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- locamama, on 08/24/2008, -22/+204I just don't understand how people can doubt. Do they really think God made chickens with wings so we would have something tasty to eat with hot sauce and blue cheese? I think we can assume that at one time chickens could fly that or God isn't smart enough to not build creatures without useless appendages.
I believe in God but I can understand that the biblical creation story is just that a story. Every culture has a creation story but this one is supposed to be scientific fact. Someday people will look back at this the same way we look at Galileo today. With the thought "were people really that ignorant?" - flaknugget, on 08/25/2008, -7/+148If America spent half as much on education, as it does on military, this kind of ***** wouldn't happen.
- kernel16, on 08/25/2008, -12/+143As a guy from Canada, I once had this girl who tried to bring in the bible's version of creation into our biology class and everyone including the teacher just laughed it off... So it boggles my mind when reading articles about how there's actually a fight in the US about evolution vs. creationism. Get your ***** together guys.
- TheThirdLevel, on 08/25/2008, -14/+126RAmen.
- WordsnCollision, on 08/24/2008, -20/+125The problem is taking the Bible literally, word for word. The universe works quite well if one considers God set up a beautiful, complex, self-regulating and evolving machine - and then just let it run.
- kevmoo, on 08/24/2008, -4/+108Well written. Important. Kudos.
- Someguy101, on 02/19/2009, -9/+102Except for the fact that there is absolutely no evidence supporting the existence of God and therefore should be left out of the science classroom, unless of course someone is able to bring forth tangible evidence to support the hypothesis.
- diulei, on 08/25/2008, -7/+94The image shown on the left is pretty eye-opening, coming from someone in raised in California as well as a with family with of Christian background. I've just always assumed schools in the US taught evolution as damn near fact, while always saying religion should be respected (without teaching anything from any religion).
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/24/edu ...
Sometimes I can't believe how backwards the US is in terms of science, education, government, and its supposed separation with religion. I feel like the only countries more backwards sometimes are the extremist Muslim governments that we're supposed to "hate". - Mononuclear, on 08/25/2008, -4/+79And the answers http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/ten_qu ...
- lisaawesome, on 08/26/2008, -2/+71I just remember the super christian girls in my 8th grade biology class closed their science books during the evolution discussion and tried to pass around a bible. I thought it was obnoxious and unnecessary. We discussed religion loosely in other classes like english and history and I never once closed my textbook and tried to pass around a book like The God Delusion. I don't understand why these kids can't just listen to the curriculum and keep their personal opinions out of the classroom. The school is not trying to convert you or deny your religion but they do have a responsibility to lay down the basics of science, math, reading, etc.
- TheHardDisk, on 08/25/2008, -15/+83♫ You and me baby me ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel ♫ - doublefelix, on 08/25/2008, -2/+70No children were left behind in the reporting of this story.
- Aggaman, on 08/26/2008, -5/+65Many people are able to doubt evolution because they have surrendered their critical faculty to religious authorities. If the authorities tell them that evolution is false, that is what they will believe. Putting evidence in front of them will make absolutely no difference to their opinion, because their method of "proof" is to compare the proffered statement to what their authority says. Because of this they are impervious to logic or evidence. This teacher is engaged in a Sisyphean task.
Our democratic societies are built on the belief that every citizen is a rational autonomous chooser. The problem is that a large percentage of us are not. A lot of them are *****. That's why democracy often doesn't work very well.
The contradictions between what our experts have discovered and what a significant portion of the population believes on faith are heightening every day. Only a fool believes that there can be some consensual resolution to this difference of opinion. - quaxon, on 08/26/2008, -4/+55"Why is it that creationists always look so un-evolved" --Bill Hicks, and man, does that picture prove it.
- jeffkee, on 08/26/2008, -5/+51I'm from Canada as well - I've seen that happen too.
Stupid chic wrote "God created it all in 7 days" in an exam question. Teacher didn't give marks. She proudly protested it. I guess she figured she'd hit heaven if she stands up for her beliefs. Rest of us just laughed and mocked her. - camaroz06, on 08/26/2008, -5/+50I dont get it, I went to a catholic school outside of Boston and had a proper education on evolution...is this just a southern thing? Can you guys just stick to making me chicken and waffles and leave the education of your children to us?
- vtnerd, on 08/26/2008, -7/+49Logic has no place in any religion. In fact, I would argue that religions are an utter lack of all logic.
