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- weijie90, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45Now they're suing artists too.
When will they sue themselves? //sarcasm - Errik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35This is insane!
- patw85, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30DJ Drama just instantly got a lot more popular
- JimDinger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23WTF? Come on people something really needs to be done about the RIAA,they are just getting way out of hand.Write your congress people and let them know that the RIAA/MPAA are getting way out of line.
- dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20"in soviet russia..."
actually, in soviet russia, music's better for the customer.
www.allofmp3.com - Koray, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18The point, you self righteous arrogant turd.. is that in this case the artists themselves not only benefit from the sale of these mixtapes, they often endorse them. Did you even read the article? DJ Drama is a legend within mixtape circles and countless artists have begged to be featured in his tapes. The RIAA stepped way out of line here, and it's clear.
- PaulLev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Totally out of control. The less real impact they have on recorded music, the more they thrash around. They'll soon spin out of existence - but they're doing a lot of damage in the meantime.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17In soviet russia, you play music. In RIAA Amerikka, music plays you!
- Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16@m3mn0n "I don't know about the rest of you, but personally I'd rather buy a CD than steal an album online just so I'm supporting the artist to continue to make music."
Buy a CD ? What for ? There's an entire generation that has no use for CDs anymore; CDs are only good for ripping and taking dust on a shelf. I don't have a CD player at home, heck I don't even have an integrated CD-rom drive on my laptop.
So I do want to support artists, but not by buying a useless piece of plastic. They will get my money at shows or when they can sell me MP3s I can read on all my equipment. - Dochtuir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Sony is one of the major players in the RIAA. So anything the RIAA does is partly Sonys fault too.
- Ollin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I guess they are trying to stop the mixtapes from being made. How else are up in coming artists supposed to get their name out there without a big record label deal?
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Out of control is right, it's like they can't see past the cash. I agree that their days are numbered, I don't think people will take this ***** for much longer.
- moudig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Everybody knows that mixtapes are gateway drugs.
- ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9What a load of *****. It's one thing to just be arseholes suing people 'cause the Internet confounded your business model of ripping artists off. But to be so out of touch with your own ***** industry that you think mix DJs are targets for arrest... that's just ridiculous.
- tylerjames, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8this corrupt organization has no reason to exist
they piss of everyone in and out of the industry, they can't even pretend to be doing it in the best interest of the artists on this one
***** the RIAA and ***** the MPAA - moudig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@xerokitsune:
Are you surprised? FOX News, also known as FAUX News... - xerokitsune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Sadly the reporters didn't bother to differentiate between the Mixtapes discs and standard pirates making duplicates of existing CDs in the market.
- chizzed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I hate when people say "sorry" just for the sake of saying it.
- AniceAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7people who share music are not stealing. stop believing the propagandists.
Think of it this way. Music just like any other art form is part of our communal culture. Humans are cultural creatures. If the RIAA gets there way only people who can afford to spend money get to partake in our culture. If you include DRM then it becomes only people who can afford not only to purchase said cultural artifact once, but those that can afford to keep buying the same piece of art over and over for different devices that are not compatible, are allowed to partake in our shared culture.
To me this is revolting. Culture should be free. That is why we have libraries for books, we have museums for artifacts and art galleries for artwork etc.
If you cannot afford it you still have a right to partake in it. Someone who can afford it will share it with you. You rent a movie and watch it with friends, that way many can share the culture freely. if due to your budget you cannot afford to rent it, download it.
It only harms the creators when you try to profit from pirating. My rational is I download culture for free because if I couldn't get it for free I would never get to be a part of it at all because I cannot afford to buy every single movie,book,cd that comes out. Whether I download it or not, no one is getting my money anyways. they want my money then have a concert in my city and if I like your music (I'd find out because I downloaded it) I'll go see you live.
If I liked your movie enough then I'll put your movie on my list of movies to buy. Normally I buy one once a month, collection right now is about 250 purchased movies and tv seasons. Only the best make it and the ***** ones after viewing on my computer get deleted. - Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What the ***** is wrong with them? Their short-sightedness baffles me. When they start jailing the artists who's going to make money for them?
