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- cinnix, on 10/12/2007, -12/+96Nah, you got it all wrong. This is a reference to the internet, itself being a series of tubes and all. It is a concept of how the internet may end up in the future.
- whipnet, on 10/12/2007, -6/+65When I was a kid, I figured I would see something like this, but sometimes I wonder if we are moving forward at all now.
- dep01, on 10/12/2007, -38/+97It's just a pipe-dream. We'll be all out of fossil fuels in 15 years.
the guy reading the paper on the far right is a nice touch. wont they be beaming the news in to your brain by then? - redwire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+50Hi Res Version of this pic: http://www.kira-network.com/cf/final-highres.jpg
erm and why the heck is my other comment being dugg down for pointing to more of pics from this work from the artist? :/ - arca, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48Lionheart, there's nothing theoretical about Centripetal acceleration. Most fairgrounds or amusement parks have a ride that usually looks like a UFO - basically a circle that you can go in and it spins around quickly. As it goes faster, you can feel yourself being pushed back against the wall. Easy, repeatable demonstration of the principle. The only difference with making it that big and replicating Earth's force of gravity is working out the math on how fast it has to spin.
- arca, on 10/12/2007, -13/+52I think you're confusing out of with peak oil. There are a lot of fossil fuels, even at higher consumption rates we'd run out of oil in more like 60 in the midrange estimates.
Personally this thing reminds me more of Babylon 5 than Halo. And ringworlds have been around in SF for decades, such as the one in 3001 (Sequel to 2001) that someone pointed out below, not just since Halo came out.
Damn kids.
/Poster would like to note he's 18 - dicerandom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41@Lionhart:
The "artificial gravity" you speak of is not "theoretical". Hold hands with someone and start spinning around one another, you'll feel it. If you don't have a friend nearby to try this out with you may substitute a street lamp or some other type of pole/tree/whatever ;)
Edit: ... beat to the punch ... - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41The artist ***** it up. It supposedly a ring that by rotating created artificial centrifugal gravity. They call that a stanford torus, as opposed to a bubble habitat (the kind designed by O Neil). Notice how the buildings in the forefront are angled right down, while the central river is angled sideways. If this ring rotates, all objects inside the ring would be angled along the vector of rotation.
We could have had habitats like this. In the 1970s a scientist called Gerald K O'Neil testified before US congres making absolutely clear we could build one with an investment comparable to the vietnam war. Building one would allow us to sustain a poulation of workers in space, who in turn create solar sollectors, real simple foil setups, to collect sunlight and convert it to microwave radiation. This radiation can be beamed to earth in concentrated spots and used to generate electricity in abundancies that would drive electricity costs to a fraction of todays energy prices. But dont take my word for it, read "The High Frontier".
http://www.space-frontier.org/HighFrontier/
Like I said, we could have had them, a geometric growth rate of space habitats, some miles in diameter, constructed by a steadily expanding space population. First you build one, a few years later you build a second, then those two build the fourth in less than ten years, andsoforth. Within fifty years you'd have millions living in space and in a hundred years population on earth might actually be dropping. For the average joe who doesn't understand this, or claims he wouldn't wanna live in no can, look at the interior design:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spacecolony3edit.jpeg
If given enough incentive they could build the shire in there, with hobbits and all.
The politicians in our precious democratic system squandered it all, and we are fast ruining out chances with these damn wars of conquest for ***** oil. In a few decades the world will be torn with resource depletion, crime, wars and pollution to such a degree we cant afford to lift ourselves as a species from the crap. We could have made paradise up there and we ***** it up. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40My coruscant just had butter on it.
- redwire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40Really nice work.
For those that are interested there is a thread by the artist about how it was created with lots of concept sketches, pre-rendering and commentary:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=356102&page=1&pp=15 - Talguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36This is an amazing render
- Lionhart, on 10/12/2007, -30/+54the reason it is ring shaped is becaused it would have to rotate to create theoretical "artificial gravity".
