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NY Times: How Fox News Attacks Reporters Who Talk About Them

nytimes.com — At Fox News, media relations is keeping reporters in line by feeding and sometimes maiming them. Shooting the occasional messenger is baked right into the process. By blacklisting reporters it does not like, planting stories with friendlies at every turn, Fox News has been living a life beyond consequence for years.

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  • Veriander, on 07/07/2008, -47/+10I sent the following email to David Carr. If he responds I'll post it.
    ********************************************************************
    Mr. Carr,

    I read your article "When Fox News Is the Story" with interest. Although I’m of Conservative / Libertarian persuasion, and more of a Fox follower than that of the NYT, the article seems “Fair and Balanced” to me. However, as someone outside of the news media it surprises me that Fox’s tactics are seen as being outside of the norm. I assumed that all large news organizations ‘play hardball’ with reporters who work for the competition. Isn’t the use of cut-throat tactics an honored tradition dating back to the era of ‘Yellow Dog’ journalism? Pulitzer and Hearst seemed ready to do just about anything to take readers away from their competitors. I take it from your article that there has been a tradition of civility and professional courtesy that Fox has violated, and their tactics at least verge on the unethical. Is that true? Do other organizations ‘play nice’ with each other? For example, does the NYT enjoy an amicable relationship with the WSJ?

    I have a second question for you. As a consumer I’ve always scoffed at the notion of objective reporting. How can a human be truly objective? I know that Journalism schools attempt to teach objectivity, but in my experience all news outlets and reporters have opinions that always come through in their semantics and choice of coverage. So my question is, why not abandon the pretense and admit that all reporting is Opinion and Analysis? Why shouldn’t journalists state openly what their opinion is and forthrightly tell the story as they see it? I ask only that story elements reported as fact be verifiable. I call it “Truth in Product Labeling” as related to the News Industry.

    Thanks for taking the time to read this. I’d really enjoy hearing your response.
    • mithrasinvictus, on 07/07/2008, -4/+22"state openly what their opinion is"? Is that what they meant by "fair and balanced"?

      Why should a judge even attempt to deliver a fair judgment? They should just get to rule however they feel. At least judge Judy makes no secret of her opinions, doesn't that make her a better judge?
      Why even bother eating health food, you'll ingest some bad stuff no matter how hard you try, might as well stick with mcDonalds, right?



    • mithrasinvictus, on 07/07/2008, -3/+24Did you even RTFA?

      "In a technique familiar to students of vintage German propaganda, his ears were pulled out, his teeth splayed apart, his forehead lowered and his nose was widened and enlarged in a way that made him look more like Fagin than the guy I work with."

      http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002
      • Veriander, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Did YOU read the article? The article that describes Fox's practice of stone-walling of competing journalists? Are you telling me that other news outlets don't do the same?

        If you actually read my email you'd see that I'm not a FOX apologist, rather, I suspect that most if not all news organizations are guilty of 'dirty tricks'.

        Did you notice that I said that I thought Mr. Car's article was fair??
    • CryRightardCry, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1Ladies and Gentlemen, the rightard moron.
      Yep, people like this are responsible for much of the problem.
      Unethical and immoral behavior on the part of Fox? WHO CARES!
      Attacking journalists rather than the points raised in the articles? Who cares!

      Seriously, you are a loser.
      People like you are the problem. You are EXACTLY the sort of ignorant person who THINKS they are not ignorant that Fox appeals to. You are EXACTLY the sort of person with little ethics who really doesn't care if you are supporting good and honest reporting, you just like the simple messages of Fox.

      Man, and on top of if you don't believe in objectivity? You prefer they just report the news based on their personal bias?
      You are a PERFECT rightard shill. Ignorant, unethical, and couldn't care less about trying to be better.

      Personally I find you repulsive. To actively cheer for the problem is asinine. You prove that you really DON'T CARE about honesty or the truth.
      Congratulations. How proud your family must be that you can't be bothered to stand up for something better.
      • Veriander, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1How can you read My email to Mr. Carr as a defense of Fox? I simply feel that all news organizations are down in the mud, too. I get my news from many varied sources and I feel Fox news actually presents most stories with less bias than the NYT. When is the last time you actually watched Fox News (as opposed to opinion shows like O'Reilly or Hannity)? Do you actually base your opinions on experience or are you just a Lefttard sheep?

