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- Skanadian, on 10/10/2007, -6/+13We don't have to post every George Carlin clip on Digg.
- KingCook, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The Bible is an astrology book (if you care to do some research into the matter wou will see it also is almost 95 % identical to the egyptian religion: the egyptians worshipped the sun and the bible is full of references to this)
It has served its purpose through history when people where trying to understand the world they live trying to understand time by watching the stars they noticed reoccuring paterns in the sky .... (the symbolism in the bible has many references to this) ... so for naming the seasons they gave it mythical meaning.
The birth of christ is a story linked to an astrological phenomenon that reoccurs every year on the belt of orion.
As for the argument you are making ...
It just matters what you want to believe... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6These aren't facts. These are prepositions with no evidence, claims without sources, entreaty to authority. Worthless. Your belief is a delusion.
- PAJK, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6You mental case. Jesus never existed, sorry. He's an historical religious cliche.
- veganpa, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Democracy Sucks -- appropriate title. Wow, someone put together a page that claims to "prove" some fantasy from 2000 years ago. Yeah, scientists should "disprove" all BS that someone puts on the web!
Enderz -- read "The End of Faith" for why the continued belief in some all-powerful pal in the sky is harmful to humanity. - mlvassallo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Sometimes George Carlin is ***** too. I'm just sayin'...
- PAJK, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Why should we give something as moronic as religion special status? Give me a break.
- Webler707, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, I tried to find some evidence but couldn't. He is doing what most Christian Fundamentalists are doing, repeating the bull ***** he has heard.
- cmcagle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3First of all, the claim that "the bible is an historical document" is laughable. The bible is no more "historical" than the fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm or the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
Second, this site accepts mundane propositions as fact, and there is no attempt (nor is it possible) to deduce a supernatural conclusion from them. Let's explore that a bit further.
1) Jesus was crucified. For the sake of argument, let's grant that this is true. The problem is that a lot of people were crucified under the Romans. Even your bible mentions that Jesus was crucified alongside two other men. This proves nothing.
2) Disciples believed Jesus reappeared to them. The key word here is *believed*. The Heaven's Gate cult believed that the Hale-Bopp comet would collect their souls after they committed mass suicide.The ancient Greeks believed that lightning was caused by Zeus hurling bolts from Mt. Olympus. Again, this proves nothing, except perhaps that people have been delusional for a very long time.
3 & 4) Sudden conversion of Paul and Joseph. Again, for the sake of argument, let's assume this is true. It has absolutely no more meaning than if I were to point out that Katie Holmes was suddenly converted to Scientology. Does that prove that Xenu and body thetans are real? Of course not.
5) The tomb was empty. Once more, let's grant this for the sake of argument. If, as your bible claims, the Jewish people (excluding Caiaphas, the Pharisees, and the entire Jewish priesthood) really believed Jesus was their King, isn't it possible that grave robbers (who were extremely prevalent in 1st-century Jerusalem) would have looted the tomb of a "King"? Furthermore, this is an extremely difficult thing to grant, even for the sake of argument. Considering that your bible makes no mention of where the tomb is located, there is simply no way to verify whether there was a "Tomb of Jesus" in the first place, much less whether it was/is empty.
Religion cannot stand on fact, and any attempt at a fact-based approach to religion is doomed to fail. This is why theists recognize the need for faith. Faith, of course, is an alleged shortcut to knowledge, which undermines man's only true means of knowledge: reason. - Junel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You forgot the /sarcasm tag...
- aduzik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A belief in God is *not* harmless. Bill Maher said recently something that I've been saying since the start of the Iraq war: if we had a president who didn't believe that soldiers who die in battle are going to heaven, maybe he wouldn't be so cavalier about sending them into the line of fire. I refuse to admit that I'm the crazy one for not believing in an invisible sky-daddy who wants to party with my ghost for all eternity when I die. Christopher Hitchens may be an *****, but he's right: religion poisons everything.
- Iam9376, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm not attacking what you said so keep that in mind,
but do you have any material to support what you just said? - fraggle35, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2keep it simple, dead people do not come back to life....fact.
- aduzik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1OK, I'll bite, too.
1) We'll just assume this is a fact for the sake of your argument. A man was crucified, which was hardly out of the ordinary at the time.
2) What the apostles believe is irrelevant. They probably also believed the earth was flat. And, unless you co-host The View, you know that's wrong.
3) Also irrelevant. Again, what an individual believes is beside the point.
4) What, am I talking to myself here? Same thing: believing, even believing *really hard*, doesn't magically make things come into existence.
5) Let's suppose this one's true, too. Now, you are aware that grave robbing was all the rage at the time, right? Who wouldn't want to rob the grave of the self-anointed "King of the Jews"? Here's an alternative, and equally likely, explanation: his disciples wanted people to believe he magically rose from the dead, so they stole the body and said he "resurrected".
So your entire argument seems to boil down to this: a man with delusions of grandeur was executed by an arguably unjust government and his body went missing. His friends, deep in denial, go a little crazy with grief and say it feels like he's still with them. Mind you, it's not the worst story I've ever heard, but it in no way lends credence to your belief that Jesus is magic.
As other have said, you can't prove the existence of God. That means that your God is as likely to exist as the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Ron Paul's chances of winning the 2008 presidential election (zing!) Which is to say, there is no chance your God exists. Better luck to all of you in the next round. - AlwaysAwake, on 01/17/2009, -0/+1More reasons not to get down on my knees than someone mistaking me for Monica Lewinsky, or Congressman Barney Frank.
- KingCook, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Check my profile favorites :) and if you want some dirt add me as a friend
- BlackCow, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Ok why the ***** is digg doing that to links and then won't allow you to edit them.
Search on google video, zetigeist. You can fact check everything if you don't believe it, and its a good video. - BlackCow, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You want proof, here you go.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422 ... - Icyfenix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yes we do.
- mizuh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1 Evidence of what? Even if we AGREE that the 5 points are 100% true, it's still evidence of NOTHING.
1. OK, so Jesus was crucified. No argument here. This doesn't amount to anything because, well, everybody dies. Had he never died, then you'd be on to something.
2,3,4. Somebody believing something means nothing in the way of evidence. If I believe there is no god, does that make it fact? So somebody converted to Christianity or proclaims that Jesus is the son of god. Unbelievable proof of god's existence and that Jesus was his son and that Mary was a virgin. I'm sold.
5. An empty tomb. Well, I can see the logic here. Empty tomb = resurrected son of god. No other possibilities.
If this is the best "evidence" that can be mustered, you're hurting your own cause more than anything. - Zuzubar, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Dude, people need to stop posting all of these George Carlin links.
- Junel, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Because everyone has the right to believe or disbelieve whatever they want, who is he to criticize what people believe. I wouldn't let Carlin pump my gas let alone put any stock into his religious beliefs.
- Enderz, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3How about we relieve religion out of Digg? It's personal and non of anyone's business.
- democracysucks, on 10/10/2007, -11/+5Funny...I wonder if any Diggers could explain away the evidence?
http://epologetics.org/minimalfacts.php
I'm guessing not, but that won't keep them from digging down the argument. - TripleAStacked, on 10/10/2007, -7/+0George Carlin would make a great president......next to ron paul :D
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