
- tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A strange problem in the US is that it is a stable country, with very little (or none, I dont know) population below the poverty line. So the killings are not needed. Too much violence at the wrong place.
When I look at that list, I see that the USA is very close to countries, that has all kinds of problems(economics), a logic consequence is that a person will kill for money.
"Good site, tutiviahos."
Yes, it is. I have it bookmarked. Every information you will need about any country. From guns to Mcdonalds per capita. - Mu99ins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good site, tutiviahos.
It's a surprise that the U.S. is not the capital of gun murders.
The homicide rate in the U.S., and around the world, is greatly
amplified by the violence of the underground drug economy.
Drug dealers and gangs don't take their disputes to a lawyer.
They prefer to "settle" out of court.
If people were serious about reducing homicides, they'd take
the control, or lack of control, of the drug problem away from
the police.
Addiction is a matter of culture, education and the health care
sector. Making drugs illegal does not alleviate the problem,
but makes it much worse in many ways.
One only has to look at the prohibition of alcohol
in the U.S., after WWI to understand. - aptmunich, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Here's the avi link:
http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0&secureurl=tgAAABChCPwm-nsy8YpSMGQfVz-Pgro1z3rQjv2ucUq73X7S-hFNYNV99a3s79zwU6m9IYM511yLcss2jeVc-78aJiujpB3ne-WR0D_YOO8HrAznKuQtkCJs8btjWceE6nYWC8QaQ6At_Yzu37Dp4iMdqV-ZjRAPqHiia82eHVIzeOqGO-nEZizQeyUusX4RF8891-25YDTFzSfP7B6GYEKuh3Pvc7SqLndY3M6DKDxjD1Q6xmxP-wms4xznRsyzgxFlvg&sigh=JbDI-FFv-X0zXS7mMkGR_yfQHDo&begin=0&len=7065774&docid=5856589059162183177 - stoops, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Did anyone notice that Michael Moore did NOT talk to the parents of the shooters at all? It seems like he purposely left it out... maybe because that's where the problem lies.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2theblooms
Your a moron, but I will humor you. In reality, a very large caliber gun with many many bullets is and will always be the number 1 deterant of total government control. Guns are the reason we dont line up for bread every morning. You should kiss the asses of the guns owners in this country. They are the only people who stand between pussies like you and the iron fist of the growing facist United States regime. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Ive seen it twice. And ive seen his other dumbass movie. The guy is obvoiusly trying to draw conclusions between guns and crime while shooting holes in his own irrelavent movie. Its what liberals have to do, otherwise everything they say or advocate seems so ridiculous to anyone with any knowledge of the subject.
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1republik, you got me all wrong. I was being sarcastic. I'm sorry you missed that. I am a gun owner. Look closely at my avatar. That is me holding my Cobray M-11/9. 5555 is the one you should be pissed at. Look for my comments above when somebody was "shocked" that someone would carry a gun in a bank.
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