- h4ppydotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Lamtd - you can buy MP3s legally online and support the artists at the same time - at emusic.com
I think the artists get 17-22 cents for each of their tracks you download and they are MP3s so there's no DRM and you can use them anywhere. - Jerky1312, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why limit yourself to only a week? That only shows your power, but why not enforce your power and don't buy anything at all from them again. There are many legal alternatives, who respect their listeners.
- rstarr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Ollin
You know, more and more artists are making big money on indie's and they are just snatching up major labels to press the albums. Therefore they are still the copyright holders, and the RIAA doesn't mess with the indies much as far as I know. You just need to work your ass off for promotion and sacrifice heavy hitting producers. It's definitely doable.
BTW This is insane. - juniorcosmonaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Being in a band that's in the process of releasing an album on our own label and promoting it ourselves I can tell you I'd rather someone download it for free and like it enough to come out to a show and maybe buy a t-shirt than them never being exposed to it in the first place.
I can't tell you how many bands I first heard through downloaded songs or burned cd's which I then got out to shows or bought their albums in a store, I may have even downloaded some full albums only to later buy their new stuff when it hits stores.
This type of stuff gets more people exposed to artists and even though someone will always cheat the system it generates more sales in the end, it also allows people to discover artists they would have never heard otherwise. You also have the ability to listen to the songs for free on myspace or other sites but that still won't get the exposure of being on a mix with other better known artists.
and btw if a MP3 is @ 192kbps there's no way you can tell the difference between it and a cd on any car stereo. - dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8gotta love the riaa, and sony.
it's obvious where this is coming from. - xerokitsune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Basically what the article says is the RIAA killing free publicity for artists. This will end up hurting music sales, the RIAA will cry "Piracy is killing our business!" and find the next thing to shoot themselves in the foot with.
- Xarou, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@m3mn0n
What makes a person want to buy a CD?
1) Because they heard a song by an artist on the radio and liked it so they go out and buy the CD.
2) They've liked the music on previous CDs, so they go and get the latest one.
3) I'll tell you in a bit
/hypothetical situation
I liked the song "Walking On The Sun" by Smash Mouth way back in the 90s, so I went out and bought Fush Yu Mang. I listened to it and only found that I liked the one song. So, that was a waste of the x amount of dollars I spent. So I ask, why spend 20 dollars on a CD if you definitely only like a few songs off of it? Once you open the CD, most places won't let you return it.
Now, for the second reason someone would buy a CD. Alright, let's say I really enjoyed every song off of Fush Yu Mang. Sweet, I'm a huge Smash Mouth fan now. Two years later they release a new CD, Astro Lounge. Awesome, I loved the first one, I'm going to love the second one. So, I go out and buy the CD and plop it in my CD player. 10 minutes later, after I have forwarded past every song cause it sucked, I take the CD out of the player and start listening to the radio. Now, in that situation, that shows that you can't always base a new CD by the band's previous works. Bands change their style. Once again, a waste of x dollars.
How can we do this so we aren't wasting our money? Remember the third point I said I would get back to, well it's time to look at it.
3) Finding artists by downloading their songs.
/still in hypothetical situation
Now I am randomly searching for stuff to download and I find a song by the band Blind Guardian. I download it and listen to it and think it's cool. Now, that I like one of their songs, and I don't think it justifies buying the whole CD, I start searching for more songs by Blind Guardian. I download them and listen to them and think they are kick ass. So, I go out and buy their CD. Now, even though I have "stolen" their music buy downloading their CD, I have also just went out and bought the CD. And also by searching for Blind Guardian, I find the band Kamelot and start doing the same thing with their songs. Now, I have found two bands that I like, but probably would have never heard of if I hadn't downloaded in the first place.
/end hypothetical situation
Above I listed why downloading songs is a good idea. It is because if done right, it will actually help out the music industry. Downloading music opens people up to new bands and types of music and also saves them from purchasing worthless CDs, CDs that would end up being a coaster or a microwavable frisbee. So, don't go knocking downloading because it doesn't hurt the music industry. - Jerky1312, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Rumor has it DJ Drama may have been set up by a music group who recently lost a lawsuit to him...
http://digg.com/music/DJ_Drama_Was_Set_Up - rstarr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Here's what DaveyD had to say about it...
