What is Digg?Sponsored by Best Buy
He sings, he strums, and he works at Best Buy. view!
youtube.com - Musician and Best Buy employee, Keith Parsons, rocks his Best Buy holiday campaign audition.
252 Comments
- realmadrid2727, on 06/25/2009, -25/+222It's 2009, people, it's not as if MS is embracing IE6 and promoting its download. Find me another 8-year-old browser that performs as well (relatively speaking, of course) as IE6.
I'm a Mac guy, but come on, this is a silly thing to go on about and pretend like it's MS holding people back from upgrading. Apples to apples. - inactive, on 06/25/2009, -3/+189Mirror: http://rorr.im/digg.com/design/even_microsoft_can_ ...
- LANjackal, on 06/25/2009, -6/+115Tell that to the numerous organizations who still use it with internal apps/sites. That's the real stumbling block to progress with IE.
- ajlozier, on 06/25/2009, -6/+103I am guessing you're not a web developer. At this point I really couldn't care less who is at fault. I am just sick of web technology being held back by a still-pervasive notion that websites developed in 2009 must still "work" in a browser released in 2001. The difficulty of this task is compounded by the fact that Microsoft released yet another browser that does not adhere to published web standards (IE7), and more recently, yet another browser with its own set of "issues." (IE8). And, of course, you cannot easily run all three versions on the same machine at once (I personally have two virtual machines I use just for IE testing.) I am angry at the amount of time, effort, energy and creativity that is lost because I am forced by market conditions to accommodate obviously inferior technology.
You see, I don't really have to "test" for other browsers. 99% of the time, if it works in Firefox, it will work in Safari, Chrome and Opera. And vice versa. The reason is simple: all of these browsers adhere to published web standards and they are open source, so there is a community of developers actively holding these browsers accountable.
If you are a web developer, and you aren't angry also, then there are only a few possibilities I can think of:
* You work for yourself and don't bother supporting IE6 and your clients are on board with you. Bravo for you!
* You don't use CSS or Javascript often enough to raise issues. Perhaps you still work in table-based layouts.
* You're just really, really good and never have problems, or if you do, perhaps you are an incredibly chill dude, far more chill than any developer I've worked with, and you simply don't mind the added hassle and expense of supporting IE6, 7 and 8 on your "testing PC's" you've got lying around.
The whole point of this article I think is to say, look, even MSN is giving up. Can the rest of us give up too now, at least on IE6? Please???
</rant> - merreborn, on 06/25/2009, -3/+87I fired up IE6 and loaded up msn.com.
It's already fixed.
Kinda takes the punch out of it. - weeenis, on 06/25/2009, -10/+86That's why they came out with IE8?
- NathanCH, on 06/25/2009, -20/+91If you're reading this PLEASE switch to Firefox, Safari, Chrome, or Opera!
- Cheesepuffly, on 06/25/2009, -14/+73No, thats why they came out with Firefox.
- inactive, on 06/25/2009, -8/+54Very odd, it's like a 10 years old browser couldn't display pages with completely different technologies - AJAX, advanced FLASH coding, new CSS uses - correctly. I expect one browser to work forever with everything, perfectly, without any update.
- auburntygur, on 06/25/2009, -3/+45Sometimes you've just got to put the old girl down.
- civicsi99, on 06/25/2009, -15/+53server FAIL.
- mason092, on 06/25/2009, -2/+39They probably don't TRY to make the site work in IE6. Why would they? They don't expect anyone to use it. That's why they released IE7 and IE8. I'm not promoting the use of IE, by the way. I just think it's silly to take the piss out of them because of this.
- MMaster23, on 06/25/2009, -2/+36Server admin can't even get dozens of hits to load
- dgp1, on 06/25/2009, -1/+29GOOD for Microsoft. Hell, they SHOULD intentionally break Hotmail and MSN in IE6 because there is ZERO excuse to be running it and if that's what it takes to get those lazy mothers to upgrade after EIGHT YEARS with the same browser, then good!
*If it's in a corporate environment it's still just as bad as trying to get by with a 640x480 monitor. It may not be the end user's responsibility to fix, but it's still broken. Using IE6 still == retarded. - spartan8103, on 06/25/2009, -1/+24It really boggles my mind that people still use IE 6. You almost have to go out of your way to not upgrade. I remember getting the window for IE 7 and IE 8 saying that it is ready to upgrade.
