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- monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -3/+11What does kashrut in the US have anything to do with what you just said?
- monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -3/+10A tax is a charge on an item which goes to the federal or state governments. So please, the word tax is misleading.
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -2/+9Not only that, Israel has lost billions(!) in defense contracts with countries the US specifically requested Israel not deal with. The US financial aid is a way of keeping Israel on a leash. You better do what we wan't or that financial aid is gone.
- monsieurginger, on 05/25/2008, -2/+9"until you are rendered completely powerless and kicked the ***** out of my country's politics for being the traitors that you are." ----- the "you" here is me?
"*everything* you call pro-Israel is in fact anti-Israel." ------ would you like to explain this because you've said that many times and I still don't get how I'm anti-Israel. You always follow by calling me a Likudnik even though I and my parents were always lefties/Labor in Israeli politics and liberal/Democrat in American politics. I'm against the settlements in the West Bank but I'm definetly pro Israel. I'm well aware of the Christian zionists waiting for the rapture which is really creepy to me.
by "powerless" do you mean revoked of the right to vote and to run for office? perhaps even deported? or put in one of those camps that the japanese americans were during WW2?
"you hopefully will end up in prison, where you belong." ---- yup, just like the japanese americans during ww2.
"so they can see what goes on in religion's name." ------ huh? where the hell did you get that. Does that mean that every time a christian does something bad he does it in Christianity's name?
"she is committing genocide on" ---- have you actually seen census data? The palestinian population is one of the fastest growing in the world. about 5000 Palestinians died during the second intafada. that's about the same amount of Israelis died from car accidents.
The reason the US supports Israel is because it wants to support a liberal democracy in the Middle East.
"The Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence do not mention Israel, FOR A REASON." Yea, because Israel didn't exist back then, duh.
"Perhaps you could attend one." ----- If its somewhere close, maybe I will. - monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -2/+9Again, this isn't government policy so it isn't a tax. It's up to each individual business/company to decide whether they want their goods to be certified or not. They don't have to do it. Hence, it is not a tax.
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -3/+9If in Tel Aviv one is free to step into a supermarket and buy something that is non-kosher, why shouldn't you be able to?
Isn't that how capitalism works? You as the consumer have the power to buy whatever it is you want, and if what you want doesn't exist, you have every right to invent it?
Imagine, if so many people didn't want to pay for kosher food, you could make a fortune by selling it.
In Israel their are two chains that live exactly off of this. One is called "Tiv Taam", that specializes in selling Non-kosher products, and another is called "Maadani Mizra", that sells pork products. - monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -4/+10Wow, why does markusgarvey, 911artstudent, and neocognitism care so much about Kashrut and the Jewish community in the US?
- yonoz, on 05/24/2008, -3/+9MG, for someone who claims to be both Jewish and Black you sure have much in common with digg's most repugnant xenophobes.
- monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -3/+93 billion because the US government wants to protect its ally which goes straight back to the US defense industry.
- monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -4/+9Now you are just twisting the meanings of words. Kosher tax?
- monsieurginger, on 05/25/2008, -2/+7"Matter closed" --- Too bad, I had a few questions and a response. Like I'm not ultra-zionist. What's the difference between a zionist and an ultra zionist? I'm critical of some Israeli policies my self. I looked at at the wiki on genocide and if Israel is trying to destroy the Palestinians, they sure suck it and why would they supply them with fuel and such? And explain to me how you are pro-Israel, like what Israel should do?
- yonoz, on 05/24/2008, -4/+9What kind of role do you play in the Jewish community, MG?
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -3/+7911, that's a great Idea. In fact, we should also have some kind of mark for those who buy kosher food. How about a yellow star of David they can wear on their shirts?
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -2/+6There is no kosher TAX!
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -4/+7This guy explains it pretty well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L7JmCLYZVl0 - monsieurginger, on 05/24/2008, -2/+5"Pushing for war with Iran" ------ give me one quote of someone from the Jewish community calling for a war with Iran.
