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Times New Roman - THE END?

fadtastic.net — Earlier this year, Microsoft released betas of Office 2007, and the first thing reviewers noticed, besides the new interface, was that Times New Roman had been deposed as the default font with something called . . . Calibri? But what will happen to Times New Roman?

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  • Sheetz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+89calibri looks nicer anyway
    • aurigus, on 10/12/2007, -14/+12Agreed
    • david76, on 10/12/2007, -10/+52Unfortunately in large blocks of text serif fonts like Times New Roman are considerably easier to read (in print) than sans-serif fonts.
    • trollenlord, on 10/12/2007, -3/+71No wonder. Microsoft did some real scientific research about fonts and their usability. They put in great amounts of money to create some better fonts. They succeeded. C* family of fonts is extremely good.
    • Daniel591992, on 10/12/2007, -47/+6http://duggmirror.com
    • ThorbjorgX, on 10/12/2007, -56/+9Times New Roman was the worst looking font known to man since Courier. Not knocking Courier or anything, because I like how it operates, but Times was so overused!

      And Calibri looks so much like Helvetica or Optima. Why are they stealing from Mac?
    • Marshy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17couriers great for guitar tabs and the like
    • stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40"End of an Era for Times New Roman"

      This 'new' Roman font dates back to the 4th and 5th century when monks were copying manuscripts by hand which eventually led to the printing press using this 'new roman font.' The modern version used today is very similar to the original, fascinatingly enough.

    • Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -23/+12Yeah, I happened to notice Times New Roman wasn't the default font too...

      ...last December...
    • jono1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28I knew that they were replacing Times New Roman with their new serif font Cambria, but it confuses me that they would set Calibri (the Arial replacement) as the default for Word - because, expanding on what david76 said, the basic rule of thumb is for screen (web design) you use a sans-serif font (Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Tahoma, Calibri etc), and for print you use a serif font (Times New Roman, Georgia, Garamond, Cambria etc).
      It has been proven time and time again that serif fonts are easier to read on paper and sans-serif fonts are easier to read on screen.
    • codyfrisch, on 10/12/2007, -15/+16actually peoples assertion that serif is easier to read on paper is false. many european countries, especially germany have been transitioning to sans-serif in print for decades. Reality of why serif is "easier" to read on paper is because in the US of A we are USED to it, so we are more comfortable with it. Sans-serif has letter forms that are often easier to recognize to americans. however a well designed sans-serif is far easier to recognize letters and words with than a serif, but we just aren't used to it so our mind isn't trained on it.

      this is all according to my typography class for graphic design, anyway.
    • veracon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6And Frutiger looks better than Garamond.

      You really can't compare a sans serif font and a serif font that directly (unless you have absolutely no idea of the uses of the two).
    • jonom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@david76 "Unfortunately in large blocks of text serif fonts like Times New Roman are considerably easier to read (in print) than sans-serif fonts."

      This has been disproven repeatedly. There are many sans serif faces that work well for body copy.
    • sillywalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Many German books used the rather cryptic Gothic typeface until the 1950s, I wouldn't trust their sense of legibility...
    • AdverseEntropy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@jonom
      Agreed. Just look at any blog (or this site, even).
    • ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, I really like Consolas as a font for programming environments. +digg
    • rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I was skeptical about Microsoft's new wünderfonts, but after getting a copy and trying them out in OS X I've been convinced. Too bad I can't use them for anything outside my own machine since nobody else has them.

      Hopefully MS will be including them with the next version of Office for OS X.
    • jejones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@stmiller: Roman capital forms predate the monks, though you're right about the lower case, which evolved from the uncial and semiuncial hands by way of Carolingian.

      That is still a major oversimplification; modern "Roman" letter forms are influenced by the technology of movable type--for example, the serifs are not those of the original carved Roman letters. If you want a fuller explanation, check out the old but still good _The 26 Letters_ by Oscar Ogg.
    • ultrasoul, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Old news. Calibri has always been the default of Office 2007, even when it was in Alpha and Beta 1 stages. And it looks way better than Times New. Wonder what college professors are going to say about that :)
    • soogy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2That makes no sense. Calibri is a sans-serif font, Times New Roman is serif. You don't compare the two.