As any web developer knows, IE 6 is the bane of your existence. You are told you have to support 3 versions of IE, 2 versions of FireFox, as well as Safari. The only one that ends up being a problem is IE 6 and maybe IE 7. Plus it shows no signs of dieing since Windows 7 XP Mode will allow you to run IE 6 still. What is the attachment to this browser. It had its time in the sun and it needs to go away. Just shut up and upgrade.
At this point in time, if you use IE 6, you deserve to have a piss poor internet experience. - sexybobo, on 06/25/2009, -2/+23if you are going to link to mozilla link to there actual web site not some third party site with a virus in the download http://www-archive.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x ...
- zephc, on 06/25/2009, -1/+20Can I point to this when clients ask for IE6 compatibility?
- ElbertF, on 06/26/2009, -0/+18http://elbertf.com/ie6ify
To get IE6's awesomeness in any browser. :) - obeythefist, on 06/25/2009, -1/+19I don't think this is so much a dig on Microsoft as it is on the morons who still use IE6, forcing us to develop our sites to work with it. If MS has abandoned it, the rest of us should be allowed to as well.
- masterkenobi, on 06/25/2009, -7/+24***** guys, I can't get the site to load on Safari 1 or Netscape 4.
- mrsteveman1, on 06/25/2009, -3/+19I don't get this argument, if these organizations use IE as just another front end for their own websites, why would that affect the wider internet? Web developers need to realize who the real audience is, and target them.
- onClipEvent, on 06/25/2009, -3/+19I'm certainly not an IE fan, but software evolve, and it's expected to have older programs (browsers in this case) to be incompatible with newer standards and functions....that's why there are new versions of software. I can't imagine Mosaic 1.0 browser displaying the same website without problems.
- cawpin, on 06/25/2009, -0/+16"They haven't released anything newer than IE6 SP1 for Win2k."
Oh, you mean that unsupported OS running that unsupported browser? - Phil13, on 06/26/2009, -1/+17Sadly, as an independent web developer, I can't stop wasting time making IE6 work right. I check stats to verify IE6 users actually go to any of the sites I make, and it still makes up a (small) portion of the visits.
If I don't make it work, it looks bad on me, I'll get complaints, I'll look incompetent, etc, etc.
I believe I'm going to have no choice but to drop IE6 support, and have to charge people extra cash for each page on the site I need to test in it if they really want the compatibility.
Either way, IE6 is going to be a thorn in my ass for a very long time I'm afraid. - woofers07, on 06/25/2009, -1/+16I just checked it in IE 6 and it looks fine to me. As a front-end developer, I need a copy of this ***** browser for the sole purpose of raising my BP.
- ErrorLoading, on 06/25/2009, -1/+15I actually went to msn's home page a week or so ago on someone's old as balls computer. It loaded fine. I'm wondering about the legitimacy of this.
But, even if it is legit, IE6 is 10 years old with 2 new versions. I haven't tried, but I'm going to bet Netscape doesn't load it correctly either. - schoate09, on 06/25/2009, -1/+14W2K usage is consistently pinned at under 3% on the net. If there's really that many users on W2K out there, they must be online. And after all this time, they should have upgraded to Xp, which is compatible with all the same software, and if the hardware supported W2K, but not Xp, there's nothing on the internet those machines could handle that IE8 would utilize, in fact, if your machine CAN'T run Xp, it probably can't run IE8. (Hardware influence wise).
- LANjackal, on 06/25/2009, -0/+13I meant internal apps that people outside the company can't see, not their public sites. The corporation I worked for a had a lot internal stuff that relied on ActiveX to work right and zero budget to upgrade it thanks to belt-tightening. They actually tried to roll out IE7 and it broke so much stuff they reverted to IE6*. Sad but true. This isn't really anyone's fault - it's just a perfect storm of intertia, cost and a weak economy.
*More enterprising employees such as myself figured out that Chrome rendered some of the IE ActiveX stuff as PDFs (go figure), thus making them easier to use, but try telling that to your average monolith IT department.
As for web developers, I haven't seen any recently maintained site that was explicitly coded for IE6 (i.e. there's a notice on the site that says "best viewed with IE6" or something like that). And no, just because a certain page renders poorly in Firefox or Chrome doesn't mean it renders properly in IE either. A lot of what you see out there is just bad webcoding, period, regardless of browser tech. - zip000, on 06/25/2009, -0/+13Just checked my stats...22.6% of my users are still on IE6. That makes me so sad. Excluding IE7, that's more than all the other browsers combined.