        And no, I do not believe journalistic objectivity exists in the world today. I wish it did. Given that it doesn't exist (in my humble opinion) the next best thing would be for journalists to say up front how they feel about the issue they're reporting on.

        My opinion. Now, go ahead and call me more names.
    • Veriander, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1As promised, here's Mr. Carr's reply:

      From: carr2n@gmail.com [mailto:carr2n@gmail.com] On Behalf Of david carr
      Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:44 PM
      To: ****
      Subject: Re: Questions about "When News Is the Story" article

      ****,

      not sure if we want to live in a world full of opinion based journalism, but I loved reading yours. thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful note.

      david
  • jstohler, on 07/07/2008, -9/+34Why hasn't the media called Fox News on this ***** behavior in the past?
    • armoreddillo, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12Cause in one way or another most of the money is at the top of this pile of *****.

    • Pake, on 07/07/2008, -2/+4You call out one companies ***** and they'll call out yours. They might fight over ratings, but just like politicians, they won't go on the attack when they have something to hide as well.
    • ljfrench, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4A reporter will lose credibility if he calls foul and he's wrong. Plus, Fox News is apparently REALLY annoying...
    • JettaMan, on 07/08/2008, -6/+1Okay, so the entire Liberal media gangs up on Fox News since day one (yes, 4 against one or 100 against one is fair in the leftist mind) and now this story is showing how FOX NEWS is attacking reporters???!!! This is insane. Yes, Fox News is more right than other stations, but I hope at least a few people can see the unbalanced scales here.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/08/2008, -1/+1Sigh.
        Too bad you don't know what the ***** you are babbling about.
        Hey, maybe you should find out what you are talking about before pointing out you are clueless.
        If you bothered to pay attention you'd be aware of the numerous incidents of Fox's unethical and immoral fake reporting you'd see why people are screaming.
        Since you don't get it, I means you didn't pay attention.
        Or did you think you'd learn about Fox's failings from Fox?
        Next time read the article before proving you can't be bothered to actually pay attention.
  • Sanduu, on 07/07/2008, -6/+7MakiMaki, you might get attacked :D
  • tufftugg, on 07/07/2008, -7/+39 I guess Digg must drive Faux news insane then.
    • mithrasinvictus, on 07/07/2008, -3/+33I'd bet they are photoshopping digg to look like myspace right now.
    • tyho, on 07/08/2008, -10/+4Digg is a sandbox where kids play. No one comes here for serious discussion.

      Fox could care less about it.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1LOL
        Keep telling yourself that.

        All the rightards can do now is chant over and over "digg is just for kids, digg is just for kids".
        Guess what?
        MOST of digg is over 18, and can vote.
        Just because McCain fails to understand digg doesn't mean it's doesn't have more of an effect that many many other media outlets.
        Fox has the most UNINFORMED viewers in ever poll taken since 2003.
        So how is that "serious discussion" when most viewers don't understand or have the facts wrong on what's being discussed?
    • cdcr28, on 07/08/2008, -2/+2NO, this is such a big ***** mistake that all people make (along with attacking Fox for being conservatives [they're not] ) ... THEY LOVE WHEN PEOPLE TALK ***** ABOUT THEM! They are provocateurs, they love controversy, they love trolling. Digg is just a big viral marketing portal for them.

      Fox news is like the rap game in the mid 90s. They start beef with other news organizations in order to get attention. Some of the people working there might be some people who really believe in what they're beefing about, but in both of those situations there were some CEOs who could give a ***** about anything but the bottom line
  • armoreddillo, on 07/07/2008, -5/+19It's interesting to me, but not surprising, that throughout the article, Rupert Murdoch wasn't mentioned once.
    • rearlgrant, on 07/07/2008, -3/+7ROTFLMAO

      Best thing I've read in the past two days! This comment deserves front page.

      Thank you!
  • TheCash, on 07/07/2008, -32/+9Hmmm... NY Times attacking Fox for photo manipulation? Didn't USA Today do the exact same thing a few years ago? I think someone is desperate for attention and relevance so they don't have to fire more staff.

    http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/image/evilcondi

    I love the last paragraph of the Condi story that lists off several less then ethical photo manipulation practices, three of which the Times has been caught doing in the past.
  • Cuchanu, on 07/07/2008, -8/+22The people that watch Fox "news" don't care about this, if they did they would stopped watching a long time ago. You only have to watch for a few minutes to see it in action.