      Besides, this is not "the end" of Times New Roman. It's simply being changed as the default font in Office 2007. Whether or not people will remain indifferent to the font drop-down is another question.
    • dineth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think setting a screen font to be default shows tat most ppl dun print their stuff. they rather circulate them? i did loads of word docs for my project but all were kept online~
  • Bloc, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12anybody got a vista fonts download link?
    • trollenlord, on 10/12/2007, -63/+32That would be illegal, unless if you got a proper license.
    • Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45http://www3.telus.net/jefmil/2005/07/
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -31/+27"That would be illegal, unless if you got a proper license."

      Why was this buried? The fonts are illegal to distribute - or at least, they were last time I checked. The only MS fonts that are legal to distribute are those "corettf" made free and can be obtained from Sourceforge.
    • Bradl3y, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14Microsoft tried to rename the frutiger font and take it as their own and copyright it, so I don't think anybody is going to come knockin at my door if I use this for my own personal needs.
    • trollenlord, on 10/12/2007, -28/+5Some day I will start reporting to the copyright holders all the links to illegal content at these Digg articles.. Just for the fun of it. Some kids really deserve a lesson around here.
    • cdman98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6get the office 2007 open beta
    • vhold, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7"Why was this buried?"

      Look at every buried comment in this story, they are almost all entirely reasonable and there's no good reason for them to be buried. It's time to allow meta-moderation on digg, or something. It seems to have gotten rapidly worse in the last few weeks.
    • jejones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I fetched them from the given location and opened up a document to do some "quick brown fox" samples...and Constantia bold/bold italic appear not to have digits! Instead, I get @ signs. Has anyone else seen this behavior?
    • OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No problems with numbers here. Google "Vista fonts download" and try them from another source.
    • brownspank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"http://www3.telus.net/jefmil/2005/07/"

      No Segoe?
  • ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Here (1) are some of the new fonts side by side, they aren't all completed, and so far, they're pretty poorly designed from a typefacer's perspective. But then, MS is responsible for one of the worst typefacing events of all time: arial.(2)

    (1): http://hao2lian.f2o.org/wiki/pmwiki.php/Articles/TheWindowsVistaFonts
    (2): http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html
    • TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -13/+9Arial is not the worst typeface, courier is. Well actually ITC's Souvenier is, but that's not standard on pc's thankfully.
    • guitarromantic, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54Comic Sans is the worst. Don't give me that crap about it being easier to read, IT LOOKS LIKE A COMIC.
    • cmajewski, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31Comic sans is a joke (no pun)! I love getting press releases/*important* announcements from my company internally, and the executive assistant has decided to send it out in comic sans...I lose all respect for my CEO.
    • jammink, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3From that first link some of the fonts seem fairly hard to read. But you mentioned they're poorly structured at the moment, and calibri seems pretty nice looking.
    • carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3wow, who cares what the difference is in those two fonts. you're feelings are hurt that a bajillion copies of the "better" font were made, and then the "copycat" font which just happens to look the same to most who look at it and takes the same room takes over.

      it's the difference between upscanned DVD and hddvd and blueray, yeah you might care, but the difference is negligible to most
    • XSforMe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Arial one of the worst?

      Now I have heard everything.
    • TWiThead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14That "Scourge of Arial" article is silly. Rather than explaining the actual differences between Helvetica and Arial (and providing well-reasoned opinions of why the former is superior), Simonson focuses upon arbitrary, internally inconsistent standards of honor and justice--almost to the point of anthropomorphizing the fonts themselves.

      In all fairness, Simonson did write a much better article on the subject: http://www.ms-studio.com/articlesarialsid.html
    • jgclark123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@guitarromantic
      "Comic Sans... looks like a comic." (annoying capital letters removed)
      Well, no *****. If every single font was designed only for businesses, people would complain that they don't have something like Comic Sans MS. The problem isn't Comic Sans MS itself; it's the idiots who type their résumés in it.
    • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I could never understand why people printed out their essays in comic sans. I guess it probalby is ok for tiny baloons in comic strips, but not for pages of A4 -- especially when its printed out in purple or something.
    • Zm3r3, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1I think the best font of the moment is 'Porcelain' By some Brazilian fella, check it out

      www.misprintedtype.com
    • bleaknik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4@cmajewski

      You think you lose all respect for your CEO... the CEO at my last job signed all of his emails "Thanx"... And often referred to people, in a professional manner as "Dawg"...

      But alas, there's a reason it is no longer my job...