As you peep this article you have to ask yourself what's the true motivation behind this move. DJ Drama and his peeps the Aphilliates have been doing this mixtape thing for a minute. The major labels which are represented by the RIAA have been using Drama and his crew for all sorts of industry functions with seemingly no problem. For example, I've been to a number of Interscope Record album release parties where DJ Drama was flown in from Atlanta to work the turntables. The label reps at these events would get on the mic and lavish him with all sorts of public praise. These same record labels would send him down to events like the Mixshow Power Summit. These same major labels would also hold award ceremonies for mixtape deejays asyt the Power Summit. So what is really going on here? Either mixtapes are illegal or they aren't. Either the major labels see mixtapes as viable parts of promotion or they don't. I would hope that all mixtape deejays worth their salt would put the smash down on the labels and not promote anymore music until this gets resolved. But we all know the way things work in this industry, somebody is probably jockeying for position trying to get put on on why the RIAA tries to put DJ Drama out.
Davey D - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4before the interweb, every (good) artist i ever heard was either from the John Peel show or a mixtape. Also, if it wasn't for mixtapes, hardly any of these house/trance/hiphop DJs would get work, and so wouldn't get into high positions where they could plug unknown artists, remix them, get them to no.1. The music that feeds these big record companies simply wouldn't be known... we all know its down to the DJs. EVERYONE owns a mixtape of one kind or another. The RIAA has taken their legal gun and pointed it at their own foot....
- zanzzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just to play the devil's advocate here:
One "artist" can be infringing on the copyrights of other artists and this would explain the actions of the R.I.A.A. goon squad.
These guys are playing for keeps! So remember- the next time you "perform" the song "Happy Birthday" in public you better pay the royalties in advance or risk the wrath of Khan, err, the R.I.A.A. - imeddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What are these people thinking? They'll 'save the record industry'? Hah. They don't care about music; creativity; consumers; or people in general for that matter. They're just in it for the money and that's all the RIAA cares about. And now they're even f*cking with the artists. You Americans should really contact your congress people like JimDinger said above. This is getting totally absurd.
- moudig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ daeken:
FYI: RIAA is not the copyright holder. The artists are. Those artists that already endorsed the mixtapes. - nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@orientis:
Until the RIAA starts hitting more (and bigger) portions of the common person, too few people will care.
Almost every non-geek I talk to barely knows what the RIAA is and always says "but yeah, they've only went after 100 people... 100 people out of the whole WORLD".
The don't know RIAA is based in US and only goes after US people and that it's been more than 100.
I wish the RIAA would do something FAR more insane than what they've been doing -- something personal to A LOT of people (like ask an ISP for *all* records and accidentally put them online). *THAT* would cause something to happen. Until then... the RIAA just isn't given enough press for people to know enough. - ZinjaShike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"Even if the artists do want on these tapes, they do not own the rights to the materials."
Woah, hold your horses right there. If the actual "artist" as in the one who created the original material wants the DJ to mix his music and put it on an album he cannot have such done, because "he doesn't own the right to the materials"?
Hello, copyright 101. Unless it is explicitly stated in said artists contract that they surrender all rights to their productions then maybe this might be true. However, artists are able to grant usage to whomever they want if not. THEY own the material 99% of the time. - KeepSwinging, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i live in atlanta and i can say from first hand expirence that georgia laws are amongest the dumbest in the country. no alcohol on sundays and now no mixtapes....this ***** state......
- Gunfunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Agreed, I also live in Atlanta, and this really causing waves in the Hip-Hop community here. A lot of different people are really pissed about this.
Also, since when does Morrow PD participate in arrest going on inside Atlanta city limits? - tweak13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No, it's not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You - simpleprimate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hit em with the Cannon!
- AniceAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4people who share music are not stealing. stop believing the propagandists.
