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- wordsthatendini, on 10/12/2007, -3/+113They have these systems in Chicago, though I'm not sure of the flaw. Here's the kicker though. That ticket you get. You put on the dash of your car so when the meter maid walks by they can check the time. If you keep the ticket on you, they have no idea that you paid for that spot for that allotted time.
It's not a flaw this is done on purpose, because if you left before your time was up and someone wanted to park there. Their time would be reset.
I believe the girl in the video just missed the big letters on the machine that says leave the ticket on the dash. - JRChapoy, on 04/29/2008, -3/+62Am I missing something?
How does that allow you to "Beat any parking ticket!" ? - gnjack, on 10/12/2007, -7/+60Right.
This video is wrong.
The system does not run off a database. If your time runs out, you will not automatically get a ticket, and nobody will be informed.
The machine is a printer. All it actually does is print you off a ticket, for your space, for however long you paid for. It doesn't store this time anywhere. So if someone pays again, they are not resetting it, they have just made it print out another ticket.
You put your tickets on your cars dash, and parking attendants will check that your car has a ticket on display that hasn't expired yet.
So the whole 'resetting' thing is not an issue.
Also, these run from mains power as a backup, as well as solar, so vandalizing isn't an issue. - johnham, on 10/12/2007, -9/+53I've been to Montreal and all over the US and I have yet to encounter a system like this.
- AKAImBatman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42"You can plead that someone came along and reset your meter."
Methinks that the judge would request to see your receipt. Your receipt is the proof that you had the spot reserved and that someone messed with the meter.
This really isn't as groundbreaking as they're making it out to be. :-/ - acrim, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43That could have been expressed in 2 sentences. I wouldn't have needed headphones or a broadband connection, and i wouldn't have had to waste 5 minutes of my life figuring it out from a needlessly long winded video.
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37"if some prankster removes the ticket from your car"
You mean by breaking into your car? Seems like a retarded prank. - macfanboi, on 10/12/2007, -15/+50We in the US can't even get out Voting Machines right, you can't expect us to have our parking meter right.
- kenplaysviola, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37We have these parking meters here in Berkeley, CA. One thing the video doesn't show you is what you're supposed to do after you get the print out receipt.
Yes, we do get a print out receipt just like the girl in the video shows. However, you're supposed to take those receipts and stick them on the driver side window or dashboard so that the traffic police can see what time you have until. So if someone tries to come and screw you over by resetting your time, it makes no difference because YOUR sticker receipt has the time on it with which it will expire. Unless someone breaks into your car, I don't see how you would get a ticket.
Lastly, I wouldn't go around vandalizing the solar panels on these machines. It sounds like she's condoning it. - billybob476, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26@gnjack:
Perhaps THIS system does not run off a database, however the new meters in Montreal are networked. The ticket clearly states that there is no need to leave the ticket in your car. Also, you can add time to your meter from any parking station in the city, all you need to do is enter your parking spot code. Unfortunately the system is not cumulative. When you add more time the timer resets. - csnoke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Do you mind sharing those two sentences with the rest of us so we don't have to waste our time also?
- milopalmer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Won't they require your receipt showing that you had paid for the spot, when you received the parking ticket? My vote is yes they will.
- timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27No, we have it right in the US. Our parking meters are cumulative. If someone went by and put 5 cents in your meter, it would just get added to your amount of time.
And do they not have any sort of logging in this system? Couldn't they just look back at the logs and see if you actually were parked for too long? Or that your meter was reset prematurely? Seems kind of obviously dumb. - WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23lol you failed trolling
- francisew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I'm in Montreal, and that *IS* the system. Added money is now always added from the current time, not cumulative from the end of the previously paid period. It is a big ripoff. Previously we had the mechanical metal meters, which people would jam pennies and things into in order to avoid paying (which I'm sure cost the city a small fortune to repair).
Unfortunately, the girl in the video is a bit clueless, because the system doesn't notify the meter-maids that the time has expired as long as it's paid for, so there are no 'extra' tickets. The system is using a wireless LAN to notify palmtop consoles which spaces are expired, and which are valid. That way the meter maid simply drives around to the expired spaces, and writes out a ticket. They can now pre-write the tickets for spaces that will expire in a few minutes (without significant effort), then drive up to place the ticket as soon as the time is up (within a few minutes).
There is however extra revenue, because it's now VERY rare that people can take advantage of the left-over time from other people's paid periods. Also, if you want to extend your own paid time, you need to return to the machine for exactly the time that your previous ticket has run out, or you're paying twice for a given period of time.