      Don't believe me... this is all I have to say... www.dougk.com

      Douche bag.
    • bdefore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Comic Sans is to typography what Myspace is to Web 2.0
  • RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Like they say, when in Rome...
    • bleaknik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Get with the Times New...

      The bad jokes keep coming!
  • Metabolife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34"But what will happen to Times New Roman?" You move the slider till you get to it.
    • Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Thank Goodness.

      Times New Roman looks dated these days. An attempt by the original developers of Word to make it look like a Newspaper. Those days are over. It's time to welcome in a new font.
  • rushfan, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4Personally, I hopes Times New Roman dies, but I don't like Calibri either. I'm sick and tired of all my papers having to be in Times New Roman - which is just a nasty font. I'm partial to the fonts I have installed on linux but I cant remember their names. In fact, Linux has a nice variant of Times New Roman that actually looks decent.
    • david76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12The reason your papers have to be in Times New Roman probably has something to do with your professor's preferences (perhaps being able to easily compare paper length) than Word's defaults.
    • DocXango, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Then you professor should ask for word count instead of page length.

      One of my professors would assign a 900 word essay, and subtract points if you were over +/- 5 words for the essay. May sound asinine, but when you submit a magazine/newspaper/journal article, you often get a word count requirement.
    • brandizzle, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Um...I don't know too many people when the papers are printed want to count out 900 words.

      Personally I like TNR just because I know no matter who I send the document to, they'll have TNR.
    • Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Then you professor should ask for word count instead of page length."

      Or, *gasp* actual content? But maybe that would be going too far. :-)
    • bnoj13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@brandizzle

      That's what Word Count is for..?
    • DocXango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@brandizzle, this professor was a little ahead of the curve. Not only did he know how to go File -> Properties and check the word count, we e-mailed him the papers. I know it's all so high tech and all.
  • ACalcutt, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1My beta 2 of office 2007 has Time New Roman...maybe because the font is avalible in xp
  • devolve, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Calibri does not look nicer than Times NR.
    A large amount of readability on paper is lost if people were to print in Calibri than Times New Roman.
    As MS states, the on-screen readability is actually greatly hightened if a sans serif font is used, but the problem is that most papers written in word is actually made to be printed on paper.

    Get a typographer in here to slap some sense into this.
    • kmccoll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My guess is that their research shows more people read Word docs on screen than on paper ... otherwise I would agree with you.
    • Otto, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Who the hell prints anything anymore?

      Welcome to the world of the paperless office, bro.
    • MrUnderbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20The paperless office is a myth, "bro." Do you actually have a job?
    • mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The best proofreading is done on paper. The tactile element adds another layer to the proofing.
    • Otto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, MrUnderbridge, I make 6 figures a year in the IT industry. And the paperless office is not a myth unless you're living the last century.

      Email and the web killed paper in the office. Unless you're a manager, I suppose, and therefore don't know how to actually use the computer.

      All our correspondance: Email, phone calls. No paper trail there.
      All our documentation: Online. Most of it on a wiki, for easy editing and version tracking. Some people still use reference materials for various languages, but I've never seen the point when Google is so much quicker.