"requesting billions in free military aid" ------ Have you ever thought that the US wants to protect Israel?
------>In order to respond to the calling people antisemitic for criticizing Israel, I have to look at individual cases. I wouldn't necessarily call Chomsky antisemitic but he has been in bed with holocaust deniers, and failing to recognize the antisemitic notions of denying the holocaust is like failing to recognize the racist notions in saying that blacks liked slavery. Israel's enemies are antisemitic(or anti-Jewish/Jews) such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran. Just read Hamas charter and Hezbollah has called for killing to Jews worldwide. Iran is antisemitic for denying the Holocaust because of the reason I've stated above. People who support Hamas are antisemitic, just read the Hamas charter(google it).
And to the whole meth lab at a kosher plan or thing-of-a-ma-jig, the only reason it comes to your attention is because they are Jewish, not American or any other ethnic group. "they pose as pious Jews!"------ they don't pose as the most righteous, you just expect them to be because they are the Jews.
You don't condemn Christians because of Hagee, - yonoz, on 05/25/2008, -2/+4"On the weekend" - LOL, you mean on Shabbat? You have an "old Rabbi friend" who makes you work on the Sabbath?
- yonoz, on 05/25/2008, -1/+3What's that word cog always uses? That's right - astroturfer. "Truth and equality", LMFAO.
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -3/+5I see no comedy in making fun of ones traditions and beliefs.
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -5/+6I have plenty of kosher saran wrap, aluminum foil, and Glad freezer bags that I will be happy to contribute to the cause of preserving what is left of those Rubashkin hot dogs.
- dkapuchino, on 05/24/2008, -3/+4A crook is a crook. I don't laugh at Hamas terrorists posing as Aid workers or using ambulances to smuggle weapons. Do you?
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -5/+5it's OK.....don't worry!...manna will fall from the heavens!...it's hard to find something that's NOT kosher..
- Siegfriedson, on 05/24/2008, -6/+6On that Liberal White Boy Blog, I read a few of the articles in the "Urban Myths My Butt" section and I recommend them to others. It is so interesting how the ties between Israel and 9/11 were never mentioned in the mainstream media except for Carl Cameron's report which was promptly tossed down the memory hole.
- inactive, on 05/25/2008, -1/+1you think just because its the sabbath he doesn't need to be cared for?...and it's not work to me..he is a dear friend...im loosing the the small bit of respect i had for you yonoz...you are just another troll...you still haven't answered any of my questions...and at this point i don't even care what you have to say....
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -4/+3Do you know Eric Alterman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nch43wy8Zb8 - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -7/+6Why is the Jewish religious community allowed to tax the Christian community? Can't imagine the uproar if this was a Christian tax. Why do dish detergents, Glad trash bags, etc. need to be Kosher?
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -8/+7Mssr. Ginger, lighten up. This is a comedy piece. There isn't going to be a kosher holocaust.
Anyway it's just that sometimes a tiny handful of people who presume to speak for and act on the behalf of Jewish community make unreasonable demands on the resources and lives of ordinary Americans. Pushing for war with Iran, requesting billions in free military aid, entangling our mideast policy in a web of conflicts and loyalties that do not serve America's interests and smear America's reputation tend to rub people the wrong way. The same can be said for imposing abusive politically correct forms of political expression that seek to tarnish critics of the Lobby, its goals, and its actions as "antisemites".
With the Rubashkins it's a little different. You have people who appear to be pious Hasidem running a meth lab, employing vast numbers of illegal aliens, and acting as slaveowners, occasionally tying up and beating the unfortunate people who work in their plant. But again one sees monumental hypocrisy and sociopathic conduct that imposes huge social costs on the broader society at large. How ironic that they pose as pious Jews!
Btw, I feel the same way about Pastor Hagee and Rod Parsely. It's just that I've never been called an anti-gentile for speaking out about thse guys. - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -5/+4But surely you see the irony in posing as an ultra-religious Chabad Lubbavitcher while engaging in illegal and morally reprehensible activities such as smuggling illegal aliens, violating labor laws, enslaving and beating your laborers and running a vast criminal enterprise. If it had been Amish doing the same thing you would probably be laughing too.