This scheme is sneaky, devious, and perhaps slightly evil, but it actually does follow the original intentions of parking meters: to motivate people to not leave their cars parked in commercial zones for long periods of time. What's especially devious is that they have extended the hours for which parking must be paid, dramatically raised the rates, and extended the 'commercial' zones to include almost every street in the downtown area.
I'm thoroughly nauseated by the scheme, and the cartel of parking lots that charge 12-25$ per day for parking in outside, unprotected (barely) paved parking lots. I have seen several much better solutions, such as in Ottawa and Ann Arbor where there are public lots built as multi-level parking garages. Much more efficient, and at least the vehicles are protected from the elements while parked. Also, they deal with the actual time over which the vehicle is parked, so the costs actually relate to the relative use of the space. Furthermore, it's more space-efficient, so commerce benefits from the increased parking density by a larger number of customers who can reach the downtown businesses. (Not that our highway system could accommodate more vehicles entering the core of the city anyways, but that's a whole other topic.) - Recuso, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Yeah, but she was kinda cute.
@csnoke:
BASICALLY: The parking meters in canada all are controlled by one big box on eachb lock. You enter your space number [E.G. d245] then insert money to get time in that space. If you deposit $1 then go shopping, you should have an hour. However if someone comes up, enters your slot number [D245] and deposits 5 cents, the meter resets and you have 5 minutes. Thus, you could get a parking ticket.
I stopped listening after that because I have other things to do :P - usbserial, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20The Canadian girl is cute, so I don't mind. I don't get to hear the accent often. It's titillating.
- dl27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@kenplaysviola
In Montreal, there is no requirement to place your receipt on your dash. The meter maids or "green onions" as they are often referred to in Montreal, communicate wirelessly with the parking meters, so they know just by drving by which spots are paid for.
I'm no lawyer, but I would think to actually win this case, you'd have to have your receipt. I don't think it such a big deal to keep a receipt for the 2 hours you park your car. This will also protect you from getting any tickets from lying ***** meter maids. - beavioso, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17You can plead that someone came along and reset your meter. It could be accidental, who knows.
"I swear judge, I paid for an hour. Someone must have come along and reset it. I have proof on tape." - usbserial, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13watch the movie skippy. These marking meters print out reciepts. You *could* argue that you bought it, but didn't feel like waiting around for the 2 minutes it takes to print out.
- DrGonzo1184, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Just checked it out... Thats her alright.
Link NSFW
http://www.ideagasms.net/content/squirtingpreview.wmv - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7>>>"Any time people add money it get added to your current time..."
Not with these new meters, they don't. The idea is that the city makes more money by double billing for the same block of time. Most people will buy an hour or two, then not actually use it all. So when they leave, and somebody else comes up and parks there, they will pay for the same block of time in that spot that has already been sold. With the old style meters, they couldn't do that. With the new ones, they can, and it increases their income. Of course, it also leaves people open to this sort of thing. - elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Not only is she wrong, but her voice is really, really annoying.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The word "ANY" in the article is very misleading as this system is probably only in place in less than 1% of the paved world.
- dep01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Beat *any* parking ticket? What? Oh, you mean beat 2% of them that use this type of system.
Geez. *WHY* has this video gotten so many diggs? It was LITERALLY painful to watch.
Thanks. - Rescu3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Haha the entire time I watched it all I could think of was how I've seen her naked. Am I the only one who knows who this chick is? Gita is the boyfriend of a famous pick up artist named Stephane. He has a video where he teaches you how to make women squirt at ideagasms.com featuring Gita.
- quisph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@beavioso
"You can plead that someone came along and reset your meter."
Perhaps, unless the machine keeps a record of every transaction. If so, they can check the records and prove that you are lying. - europlatus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Completely misleading title.
This does not tell you how to beat any parking ticket or show you how to avoid paying ever again - republicoftexas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@mrFREEZE
Has she really been in porn? Under what name? - bovox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7this video is stupid. the only reason i got through the whole thing without falling asleep is because the girl in it is hot.
- francisew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Montreal tickets are 40$
More if you're in one of many 'special' parking zones (loading docks, school zones, whatever)
To add to the complication, there are sometimes more signs specifying regulations than actual spaces. It's often not clear the direction a sign applies to, with multiple residential parking zones, a plethora of special reserved hours, and then the fun of winter snow removal.
During the evening, people sometimes come to put down 'no parking- snow removal' signs, and then come and TOW and ticket your car in the middle of the night, which they then bill at 140$.