      And so forth. Printed text is dead, at least in the IT industry.
  • mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7What will happen to TNR - people will keep using it because it looks good and is universal
    • strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No they won't. People will use the default, just like they always have.
    • mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thankfully, I work in an industry where fonts are mandated. Appellate briefs are required pursuant to court rules to be in a proportional serif font. You don't want to have to read 35 pages of double-spaced Arial.
    • samdu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most of my clients use TNR no matter what the default is in whatever program they're using. It's a standard and it's a well designed typeface. They get kind of crazy if they accidentally change their default to something else, actually. There's a lot more to typeface design than "does it look good." Well, more accurately, there's a lot more that goes into a typeface that makes it "look good" than just the simple letter forms.
  • DanielYH, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I never liked that font anyway.
  • Rickard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Consolas is my favorite monospace font. I use it for all text editing and programming. Highly recommended for those of you who haven't bothered to replace Courier [New].
  • TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Thanks MS, i was tired of that old font.
  • wonkavsn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It may look nicer, but it's a friggin pain in the arse for writing school papers where the standard is usually TNR. 2007 auto converted a bunch of papers I had going to Calibri, which subsequently had to be converted back.
    A minor hassle, but still rather presumptuous of MS.
    • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been using Calibri for a while now. But it is annoying emailing documents because the other person never has it -- I tried embed fonts in document option but that did not seem to work.
    • st3ph3n, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Perhaps you shouldn't be writing critical stuff like term papers with beta software? Just a thought.
    • trollenlord, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That is only because you did not configure the style properly. You are not supposed to do any formating directly. Learn how to use the Word properly and it won't change things on its own.
  • dmron, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Good riddance. TNR is one of the worst fonts in existence. I hope it dies a horrible death.
  • kobura, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Good riddance. Print professionals everywhere, rejoice!
  • NV0U, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4I think they should change the default font to MS Comic Sans....
    • aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Funny, I was just going to say that the only font I'd really love to see end is Comic Sans. I can't even imagine how everyone in the Britney Spears chat room would react.
    • NV0U, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Exactly my point.
  • CrazyForSW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cool with me, I was sick of Times New Roman. I just wish they would've picked something a bit easier to say.
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Ka Lee Bree
    • h4ppydotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps the somewhat cryptic names are an attempt to internationalise? 'times new roman' is quite a mouthful when inserted into the middle of a sentence of many european languages!
  • seandfeeney, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2How pathetic micosoft has been struggling to come up with something new so bad that all they can come up with is changing the default font! WOW! Way to go Microsoft... way to stay as far away from standards as much as possible.
    • jejones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Font design is the one area in which MS, or rather the people MS commissions, deserves significant credit. Until the Bitstream Vera fonts came along, one just about had to grab Verdana, Georgia, Trebuchet, et al. to get good-looking fonts for X. These new fonts look pretty good.

      Some fonts are way overused. For a while, Lithos was nearly ubiquitous; ditto for Tekton. Times Roman is not as faddish, so it's been vastly overused for decades. Unless the recipient demands it, avoid it... and even then, try to talk them out of it first.
    • fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm wondering, have you even looked at MS Office 2007? There is a *slight* (note sarcasm) difference in the interface, not just "innovating" by changing the default font. Welcome to reality there buddy.
    • theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"way to stay as far away from standards as much as possible."

      Microsoft IS the standard.

      Office 2007 is the biggest thing in Office since Office 95.
  • MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The end of Times New Roman as the _default_ font.
  • aspiramedia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm actually impressed by the fact that Bill Gates made screen reading one of his 5 main priorities for Vista. Microsoft in a usability shocker!
    • aldreneo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Bill didn't some dude in an office did....Bil just counts money
  • ij00mini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Calibri is obviously not the successor to TNR.. Take a look at the other 5 fonts, a couple of those are much closer to TNR than Calibri, but still nicer than TNR anyway.
    • fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's because calibri is replacing the default sans-serif font, cambria replaces TNR for the serif fonts.
  • yaosio, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Once again Microsoft is using it's monopoly power to force the starup font makers out of the business. >:(
  • barrelrider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The real issue is who owns the copyright to these new fonts? With All the word documents that will start floating around, will I have to pay to get these on my Mac and Linux machines ? Is Bill correcting the issue he had with the previous fonts where they were distributing them for free ? Under Crossover office all I had to do was agree to a licensing page then I could download them.
  • jerrysizzler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3fine with me; i switched to arial narrow a couple years ago. even if more legible, those serifs are annoying.
  • jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1TNR sucks. Go Arial. (when it comes to system fonts anyway. Garamond Pro looks GREAT in large scale.
  • mrbillabong, on 10/12/2007, -24/+3screw microsoft
  • d8cam, on 10/12/2007, -26/+8you people are SUCH NERDS..."omg times new roman font might be gone"...i mean SERIOUSLY....
    • Xizer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Shut up dumbass, that's what this site is for. GTFO
  • Stormwave0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Office 2007 actually changes a lot of defaults in addition to the font. For example, the margins are now 1 inch all around instead of 1.25 on the left and right. The default font size (I think) was changed from 12 so Calibri better matched TNR in size. Furthermore, the line spacing was like 1.2 or something weird. I forget since I changed it back.
  • bobgb4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2im fine with arial
  • blix3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is really much ado about nothing. I am looking at a sentence in Calibri with the same sentence in Arial on the next line. Not much difference, except that the Calibri is a bit smaller and less distinct. You need to up the size of Calibri by one to roughly equal Arial, but the latter still appears darker and sharper.
  • zouhair, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1Arail is awfull, Comic bad joke and this a nonsens

