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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11This is just a list of buzzwords.
Lame. - candiru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Number One: Be Persuasive.
ORLY? - Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9except that rarely do all people on a team put in the same amount of effort.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Oh so you mean like 99.999% of the world?
- hhOwArdrOarKk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+611. Hire A Private Investigator And Be Patient.
The people that employ you are only human. If you are patient they will eventually succumb to earthly temptations in front of your hired camera. The extra 50 grand a year will vanquish any feelings of guilt that can arise from being a blackmailer. - dimitrisokolov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6
Rule #1 is that you will always get a better raise by taking a job someplace else. You can easily jump 20-30% over your current salary and rarely will your current employer go much above 5%, trust me. - Four20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6who starts a top ten with #1
always build the anticipation - gdillin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There is nothing of help here....what a lame article..
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Some of us have mortgages to pay and kids to feed....maybe when you and your "company" move out of your parents basement and realize just how nice a steady income is you'll change that attitude a little.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I find that simply blackmailing your boss with things he said at the christmas party about your officemate Julie usually works just as well.
- Mallus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3More importantly than the amount of effort that everyone puts in, rarely are all the people on a team putting out the same amount of productivity.
- argoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All of that is wrong. Number 11 should be "understand free markets". The bottom line is that if your skills are hard to come by and are difficult to duplicate in the real world, you will be able to command a higher pay. For example, if you are a dish washer, no amount of sweet talk in the world is going to land you a high end salary. But if you are nuclear physicist then they will have a lot harder time hiring anyone off the street to replace you.
What just kills me is to watch people try to negotiate pay raises in the megacorp world and the government sector. The employers usually say "well meet these performance criteria, and such and at the time of your next review you will get a competitive pay raise". Nonsense, the only thing that will determine your pay is what the supply and demand are in the market. Most peoples pay raises don't even make up for inflation. In fact, even if you made your company a million in sales - the bottom line is that if they can find a comparable replacement - your pay will be whatever the market pay that a comparable replacement will accept plus or minus a few percent.
Anyone who wants more than that, who wants to be paid off their productivity value and not their competitive market value needs to go into a business of their own and assume all the risks on themselves. No one else will drag you into the world of wealth, that is your responsibility alone. - bitt3n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2nor do they have the same experience, nor are they all equally talented. your solution may work in a button factory or something though.
- GoClick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3And that's exactly why union workers never go above and beyond.
- celopes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Even if you are self-employed or have your own company, you may need to negotiate wages with your clients. Some arguments may still apply.
BTW, nothing wrong with having a job while you kickstart that multi-national business of yours... Pay the bills and such... - stalinvlad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Didn't Apple start in a parents garage?
- au071, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And in big companies, your immediate manager may have no direct control over your salary, he can only recommend so higher ups give the actual raise, which is just a fixed % anyway...
- adiqiucorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0number one rule:
always ask for more than you expect to get. - gnuix2004, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0One of the monster supplied tips is have a backup plan... like ohh say, search monster for a new job when your boss tosses you to the curb.
While I find that funny, having a backup offer is great leverage and allows you to be more aggressive.
But a word of caution, I have had friends who were paid more than the market value for their jobs and soon found themselves replaced. - wombat892, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0My argument is that not all workers have the same negotiation skills.
One worker shouldn't get more than another worker with the same skills, purely because they can argue their case better.
Of course individuals have differing skills and productivity.
My work place has pay Levels based on Skills achieved.
Equal pay for equal work.
Individual employer agreements are rarely in the worker's favour.
That is why Unions prefer to negotiate for the group.
- zeroduck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@iamcitizen:
Care to back that up? Did you even read the article? Have you ever asked for a raise? - zeroduck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1That might be true if you work in... food service. But for white collar type jobs, those are good tips. You really can't expect to be very successful if you just go to your boss and say "give me more money."
If there's nothing helpful in the article, care to give some better tips? - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3"Remember, we all go through it sooner or later. "
Only those who rent out their labor as wage-slaves rather than owning it by being their own boss. - wombat892, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I'm surprised one of the tips wasn't: Negotiate as a group.
It makes the whole ordeal less confronting being in a group rather than by yourself.
All my Salary negotiations are done by and for the whole work force.
Every person doing the same job, should get the same salary.
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