    But it could explain why their ratings have plateaued.
    • tyho, on 07/08/2008, -6/+4Yeah "plateaued" at #1.
      • Cuchanu, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2I didn't say they weren't number one. But O'Reilly recently began losing the "prime demographic" to Olbermann so maybe I should've said "peaked."
  • koalagirl, on 07/07/2008, -8/+10Thanks for the story...sadly none of it is surprising.
  • dracostimpy, on 07/07/2008, -11/+63Fox News... the Scientology of journalism!
    • zspade, on 07/08/2008, -2/+3I'll drink to that... Where's the kool-aid?

      Oh right, America already drank it all.
  • OC73, on 07/07/2008, -41/+6NY Times...buried.
    • wendelgee2, on 07/07/2008, -2/+17head...buried...up your own ass.
    • KaiserArny, on 07/08/2008, -2/+5OC73...buried
    • AeonTorpor, on 07/08/2008, -3/+2If i said "Darfur genocide", you can't just say "Hitler... Buried." You stupid *****.
  • chinaman1212, on 07/07/2008, -27/+3I love these Onion News articles. they are hilarious.
  • Retsep, on 07/07/2008, -38/+6Boo hoo, sounds like sour grapes to me.

    Hey NY Times, Fox is growing and you're shrinking...look at your content for the reason why.
    • jabberwolf, on 07/07/2008, -11/+4Shhhh NT times has trolls that go through Digg. They are so bored and have so little real reporting, they just surf the net all day!
    • sideffects, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3Digg is getting way too liberal for me. The New York Times is, of course, going to come out with a bs story about Fox News because that's how liberal agenda's work: attack people who oppose you.

      Go ahead and bury me.
      • fuse13, on 07/08/2008, -1/+1...and that differs from what fox is doing... umm... how?
      • zombies187, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Fox is the opposite of attacks?
  • charmaniac, on 07/07/2008, -8/+25We only have ourselves to blame. Fox News is still the #1 rated cable news program. However, It looks like Rupert Murdoch has lost his touch. The Fox Business network has been a complete failure.

    All of the news organizations have been pathetic the last decade, essentially rubber stamping the Iraq war when Saddam had NOTHING to do with terrorism.

    He said, she said ***** stories have driven the media into the ground. Now, they are going out of business right and left because they traded their long term credibility (a news organizations most valuable asset) for short term profits. They all get what they deserve.
    • jabberwolf, on 07/07/2008, -2/+4They are still #1 - are they getting what they deserve ?
  • Tippx, on 07/07/2008, -11/+3even better this is written by david carr, greatest quarterback in Texans history.
  • Genrre, on 07/07/2008, -18/+1I am getting tired of the Fox News - NY Times bitch fight that seems to go on continuously.
  • stonedthot, on 07/07/2008, -2/+4Is anyone else getting the "for free access to this article and more you have to be a registered member of NYTimes.com"?
    • BillDoE, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4Delete your www.nytimes.com cookies and it will let you in. I got tired of bugmenot not working.
  • JBmtk, on 07/07/2008, -9/+11To: Feedback@foxnews.com
    From: xxxxxxx
    Subject: I love biased news too!

    Why does your whole corporation gargle out biased *****?

    Regards,
    Educated People
  • peligro666, on 07/07/2008, -8/+10"Fair and Balanced" (tm) only applies if you're a Republican. Still fun to watch Bill-O wave his fist and quote 'declining readership' statistics at his viewers.
  • la7dfa, on 07/07/2008, -8/+11Strange how biased FOX can be and still call themselves fair and balanced...
    Strange how the US use torture while other countries not even using the same methods are called terrorists and rag tag armies...
    Dressing someone up in white or blue uniforms does not mean they can use water boarding on enemies and get away with it - or?
    I hope G.W. Bush 3 wont get elected. We have had enough nasty mix of religion & wars for a while now.
    • Retsep, on 07/07/2008, -10/+2If you think that the NY Times, CNN, NBC, CBS, etc are not biased the other way you're a fool.

      Also, we waterboarded 3 people...get over it, it's not that big of a deal. I don't recall us beheading any prisoners.
      • DanMiller, on 07/08/2008, -0/+33 people that you know of. We practice rendition, which gives the appearance of our hands being clean. Somehow I think that if you were one of the people subjected to these practices you might have a problem with it.