- Entroper, on 06/25/2009, -2/+14So get FF 3.5.
- B1665r, on 06/25/2009, -3/+15Just a guess... If you are still using IE6 you don't give a crap what your internet experience is.
- inactive, on 06/25/2009, -2/+14Still with the IE6? Drop it, already. That *****"s like a decade old and we're two versions past it.
- Fygee, on 06/25/2009, -2/+13This is like complaining about IE4 not working well with websites a few months after IE6 came.
Actually, this is worse.
Upgrade your ***** people. Or just use Firefox. - StanleyKoolPrik, on 06/25/2009, -1/+12Designers that support IE6 are COLLABORATORS.
- ifruit, on 06/25/2009, -0/+11Doesn't work in AOL either!!!
- B1665r, on 06/25/2009, -8/+19Stop trying to be reasonable, we have an anti-mircosoft agenda to pimp here. So we say things like windows BSODs when you open the cd drive, and we talk about Microsoft BOB, and complain about clippy! I was never more bitter when DOS 5 made norton commander from Dos 3.3 days stop working properly. For that I will never forgive them!
- D3koy, on 06/25/2009, -4/+15Lots of us have Windows. That kinda makes it impossible to not have at hand.
- CircleFusion, on 06/25/2009, -0/+10That's actually a good point! Hmm...
- ChiefUCF, on 06/25/2009, -0/+10I don't think IE6 killed him...
- psisar, on 06/26/2009, -0/+10Because IE comes preinstalled on every Windows OS? It's easy to be number 1 by default.
- KibibyteBrain, on 06/26/2009, -0/+9You'd be amazed how many people who actually have money to spend and actually buy things from internet ads use computers primarily from their office workstation. Keep in mind, most of the world are normal folk, and they are most of IT's customers.
- Cglass, on 06/25/2009, -2/+11Just because you work at an "ISP" does not mean that you have a firm grasp of the internet.
The fact that you said something positive about IE6 being used great at work confirms my theory that you are full of *****.
I do not use a mac, but that is only by choice.
Good day. - DanThingo, on 06/26/2009, -0/+9You can't uninstall IE on XP, and why upgrade if you won't use IE 8...
- inactive, on 06/26/2009, -0/+9Ah Microsoft... the same company that also uses Microsoft Word to render HTML in Outlook.
- pokobunt, on 06/25/2009, -1/+10I don't get it, why don't people upgrade IE?
- domenics, on 06/25/2009, -3/+12You guys think like such out-of-touch nerds.
Many, many businesses rely on IE6 because they have a custom app built on it, or some stupid activex control that only works for that version, or whatever. The home market pretty much upgrades whenever they can. The business world is a totally different story. That'd be fine, except a huge portion of web browsing is done.... from the office.
Edit: before I start getting the nerdrage-fueled digg-downs, let me be clear: I wish everyone would use Firefox or even Safari or Opera. I wish IE would disappear from the face of the planet. Unfortunately, what I wish has no bearing on reality, and the reality is that an enormous number of businesses are entrenched in IE6 and there are no signs that it's going to change. That's why we can't all just shut up and ignore IE6 (at least, not those of us who develop web applications) - djgreedo, on 06/26/2009, -0/+8Get out of this thread.
Beat it. - Chewie67, on 06/26/2009, -1/+9You are right, that is one major reason why so many people still use IE6.
It doesn't matter, however. It's basic survival. Adapt of die.
It you aren't willing to invest the money to upgrade your internal systems, you deserve to be left behind.
You wouldn't expect Exxon to hold off on selling lead-free gasoline because I want to keep driving a 1940's model car. That's a ME problem.
Same with IE6. If you aren't willing to upgrade, you get left behind. - bearcat8543, on 06/25/2009, -2/+10NO WAI!!! nevar woulda imagined ***** doesnt work right on a browser thats 10 years old and 2 versions deep
why isnt anyone complaining about netscape? - B1665r, on 06/25/2009, -4/+12I use the SOW (Safari On Windows )client. It allows me to pretend my computer is much nicer than it is.
-
Show 51 - 100 of 259 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is