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -4/+3Rubashkin hot dogs!...You can only eat just 1!...(every few hours,or until you start to crash)...i tried... :-P
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -6/+5Niiiice.
Well, I am willing to give up eating Kosher dills for a while in order to help avert this tragedy. That being said, I'm not sure I could give up Tofutti, even with a humanitarian crisis in the offing. - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -5/+4A crook is a crook. So true! That's what we think the kosher tax is, crooked!
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -6/+4Some good points, but I wonder is the 'kosher tax' (1) a reflection of pork barreling by Jewish lobbyists and lawmakers (seems to be the assumption of the guy in the video); (2) a reflection of the fact that Jews have greater wealth, so getting every little thing you make certified kosher is a good way to avoid excluding the group with the most purchasing, media, and corporate power, which can be your friend or your enemy when you're trying to sell a product; (3) a reflection of the fact that most brands are actually owned by larger conglomerates that are actually run by Jewish men (or have a lot of Jewish men on their boards), who probably feel pressure to ensure their products are kosher (in much the same way that Christian men fifty years ago were expected to make sure their companies did nothing 'not Christian'); or (4) some combination of the above?
If pork barreling is involved, and I suspect it is, it must be ended, just as all pork barreling must be ended. It's an insult, and an injury, to taxpayers. If it's just a reflection of the pro-semitic, or Judeocentric, culture of many companies, then it's really up to the customers to decide what they want, and, given the dominant position Jews hold within American society, there's no way in hell that any company is going to risk offending them by not playing their game, any more than any company would have risked offending whites or Christians fifty years ago.
Anyway, this kosher tax, if it truly exists, pales in comparison to the illegitimate taxes we pay for cow meat, milk, and cheese (just to name a few). I remember an Economist article from the 1990's showing that beef would cost around $12/lb if it weren't for all the tax subsidies we pay to large agriculture corporations, through the magic of corporate welfare. - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -5/+2what makes you think I'm black yonoz?...just because of my screen name...i am a reggae musician, and the nickname was given to me by Jamaican Rastafarian's i have played with over the years....what difference does the color of my skin make anyway?...and who are these "repugnant xenophobes" you speak of?...it seems most of your crew fits that designation....my friends here fight for truth and equality and against warped oppressive policy decisions made by corrupt governments...what do you stand for besides Zionism?..
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -7/+4The U in a circle or the kosher k etc. It is a charge that we pay for (perhaps you don't know it). It is on almost ALL staples. It is made to look like a registered trademark. Many don't realize it's there.
If in Tel Aviv one is free to step into a supermarket and buy something that is non-kosher, why shouldn't you be able to? Excellent question, mine too.
But you see we are not IN Tel Aviv. If I was in Israel I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Would YOU have a problem if you found all of your flour had to be blessed by the Pope and you were paying into a religion that isn't yours (regardless of which one it is) ? - inactive, on 05/25/2008, -5/+2YONOZ!....answer my questions please...i answered yours..
- neocognitism, on 05/25/2008, -7/+4Good question.
Around two years ago I began to become aware of how powerful the Israel Lobby was in my country. Previous to this I had only been aware of the Occupation and how Israel was committing the same acts they decried about the Jewish Holocaust, onto the Palestinians. I had not been aware of how American politics were dominated by people supporting this position, because of how it has been forbidden to discuss lest one be called an anti-Israel antisemite, as I have been knowingly falsely called over and over.
I decided that was unacceptable, that my country's politics be dominated like a tiny hegemony by these immoral and unethical chickenhawk warmongering groups, and so I have decided to be as involved as you and your astroturfing group is, monseuir. My goal is to raise awareness of this elephant in the room until you are rendered completely powerless and kicked the ***** out of my country's politics for being the traitors that you are.