        Also, I would be interested if you could give some examples as blatant as the many, many, many Fox News blunders. "Terrorist Fist Bump"? Altering the faces of people who don't like your organization? Perhaps you should take a long look and recognize the difference between editorial and blatant political sabotage at the hands of a new organization feigning truth and balance.
  • bclinton, on 07/07/2008, -13/+5FOX NEWS: How stupid ass liberal DIGG users believe this *****. News at 10.
    • fuse13, on 07/08/2008, -1/+0You eat what FOX serves you and think it is yummy.
  • WSPanic201, on 07/07/2008, -5/+11Shut up! I said SHUT UP! (looks off camera) OK OK CUT HIS MIC. CUT HIS MIC! Then after they cut his/her microphone, Relentless jab after relentless jab.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIVnwYGU9Qo
  • TheSwashbuckler, on 07/07/2008, -7/+26They aren't a news channel, they're the propaganda arm of the Republican Party...
  • zebco, on 07/07/2008, -6/+19I don't even give a ***** anymore. I used to have a digg account and I'd spend 20 hours per day on here talking about what's right, what's wrong and trying to figure out why the people just can't see the difference. At this point, the powers that be can have this ***** country...the worthless dollar (which they've helped to make worthless for a reason), the non-existant insurance coverage that the middle class have, the outrageously expensive gasoline, the failing infrastructure, the endless, continual wars, the recessed economy, the rising unemployment figures, the fact that people defend the unemployment figures even though that for every ***** job lost, any job created pays about half as much as the other job, the fact that our education system can't seem to teach kids ANYTHING at this point and the fact that nobody seems to mind that kids 'speek n text lyke this r u listnin to ME/ ;•(. What a ***** joke this world has become, specifically this country.
    Fox News? Most likely the very beginnings of the anti-christ but again, who the ***** cares at this point? We know what they do, we know their game but we also know that Americans lap it up like it's the manna of life itself. So ***** it.
    You guys can have it all...I'm done defending the people in this country who prove every day to me that they more than deserve exactly what they've received and what they will eventually get when the whole game plays out.
    Such a hoax.
    • Retsep, on 07/07/2008, -10/+2Now that's the defeatist anti-American liberal attitude we all know. Why not move to Canada if you are so unhappy? I'm sick of my tax dollars paying for your food stamps.
      • crazy0, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2im sure you're more content with your tax dollars going to corporate handouts, and the various industry complexes right...oh i forgot the media taught you that its social welfare programs that are ruining our economy...why dont you go suck a nut
      • spudhead, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Nice work with the stereotypes and buzzwords. You forgot to use "elitist."
      • fuse13, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1You are sick of paying tax? Why dont you move to Canada?
    • crazy0, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4I feel you man, you cant save everyone....ignorance will not be an excuse I assure you....worry about yourself and those in your sphere of influence....fack everyone else seriously
    • enri, on 07/08/2008, -0/+5No one has meaningful discussions on the internet (especially on Digg). People are attracted to sites/articles that reinforce their existing opinions. We make "hit-and-run" comments then we're onto the next stimulus.

      If you want to make a difference please go outside and do something positive in your community. Politely share your opinions with others and your good deeds will encourage others to consider what you've discussed with them.
    • JBmtk, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4I agree with enri and zebco. You can digg up stories and write on your blogs..but the outside people only see actions and not your words hidden away on the internet on some website. The infastructure if failing because it is a trait of mankind. Most people, given the oppurtunity of money and power, will do whatever it takes which is to lie, cheat, and hurt (politics, in a nutshell).

      I try to stay away from politics because you cannot win and it only makes me mad and depressed. A clear sign of a countries deterioration is its education system..which America is failing HORRIBLY at. The next generation of kids will become even more ignorant and will easily succumb to tactics that FOX news employs. I think this will happen sooner than everyone thinks....a looming slippery-slope predicament.
  • jabberwolf, on 07/07/2008, -10/+4Sadly they attack the reporters that done report ALL the facts.
    So when is giving all the facts and pointing out that a reporter doesn't (cough OLBERMANN!!!) attacking?