- 4UIDigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25That guy on the far right is not reading the newspaper, he is accessing digg.com with his ultra-portable fold-able personal computer!
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20I believe it was the Roman philosopher Fraudulus the Elder who mentioned a "worlde wherein Man shall live on the inner limb of a Great Circle that doth spin in the Heavens". He also mentioned "and ye Shipe of Battel, that is called Galactica, shall be chased by yon Cylons thro' space".
- teqonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Here's the official site of the artist: http://www.abalakin.de/
And just for kicks, here's that same city being destroyed:
http://www.abalakin.de/site/popup.asp?p=hi_050109-abalakin.jpg
Both have been on my desktop for a while, now. - nickj6282, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Halo-esque? Maybe? Jeez.
Cool pic though. +Digg - Valarauka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15It's funny watching you call something "unoriginal" and a "Halo rip" in the same breath ... do you think Halo/Ringworld was the first occurence of the ring station idea?
- Techx4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12just point me to the red light district
- LustHog, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18So because you don't see something like this we arent moving forward?!?! Compare this century to every other century and look at the advancements we've made. And you thought you would see something like this in your lifetime?! I understand you we're a kid, but seriously....
- CoffeeNut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Let's see, on the order of 1 sq. mile cross-section and length of say 50 miles for the living volume gives us 50 cubic miles of atmosphere. 1 bullet hole leaking at, say, 1 cubic foot/second of atmosphere and 147197952000 x50 cubic feet to leak...you should hit a vacuum in about ** 233,380 years **. You might _just_ have enough time to send a repair crew out if you hurry.
- dicerandom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Heck you don't even have to look at this century compared to others. Look at this decade compared to the 80s or the 70s. Have you *seen* how huge their cel phones were?!
- deannnnnn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11It looks like a Stanford Torus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_torus - theHM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9ThankTheCheese:
I think it's supposed to be a torus (doughnut) shaped space station, the rotation of which simulates gravity. It's an idea that's bandied around in sci fi a lot. Good examples include iain m banks' "consider phlebas" and arthur c. clarke's Rama series, though the latter is more cylinder than torus. - inmatarian, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12This more of reminds me of Mobile Suit Gundam and it's O'Neil Island Two colonies, though, this one looks like a Standford Torus.
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Yeah, it's a shame we can't keep moving forward without going back every once in a while. Let's just hope it's not a huge regression like the dark ages.
- Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10>>The guy reading the paper irks me... the scale is goofy, he should be the size of the >>people next to the pool
If you look closely, the person who would be taking this picture is on top of the same building the guy with the newspaper is, it's in a weird angle but it makes sence once you see the eagle thing under him. At first I was like "Uh, why is there a huge guy reading a newspaper?" - max420, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Stuff like this makes me upset that we are not immortal, and will never get to see this for ourselves.
- olliholliday, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8the stanford torus proposal was only a mile diameter (way smaller than the one shown in this render), that's really not too massive to imagine building. certainly far more achievable with our current technology than FTL travel to planets in other solar systems :) it'd certainly be a good investment in the survivability of the human race. we do have all our eggs in one basket at the moment.
with a space elevator, a few metal-rich captured asteroids and a massive fleet of construction robots maybe... - siMac, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"We could have made paradise up there and we ***** it up."
Paradise yes. Until the first meteor shower.... Without an atmosphere to protect it from large flying rocks I can't see space cities ever being a realistic option. - max420, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That second picture explains the gravity. That ring worlds spints along with that planet, that would explain the gravity inside the ring city.
- Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Here's the original thread where he explains about the "Gravity Generators" if anyone is interested: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=356102&page=3&pp=15
- Thumper13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I like how he called it a "Halo rip," THEN mentioned Ringworld.
You do know which came first right? - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Oh my god, "halo rip"
Ignorance is a disease these days. - slaystench, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Whether it's what a future space city will look like or not is moot, that is a cool looking picture.
- CoffeeNut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Stephen Hawking believes we need something like this _now_. Well, some sort of off-world colonization anyway. He believes it is imperative to protect the species from any sort of catastrophic event on Earth by spreading out. Good point if you ask me.