Part of raising that awareness is to show other Americans who have been scared into silence by your cadre that not only is there no need to be silent, because practically nothing you call antisemitism actually is, and *everything* you call pro-Israel is in fact anti-Israel. That means talking about the place of your Jewish Zionists and Christian Zionists in America, who they are, and what *****-up ***** they are doing. In order to do so one must compare and contrast these groups to the greater Jewry and Christians, in order to show they misrepresent the beliefs of both groups, and are in fact only minority cults with vast financial and therefore political backing. Once this awareness is sufficiently in the American psyche, you will be dealt with like all other traitorous cults, you will be marginalized and rendered powerless. Some of you hopefully will end up in prison, where you belong.
So that's why I am interested in this story. It is a story of major news to American Jewry, and this particular group is such an extremely awful example of what organized crime is allowed to go on under the protection of the antisemite cudgel. It is important all American Jewry and Christians learn about this, so they can see what goes on in religion's name. This way, it won't happen again.
Once this McCarthy-esque period of antisemite/anti-Israelite hunt is at an end, and our client country Israel's government has made peace with the people she is committing genocide on, and American politics are no longer dominated, silently or not, by the traitorous perceived support of a foreign country named Israel, I will thankfully set this issue aside and not think about it. Until then, it is completely unacceptable that my country is hijacked thus, and I will not sit and let my children grow up in this mockery of an egalitarian democracy.
Is that clear, you traitorous single-issue prick? One war or another you are going to admit that America would never have existed and prospered if it was a Zionist proxy like you want it to remain. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence do not mention Israel, FOR A REASON.
www.philipweiss.org --- for your soul. He is attending many gatherings where prior Zionists are crying their eyes out about the immoral philosophy they once held. Perhaps you could attend one. Bring your father if you can't drive. - neocognitism, on 05/25/2008, -7/+4I'm pro-Israel as well, but I do not define my pro-Israel beliefs the way you do, which are in fact anti-Israel. No, I don't mean powerless as in can't vote, I mean no more Israel Lobby so you have no method to distort American politics. By prison I mean for those violating Federal law and acting as agents of a foreign government, or perjury, espionage, etc, I obviously do not mean rounding up *all* traitorous ultra-Zionists like yourself, just the actual traitorous law-breakers that make the Israel Lobby work. I have no desire to employ your methods. Genocide is defined only partially as murder, see wikipedia and the Convention on Genocide and stop repeating this lying debunked AIPAC talking point.
My set of beliefs is not something you can "respond" to or "disprove." You asked a question. I decided to take my time and tell you. You "responded" like I was challenging you to some kind of debate. I'm not. I'm providing this single clarification now on points you either didn't understand or chose to misconstrue. I now consider this matter closed. - inactive, on 05/24/2008, -9/+5sorry..i was really tired and just coming off the warpath. and didn't read your question correctly...i think its ridiculous that every American has to pay a kosher tax...what do you have to say about Rubashkin's business practices?...i didn't know that Methamphetamine was included in the Kashrut..
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -11/+6i cant speak for the others, but I'm part of it (the Jewish Community) and the policy's of the Zionist are a disgrace to the whole of humanity..... but i an am an American first, and Israel has too much control over the U.S Govt , and the Palestinians and Israeli's have a right to exist..in a nutshell...i could go into detail but it's been a long day, and I'm going to sleep....
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -9/+3how many billions of U.S tax money goes to Israel in financial aid?...
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -10/+4aside from taking care of my old Rabbi friend on the weekends and fighting against Zionism here on digg...not a whole lot...im sure there is a lot more i could do.....same question back at ya....
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -9/+3The point here is that few goyim are aware of which products are kosher and thus pay the 'kosher tax' unwittingly. Moreover, because the proceeds from this fee are used to fund morally repugnant projects like the West Bank separation wall and to bulldoze Palestinian homes so new settlements can be built in Occupied Palestinian Territiory, it is essential that goyim be made aware of the "Kosher 'tax'". Perhaps relabeling the products with a star of David would be more informative? People shouldn't be duped into subsidizing Zionist agendas.
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