Overall, it's no fun to have a car downtown (motorcycles are lots of fun, though there are no official rules for them). - Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4hmmm.....
is it possible the very reason the machine gives you a printed record of your transaction is so in the event that this does happen (that a neighbor just wants to screw with you) you print your receipt show how long you paid for and ta da?
How can you contest WITHOUT the receipt?
Yea, government is trying to dbl tax alright....thats why they provide you with the only piece of evidence of any consequence.... - tharkhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, in Montreal, QC, Canada, the system is set up so that if someone pays for your spot with LESS money than the time remaining from your payment, the system wont take it, ie it will keep the original time remaining... You can't get screwed in such manner.
- ulyssesyt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4we have these in my city.
how ever, there are MANY configurations of this across thecountry. in our, you do not need to enter your "code". and so, this does NOT apply.
in fact, this video does NOT apply to about 90% of installations of this type of meter.
dugg down for innacurate. - dl27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The government wants to make more money, so they don't want people using other people's leftover minutes. So here in Montreal, the machine resets the time when you add more money.
- tommarley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's great in Montreal. Here's how it works in the US
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/How_to_Beat_a_Parking_Ticket - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Damn...shes hot!
- gaijintendo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@AKAImBatman Only this digg article claims it is groundbreaking in any way. They merely suggest it as a way to annoy someone, and that they can get their money back if they had this prank on them.
It isn't a way to get out of a fine unless you do this trick to yourself... and leave on time. Doesn't make much sense unless you are lonely and need people to complain to. - waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They have a similar system in at least one city in the Bay Area; San Mateo. You enter your spot number, put the money in, and it explicitly says, "Take ticket with you. Do not leave in car."
- raabco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Proof positive that at least 1000 diggers will digg a video submission simply on the basis that the girl featured in it is hot.
- carterman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Buried inaccurate. The title is misleading. I watched that lame video for nothing. I wish I could have those minutes of my life back.
- lb3ll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no they will take more than one coin. you have to hit "done paying" or "enter". the flaw is that someone else can mess with someone else to get them a ticket.
- billybob476, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sorry buddy. Welcome to Montreal (where the video was recorded). There indeed is a MAGICAL ***** DATABASE that can be rest. The ticket specifically says "No need to leave in your car".
Do some research before you blurt out thing. - wing05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the idea is that you pay for the hour or so and then you go buy a nickel (or whatever lowest denomination it takes) parking stub which resets the machine.
Remember, this is Montreal where there is no meter maid/green hornet/green onion or whatever they're called that actually goes and looks on the dashboard. The parking police likely have a wifi terminal in the car or handheld unit that reads the parking ticket printer computer to see which spot is expired and shouldn't have a car sitting there.
They write you up a fine which you hope is within the 1 hour that shows on your first slip even though you may have parked there for 4 or 5 and then you can go and contest this at the city office.
Down the road from Montreal in Toronto, we have similar looking machines but the spots aren't labelled. You merely stick money or a CC into it. The machine spits out a receipt which you stick on your dashboard and parking person walks around with a watch synchronized with the parking computers and check the expiry times on the dashboard tickets.
So that strategy won't work here and likely not any other city that requires dashboard placement. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You won't win in court trying to use this to contest the ticket unless you have the receipt. The machine has a record of the payments. But, you will be asked when you paid and unless you know exactly when you paid it will go something like this:
"When did you pay?"
"About XX:XX."
"The records show that two payments were made about that time. When exactly did you pay?"
"I don't know"
"The machines give out receipts. Do you have yours?"
"No."
"I see. Why should we believe that you put in the first and not the second payment?"
Basically, it won't be pretty. - 21.0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sounds like fun. Too bad I've never seen one of those fun little machines in my life. Probably because, here in Florida, the old poeple of Palm Beach will whine and complain their ***** heads off because they can't figure out how to use the damn machine.
- avoutthere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a good video, but is only applicable for those parking in a city with this system. Also, a successful contesting of a ticket would rely on the receipt.
Buried due to the inaccurate title. - ulyssesyt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2and then annoying becomes a droning, mind numbing buzz.
- digdigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To plead anything you still have to have your receipt - that's why you get it.
The suggestions spray-painting the solar panel are calling for vandalism, which will cost the city and its tax-payers money.
There is a flaw in the system and thanks for pointing it out, but as to what to do with that flaw, you better get your principles examined. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This allows them to grab for more money in the event that somebody pays for an hour, then leaves after 5 minutes. Next guy comes along and pays for an hour himself.
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