- davecor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7They say Halo-esque because they haven't read Ringworld or Ringworld Engineers by Larry Niven -
Do people read sci-fi books anymore? Do people read sci-fi books written BEFORE they were born?
The Ringworld idea is very old. Fortunately, I'm about 10 years older. - qwertydvorak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6no, the one in the rama series was a giant cylinder. imagine a giant soup can. if you remember in the story they climbed a ladder down the "lid" of the can, and as they got nearer the edge the gravity got heavier.
- scooter17, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I have read about this before. Apparently, the "gravity" is provided by the centripetal force of the ring, so that the inertia of the the bodies will force them to the "ground." We may be far off from building these, but there is nothing in this picture that is infeasible.
digg++ - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeps mobile suit gundam *precisely* implemented the O neil island-3 configuration in their movie.
It seems the Japanese really research their anime very well, as opposed to most uninspired sillyness americans that comes out of Hollywood. Sure Blade Runner and Minority Report made an effort, but Japanese futuristic art goes strides beyond that. - desimaniac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Not if they can compartmentalize and seal off that section.
- Germanicus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Way to digg down the truth.
There is no such thing as "centrifugal" acceleration. If you're sitting in a car, and the car makes a sharp turn, you feel like you're being pressed against the walls by an invisible force. This "centrifugal" force doesn't exist.
Centripetal acceleration does exist. If there is an object travelling in a circular orbit, then at every point on its path it would feel a net acceleration directly towards the center of the circle. In fact thats where "centripetal" came from, acceleration towards center.
On an amusement park ride, you feel pressed against the wall not because of a force pushing you outwards, but because of the centripetal force pushing the wall inwards. If there was no such force, the walls would continue in a straight path. - vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is the exterior view http://www.cgnetworks.com/gallerycrits/60256/60256_1108529659_medium.jpg
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Let's just hope it's not a huge regression like the dark ages."
sometimes i think about this
what IS nice is that even if there WAS a huge regression this time even on par with the fall of rome we have mastered printing and manufacturing.
evidence of our technology is EVERYWHERE.
there are experimental technology labs underground, in the middle of nowhere, everywhere around the world
the same goes for our scientific journals and even our old crap computers which we export to third world countries.
this widespread material will see to it that we cant fall TOO far because theres puzzle pieces littering the planet. - SR71Blackbird, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I agree, awesome, almost inspiring
- mikeman10001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5One thing I noticed.. No bridges going across the river. And it looks a lot like startwars mixed with halo.
- obrysii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wrong on so many levels.
It is scientifically proveable that the speed of movement would not have to be extremely significant on a structure of that size.
Additionally: the people are moving at the same rate it is turning. You won't go flying if you suddenly jump into the air. Does that happen on an airplane? No. Do items go flying back in a car when you drop them? No.
The Earth is moving "sideways" at around 1,000mph realitive to it's poles. When you jump in the air, are you don't "go flying sideways due to momentum." - ginrummy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7That's exactly what I thought when I saw this, Mobile Suit Gundam.
- kzathon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7No. He's on a ledge. It really all makes sense.
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The colonization of space will be the same as the colonization of land.
Farmers first. Probably little more than subsistence farming, in a self-contained unit. Maybe connect them later. This allows us to perfect the techniques without a lot of risk.
Next, very small non-farming buildings, close to the farms. Research stations, tourism locations, etc. They get their food from the farmers.
Then invite businesses from Earth to come on up (or, they could already be organizing the farming). They could build a research station or factory or something, and their own dormitories. These will attract employment from Earth (who WOULDN'T want to work in space?) and with enlargements of the farming areas they could be supported.
Of course the people need more than work. Other companies (movie theaters, shops, etc) will come in to support them and the tourists that come to see this wonderful space civilization.
Now you've effectively got a small city in space. - UCFartstudntJON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, this should be in a game. Imagine flying around exploring this place.
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