- czxxx, on 08/26/2008, -7/+48@cawpin
"There is no evidence that he doesn't exist either."
Well in that case, I submit that invisible flying elephants exist. Show me evidence that they don't. :P - Dauntless1, on 08/26/2008, -1/+39Well, he IS trying to talk to creationists at their level....
- Zarokima, on 08/26/2008, -1/+38You should visit the south for a while (not like a weekend vacation or whatever, but an extended stay for at least a month) and immerse yourself; most importantly, go to church so you can really see and hear where these people get their ideas. Once you understand the phrase "You ain't from around here, are ya?" you'll understand why this large portion of Americans is so ass-backwards. Hell, I remember in high school every new kid from somewhere outside the south was shocked at just how retarded we (as much as I hate to include myself with these morons, but unfortunately I AM a southerner) are.
- ptsuk, on 08/26/2008, -4/+41Also from the article: "But Bryce, heavyset with blond curls, left with a stage whisper as he slung his knapsack over his shoulder.
“I can see something else, too,” he said. “I can see that there’s no way I came from an ape.”
Ah Bryce just by saying that, shows that the banana hasn't fallen far from the tree. - GrammerPants, on 08/26/2008, -1/+37I had a similar experience in school. Everyone just thought the kid that tried that should sit down and shut up. This was a science class not a class on religion.
- homercles337, on 08/26/2008, -2/+38Agreed. But it still infuriates me that this ***** goes on. Why do people with no scientific understanding at all try to dictate what happens in a SCIENCE classroom? Man, we truly are a country of buffoons.
- krystofr, on 08/25/2008, -17/+52The problem is that the parents of these students lack the characteristics of human evolution
- Jaysunli, on 08/26/2008, -10/+44If we DIDN'T evovle from apes and god made us in his image how can we explain neanderthals?
How are they possible? The bible doesn't mention them at all, yet we know they existed because we have actual proof of there existance. Physical evidence. Several different non-modern humans existed at some point.
I honestly can't say if a higher power exists or not but to claim we all just poofed into existance seems completely ridiculous and backwards. - GrammerPants, on 08/26/2008, -3/+36I love when people state evolution can't explain where matter came from or it can't explain gravity. I didn't realize that was what it supposed to do.
- kds405, on 08/26/2008, -7/+39We should bash the Christian community (at large) because their insistence on Creationism has created a climate of anti-intellectualism. Their entire belief system is flat-out stupid. The values of Christianity are fine and are a great way to live life but the beliefs are, sorry, retarded.
- bubba9999, on 08/26/2008, -3/+35I like question number 6, where it mentions "millions of years" when we all know that the earth is only 6000 years old.
- tomarocco, on 08/25/2008, -5/+36We are nothing more than mutant monkeys with car keys.
- GeneralFault, on 08/26/2008, -4/+34There is no evidence that Zeus does not exist either. Should we then teach pagan creationist theories in fear of... what was it? Looking like a doucehbag?
- cawpin, on 08/26/2008, -2/+30Duh, wings with blue cheese is awesome.
- DragoonWraith, on 08/26/2008, -4/+32Dude! That song was something of an anthem for my high school class.
The cafeteria at my school had a stereo, and it was a senior privilege to decide what music was played, and whichever group of seniors grabbed the table near the stereo first during lunch controlled it for the lunch period.
So one day a bunch of Hispanic students are listening to rap/hip-hop (I wasn't really paying attention), and apparently there was some terminology the much-hated Assistant Dean found inappropriate in a school setting, so he came over and said something along the lines of "Could you guys find something to listen to that doesn't have cursing? I know that might be hard for you people".
Everyone just kind of hesitated, because he'd just said something that was ambiguously and vaguely racist and no one was really sure what to say. Until one kid said "Yeah, I have something"
He goes over to the stereo, hooks up the little MP3 player jack that some generous senior had bought for the thing a few years ago, and now "♫ You and me baby me ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel ♫" is blaring through the full cafeteria, and there was not a single curse-word in the song. Was the coolest thing that guy ever did. - brstilson, on 08/26/2008, -3/+30This is important to realize, because we have generations of people in this country refusing to even learn about the real evolutionary theory, but instead are only fed a bizarre caricature of it by their pastor. We've seen what happens when the church controls science. It was called the Dark Ages.
