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Web Developer tools from Opera (Alpha 1)

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  • whiteeagle131, on 05/07/2008, -6/+17Great, just totally great!!
  • fearphage, on 05/07/2008, -1/+38Nice work team. Opera has been needing these for quite some time now. I'm looking forward to playing with it.
  • DarkenOnline, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4Great Webdev addon.
  • ameer1234567890, on 05/07/2008, -6/+4WoW! Dragonfly is just great. It's just alpha guys. *dreaming about the beta*
  • Pepdog, on 05/07/2008, -9/+29I will still be sticking with Firefox, but this will make building Opera supported sites that much easier. It's about time Opera started thinking about the developers :) Good Job!
    • HigherLogic, on 05/07/2008, -1/+12Opera has actually. Current and previous versions have a Java and Error console, and they've had developer's tools for a while. In fact, their error console has saved me countless times when debugging JS. For those that use Opera:

      Tools -> Advanced -> Error Console

      It will report back JavaScript, Java, XML, HTML, CSS, XSLT, and SVG errors (along with others like network, BitTorrent, mail, chat, etc.), which can be viewed by type or all at once.

      They also have this: http://dev.opera.com/tools/
    • emehrkay, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2On OS X extended firebug usage causes the enter and tab keys to stop working in the browser and requires a fore quit to get the functionality back. The community doesnt seem to have a fix and it is very very very annoying, so I guess that I will be moving over to dragonfly and the safari debugger for stability. Sucks because I prefer Firefox
    • ell0bo, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2I have web dev in Firefox down to a science, and unless this new thing by Opera can help me pick colors, I'll be sticking with Firefox until. Still does look nice though, and cudos to Opera.
  • peregrine, on 05/07/2008, -4/+5Hmm I wonder if there is a side by side comparison with the Firefox tool and this one?
    • fearphage, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2I would wait a bit for the side-by-side. Firebug has been out for 2 years already. This is the first public release of this one. Maybe give it some time to breathe a bit.
    • hazello, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1So far, I've found it a lot more handy as far as the true debugging capabilities for javascript. It goes way beyond Firebug with the step by step and break capabilities, and the abilities to watch variables change in real time.
  • charlieplex, on 05/07/2008, -9/+4can't wait, opera seems to render better on linux using nvidia drivers
  • pennyfan87, on 05/07/2008, -4/+3Description needs some help...
  • Sagags, on 05/07/2008, -29/+4This isn't important, what is important is getting Ron Paul elected.

    you know he is still running!
    • madk, on 05/07/2008, -1/+7running away from the white house *rim shot*
  • CubFan185, on 05/07/2008, -5/+6Opera is my number one browser, but I've been getting fed up with lack of support from a lot of sites and I have to use FF and IE. I hope this will help that problem.
    • ortucis, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1The new version of Opera (new builds from their blog source.. alpha?) seems to work with every site out there for me. I used to have trouble posting comments on Shacknews on current Opera release for example, they fixed those issues plus sites load even faster than before.. if that's possible (but it feels very fast when loading for some reason).
      • MtheoryX, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Acid3 though?
        • fearphage, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1Kestrel (version 9.5) will not pass Acid3... just like FF3 will not. That development is taking place on a different branch.
  • OfNumbers, on 05/07/2008, -18/+4So what you're trying to say is, Ron Paul 08?
    • bradleyland, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3You know, you're not helping the cause by being ANNOYING.
    • MtheoryX, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2So what you're trying to say is, you have no clue what the Reply button is for, right?
  • nhammond, on 05/07/2008, -4/+1upgrading sure does a nice job of wiping all of your preferences and saved wands....
    • nicomen, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3Sure it's not using a different profile dir as it's a beta?
    • TrellSaracen, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Upgrading to a beta version, you mean?
    • HigherLogic, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8When you upgrade to a non-stable release with Opera it, by default, will install to a new directory so you don't ***** up your stable install.
    • aristideau, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Opera always wipes my custom searches, (search.ini) when I upgrade regardless of whether its beta or not
    • tech10171968, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1If you read the "Known Issues" at the end of the paragraph it clearly states that the wand won't work in this alpha release; however, there are reports that ctrl+enter (the keyboard shortcut for the wand) still work, oddly enough.
  • eleybourn, on 05/07/2008, -8/+9Can anyone actually tell me what this does that firebug doesn't?
    • chobo2, on 05/07/2008, -10/+3Works in opera? Other than that I am not sure. What I seen is it just trying to be like firebug and probably does not even have all the features that firebug has yet.
      • ohnnyj, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9It is a start at the very least. I welcome any tools that make web development easier. There really needs to be a firebug-esque add-on for every browser or have it as a checkbox on install (maybe a web dev version of the browser with all the tools needed perhaps).