    It's change change for changing
    • nphp20, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wow. I had to read that a several times before understanding it. Personally, I think Arial is a good font, Comic Sans sucks, and the new ones (especially Calibri) look nice, so I don't think this is change for the sake of change (if that's what you meant).
    • nphp20, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3[accidental double post]
  • SystemError, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri_(font)
  • ryanguill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One of the other new fonts, consolas, a fixed width font, is great for programming. Very easy on the eyes and hard to mistake one character for another.
  • andy370, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It looks like a textbook font.
  • daines88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2FINALLY!!! I hate Times New Roman, I use helvetica when ever I can.
  • MrTea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1for some reason I already had the Calibri font installed. My personal favorite is Maiandra GD, but some of these are pretty nice; especially Corbel.
  • dvdd127, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have not seen the new font.. but I never liked Times New Roman and it sounds like the new one is better anyways
  • shawnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know why it hasn't "ended" years ago.
  • CKR600, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1it's a nicer font, but the g's don't match the rest of the letters style.
  • yuannerz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2times new roman is used for most papers in school because almost all universities have adopted a "style-sheet." whether it be MLA, or APA, or any other. they have many accepted fonts, and TNR is common to almost all of them.
    • MrTea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I think APA actually requires usage of Times New Roman 12pt. I'll have to look in the book *takes a week to look in the book*.
  • meefman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not sure what the real reasoning behind naming the font "calibri" but I do know that calibri means humming bird in Russian.
    • OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I believe it means "evil monopoly with crappy products" in Somali.
  • 3leggedHorse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Has anyone noticed the file size of times new roman compared too other fonts. times is between 250 - 400 KB depending on the style, most fonts are about 50KB. Anyone know why this is?
    • shuai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think that's because TNR has actual "bold" "italics" "bold italics" things, unlike some fonts, which depend on the word processor to do faux bold + italics.
    • codeman38, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The larger file size is because it contains extended characters for languages such as Russian, Greek and Arabic.
  • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1A story on a new font. Man that transends all previously known levels of geekiness.
  • 3leggedHorse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Times new roman is a bloated Italian.
  • selphishnerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2the fact that we even have a discussion about this topic, makes us HUGE nerds. Thank God for the internet, otherwise nerds of the world would all be too isolated...
  • EricJD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'd be happy if TNR became obsolete. I don't like it.
  • SuperFarStucker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've actually had my CSS & window fonts converted to the vista core fonts for some time. The change is somewhat subtle, but I think the new fonts feel a bit 'nicer' to the eyes. I think courier new is still the monospaced king but consolas is alright. times new roman -> _cambria_ is trivial, the primary difference being the differing proportions. Overall, cambria is a wider font than times and it is also shorter than times. the difference is approximately .5 pt, see for yourself. People will forget about this as soon as it happens. It just gives vista a sense of 'novelty'/newness which microsoft desperately wants. Calibri isn't even a serif font so it isn't really the replacement for tnr, just the new office default.

    http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9177/times4mz.png
  • Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is good... but the design world will be estatic when Comic Sans dies.
  • Sculptor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have transient vision problems so this discussion is very significant to me. I tried all the fonts mentioned and although Veranda RF was great Corbel is cleaner for weak vision. And after extensive research doesn't everyone's eyes become a bit blurry?

    Double vision is my primary problem so the extra artifacts of TNR & similar fonts, for instance the lower flap on the "u" just serves to slow me down. The print should work for us not the other way around. Corbel is tight as well and that is extremely important. The true test for myself is to shrink two duplicate sample documents side by side, set all text to 12 font and then to a view both at 40% - compare those and then expand both to 170% with some bold type as well as any symbols you commonly use. Then, personally I can choose the best font for me.

    I have sampled the new fonts with a working word vocabulary document. Corbel is better than anything I have tried so far on screen. I have not had an opportunity to print it but I suspect it will be great. Vista is starting to chip its way into my wallet. I may have to upgrade my PC to the new specs after all. Then again I do not remember ever regretting having a faster computer.

  • kevinski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I hate Times New Roman, anyway. I'm using Franklin Gothic Medium for most of my applications' default fonts, as well as for my Windows appearance theme.
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