- imightbewrong, on 08/26/2008, -2/+27i think A. J. Jacobs, the Author of A year living Bibilically, really summed it up best in his TED talk about his new books. He recalls visiting the Creation Museum. "It's not that these people are stupid, because they aren't. Its just that they have so much faith, they are willing to jump through ridiculous mental hoops"
My Personal experience with "creationists" is that there is a general distrust of evolution because it was presented to many of them as proof of god's nonexistence. I would truly expect to see the creationist movement dwindle as more and more christians start to see evolution as religiously neutral - GeneralFault, on 08/26/2008, -1/+25As a small town Southern California native, I was 15 before I met a creationist. It was about then that the first semi-mega church rolled in and managed to convince a good portion of the high-school kids that creationism was the "real truth", including my own younger brother. It was surreal watching the wave of idiocy roll in. It still seems almost like a bad dream. Fortunately the pastor left after a couple of years to go to some mission in China or some such thing and normality and reason quickly returned. The whole incident serves as a reminder to me of just how precariously our society is balanced. A few bad years and we could all quickly see the return of the dark ages... but with bigger guns.
- JLecker, on 08/26/2008, -2/+24A great article which kinda hits home. I happen to work with several people who believe that evolution is bunk. My boss is so dead-set in his viewpoint and so -ignorant- that it is almost enraging to discuss the topic with him. My other coworkers are slightly more receptive to my explanations, but their views on evolution are still composed of misunderstandings, half-truths, and complete falsehoods.
- brettmurf, on 08/25/2008, -8/+30I am sorry, but I can't help but find a correlation between what the two sophomore kids look like, and them being creationists.
Neither of those kids look like they are 16, and I can only imagine how overweight they are going to be when they are at an age where you really do put on weight. Seems like the select areas that don't seem to believe in evolution, also don't believe that twinkies for breakfast everyday is a bad idea. This may sound rather *****, but from what I have seen, there seems to be a bit of truth to it. - Phyraxus, on 08/26/2008, -1/+23You respect their right to have faith, but you don't have to respect faith itself.
- Pigeon, on 08/26/2008, -3/+24cawpin -
There is no evidence that unicorns don't exist either, it doesn't mean it does. If you say something exists the burden of truth is on you. - inactive, on 08/26/2008, -2/+23Many religious people will display an utter lack of all logic when explaining why they disagree with you.
- Skooma714, on 08/25/2008, -3/+24He is a heretic.
Hallowed are the ORI. - Dauntless1, on 08/26/2008, -0/+21@Bugsport Just because you believe in something, doesn't mean you have to close your mind to everything else.
- noisegate, on 08/26/2008, -1/+20and who created your God?
- FTLJohnson, on 08/26/2008, -2/+21@cawpin
Yeah, which is why it needs to not be taught in science... If science classes focused on everything that there was "no evidence that it doesn't exist"... The class would have to be renamed fantasy.
Ok, today class, we will be talking about the tooth fairy, santa clause, unicorns, bigfoot, and aliens. There is no evidence that they don't exist, therefore we need to cover them in science.
Tomorrow's lesson: The flying spaghetti monster. - Hrodrik, on 08/26/2008, -0/+19" feel like the only countries more backwards sometimes are the extremist Muslim governments that we're supposed to "hate"."
diuliei, some Europeans actually think that the US is quite hypocritical about the whole "fundamentalism" thing just because of this creationism thing. What's even worse is that this creationist voter base is the one supporting war on the muslim extremists (which cause thousands of civilian fatalities). Fanatics vs Fanatics. - ichbeineinrcg, on 08/25/2008, -2/+20It's just turtles, all the way down.
- RobotCitizen, on 08/26/2008, -2/+20Why only two cases? Why not equal time for the Buddhist creation story, the Hindu creation story, the Mayan story, the Druid story, the Australian aboriginal creation story, etc?
What's your criteria for determining plausibility if you open the door to magical causes? - gfxlonghorn, on 08/26/2008, -5/+23I really really wish that I would had a creationist teacher for Biology. I would had so much fun with them.
- BrewBeau, on 08/26/2008, -4/+22The problem is when a school that is required to teach science is told to either skip evolution, an essential part of biology, or to teach the "intelligent design theory" in the SCIENCE CLASS! Nobody is suggesting that your church has to have an evolution segment in the sermon, so religion has no place in science class.
- ngmcs8203, on 08/26/2008, -4/+21cawpin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_Razor
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