Think of it this way. Music just like any other art form is part of our communal culture. Humans are cultural creatures. If the RIAA gets there way only people who can afford to spend money get to partake in our culture. If you include DRM then it becomes only people who can afford not only to purchase said cultural artifact once, but those that can afford to keep buying the same piece of art over and over for different devices that are not compatible, are allowed to partake in our shared culture.
To me this is revolting. Culture should be free. That is why we have libraries for books, we have museums for artifacts and art galleries for artwork etc.
If you cannot afford it you still have a right to partake in it. Someone who can afford it will share it with you. You rent a movie and watch it with friends, that way many can share the culture freely. if due to your budget you cannot afford to rent it, download it.
It only harms the creators when you try to profit from pirating. My rational is I download culture for free because if I couldn't get it for free I would never get to be a part of it at all because I cannot afford to buy every single movie,book,cd that comes out. Whether I download it or not, no one is getting my money anyways. they want my money then have a concert in my city and if I like your music (I'd find out because I downloaded it) I'll go see you live.
If I liked your movie enough then I'll put your movie on my list of movies to buy. Normally I buy one once a month, collection right now is about 250 purchased movies and tv seasons. Only the best make it and the ***** ones after viewing on my computer get deleted.
ps. hit reply by accident somewhere in the middle. this is repost 10 seconds later - Ghstfce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While they are at it, why not arrest 90% of the rap artists that use the beats from 80s and 90s songs? Because then the RIAA would have no one to defend. Mix tapes have been a crucial part of the industry for a while. They were always legal before, and now suddenly they are not. These agencies are getting a little too crazy with their ideals and agendas.
Did you know they look down on your renting a movie to watch with your friends? Do you know why? Because each person in the room watching has not paid the money for it. Their view: You watch a movie with others, only the one that paid for the movie is not stealing from their cash cow. And another VERY important piece of information to all those opposed to the RIAA/MPAA, and I find this infuriating, the RIAA/MPAA has a hand in the profits that are made from the sale of blank media! That's right, those that condemn piracy and the downloading/burning of music/movies are getting paid for every blank CD/DVD you buy. They sell the means in which to perform this act and profit from it, then turn around and sue you because 3 cents a disc isn't enough. Hell, even $7500 a song isn't enough.
My overall point is no artist that is signed by the RIAA/MPAA are starving due to people downloading. They all live in their huge homes with their fancy cars. Hell, most of them see between 1 and 3% of all album profits anyway. Who gets the rest? You guessed it. - niktech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@slimbooty: With that kind of thinking we should be paying every site we link to! So Digg will cash out millions, Yahoo will go bancrupt in seconds and Google will cease to exist immediately. What a nice strategy you have!
- toneii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I be on it, I be straight up on that Kryptonite"
"Woooo!" - h4ppydotcom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Have you ever considered moving to another State, or country?
:) - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, a week is lame. Just stop giving them your money entirely.
Pirate your music. Download it all you please. Then, if it's good and you want to support the artist, go online and find when he's doing live shows. Go to those shows. Find a mailing address for the artist or a fan club that can forward letters to the artist. Stick a $10 in an envelope and include a note about how you love the artist's tunes but hate their label, so you pirated the music instead and here's $10 to make up for it. That $10 is three or four times what they'd get from you buying their album.
The only way to stop these middle men from causing all this chaos is to eliminate them. Stop giving them your damn money, fools. - sgamer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2the RIAA gets most of the money from selling the albums these artists make, and the way a lot of people hear these artists are through mixtapes and mix dj's hitting radio/satellite radio with those same exclusives. Artists, brands, labels, they all use branded mixtapes to push their name on an urban scene...and now they want money that isn't theirs back?
Justo Faison is rolling in his grave, folks. - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3they're not soviets anymore, are they?
- ironpirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this reminds me of the South Park episode. Hope they are sued and will stop the harassment. All they care about i s money, money, money. This isn't the 90's anymore.
- bbhh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah... i mean i think the riaa is as lameas the next guy does.. but this is a bit misleading. the title makes me think he's making them individually for his friends, but he has 81000? and they are also for sale on the itunes store? haha.... ok.
- speel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I probably got dugg down for being white and trying to rap.. and including exclamation marks.
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