        Firebug set the standard, let's hope all browser manufacturers make haste with their own toolset much like this release from Opera.
    • johnnysaucepn, on 05/07/2008, -0/+12It's a bigger and more complete UI for one. The biggest unique feature is that it includes a remote debugging protocol - you can attach to remote instances of Opera, say on your TV or phone, so you can debug your AJAX mobile apps and widgets.
  • bonjourmr, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4Opera does think about developers, in the fact that sites actually look normal on them without 1000 edits, unlike bloody IE.
  • jsebrech, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5While this is great, what I really need is a firebug equivalent for IE. On my work machine I have not been able to get any of the script debugging tools from microsoft to work (tried three different versions of the script debugger, and we don't have a visual studio license, so that's not an option), and I have been disappointed with both debugbar and the microsoft web developer toolbar when it comes to DOM inspection and live editing. This means that debugging in IE for me is mostly still a case of "guessing" where the error is, changing the code in the source files, and refreshing the page.

    MS can make all the standards advances they want in IE8, but if they don't improve the developer tools until they match or outclass firebug (which is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination), they will not win back the web developers.
  • scottocom, on 05/07/2008, -4/+3See Microsoft that's how you treat Developers!
  • NecroDigg, on 05/07/2008, -7/+1"Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers" - Steve Ballmer
    • coolbru, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2I think that was him counting them. Fortunately he has enough fingers to count the people that actually like developing for IE.
  • Abram730, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Abram : In the future of computers with ever growing complexity, developer tools will be as important as the hardware.

    What's a home super computer if the complexity of software development squashes content?
  • WomensUnderwear, on 05/07/2008, -5/+0Go hard, go matt, or go home. For a rough and ready finish, check out Go Matt Clay. Apply to dry hair with your fingers for a messy, matt look that's all shook up.
  • coolbru, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3One of the Google SoC projects is to implement native FireBug API support in WebKit: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/webkit/appinfo.htm ...
    Now we just need FireBug 1.2 to get stable so that it actually works properly in FF3.
  • sunilgupta20801, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1It's cool.

    http://feedshub.blogspot.com/2008/05/opera-systems ...
  • polko, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Good job! you go guys,love opera!
  • Thomaschaaf, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Now Opera will start to be the developers Browser like before firefox 2. :)
    although I do want some of ff's features..
    YSlow, URL Fixer and dictionary!
    And how ff saves passwords and asks you after you are logged in..
    Then I'm going to switch :)
    • blah667, on 05/07/2008, -0/+0actually the last one is there already in 9.5 alpha. Opera asks you right away, but you can wait for the page to load to see if you want to save the password.
  • rekkon, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1If only this had HTML and CSS editing. Most of the functions I looked at were next to useless for the average designer. I know that Opera has an HTML editor, but it's very limited.
    Opera needs to learn to expand on some of their ideas instead of just being mediocre at everything. Their IRC is decent and needs improvement. Same goes to their bittorrent (need file selection options), download manager (should be able to queue), etc.

    Still, I'm beta testing Opera and waiting for 9.5 to come out (although I'm anticipating 10.0 much more)
  • Cherryone, on 05/22/2008, -0/+0I'd rather use BBC online or just Google News, but yeah... sometimes I use Yahoo! too.
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