    Is OLBERMANN gonna state again he beat Oreilly... in a smaller specific demographic? Or will be pick a different demographic today?
    (even if the total tally stomps all over OLBERMANN's ratings)

    WOW FACTS ARE ATTACKING... BOOHOOO!!

    Unlike this article "The accompanying photographs were heavily altered, although the audience was probably none the wiser. "
    If there were any doctoring, Fox would get sued, there would be something but there was and is not.

    Now if this is a claim, "The accompanying photographs were heavily altered, " is liabous if not true and THIS reporter can get sued. Even if this is an opinion blog.
    • FrenchAnarchy, on 07/08/2008, -4/+1"that done report"

      Execellent grammar there, Chief.
      • VileTimes, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2Execellent sepeling there, self-owning pedant.
      • semrocks, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2"Execellent grammar there, Chief."
        You just pwned yourself, moron....or should I spell it so you'll understand it...moran...
    • alex98101, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2"If there were any doctoring, Fox would get sued, there would be something but there was and is not."

      Are you fcking serious? When they imply that Fox News viewers are generally uneducated, they apparently don't just mean that you didn't go to school--they also mean, didn't get the facts. Click a link or two before the 'Reply' link.

      http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002
  • stinkymonkey, on 07/07/2008, -7/+1THIS IS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • davidg11, on 07/08/2008, -8/+3Gee, another top digg story about how fox news sucks or misleads or lies or kills babies.

    We get it people. You hate Fox News. And yet, you apparently still watch it. So I have to ask: WHY?
    Would it not be far simpler to switch the TV station you are watching?
    Would it not be far simpler to turn off your TV and go outside?
    Get lives people. Stop watching Fox News or any news 24 hours a day just so you can come up with stories of how awful it is.
    More liberals watch Fox News more than any other news channel apparently.
    • DrVermin, on 07/08/2008, -2/+2They *don't* watch it. They don't need to!

      The most rabid haters of Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Fox News, etc. have usually never seen/heard/read any of their material. But the haters know that these evil folk have [gasp] *different opinions* about things than the haters do, and therefore MUST BE SILENCED!

  • rslicke, on 07/08/2008, -9/+3Wow! Who would've thought it. A left wing paper reporting on a right wing news channel. What did we expect? Sweet smells and flowers?
  • bmac12, on 07/08/2008, -2/+8Altered photos: http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002

    The link is already there within the article, but for those didn't realize it (like me at first), there you have it.
  • davidg11, on 07/08/2008, -12/+7I think what gets liberals is just how popular fox news is.
    They don't get it and it angers them so much they spend all day writing about it.
    I find that amusing. More importantly, Fox News finds it amusing.
    And that just angers liberals more.
    A vicious cycle which will never end.
    • danws, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Jan 20, 2009
    • fuse13, on 07/08/2008, -2/+1Why do conservatives constantly harp back to annoying liberals? What a sad pathetic position to hold. Maybe you should try believing in something instead of positioning yourself against whatever it is liberals believe. Maybe you should put your country before "being right".

      I often hear that Liberals are "hate filled", but the conservatives are the ones with the big media, books, pundits who always talk about what? Liberals. Fox spends MORE TIME talking about liberals than liberals spend talking about fox news.
  • mitch77, on 07/08/2008, -9/+9THe author must be really realy ignorant of the history of the other major news media sources. They have played this game forever and they are really murderous to those on the right. A little bit of reading and some history of the facts brings a great deal of perspective to these OMG moments.
  • chrissku, on 07/08/2008, -10/+3This story has been on the front page around 4 times now......however I'm not complaining. I am willing to digg it 50 more times. Whatever it takes to expose Faux News for the ***** "journalist" they are.
  • mitch77, on 07/08/2008, -10/+2Before you decide this is too terribly outrageous,
    watch the actual FOX report on what these 2 jerks have been up to.
    Want to fight dirty then whine about getting slammed....
    Liberal sissies.....

    Upper right of page.
    http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002
    • richard2, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4I have a far better idea: read the article which caused the recent hostility between Fox News and the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/arts/television/ ... and decide for yourself whether Fox New's actions were justified.

      Although, I don't think you will, Mitch, because you're afraid of digesting anything which could potentially conflict with your distorted view of the world.
  • TritonX, on 07/08/2008, -4/+6Fox as any other media is not interested in fairness or the truth, all they want is good stories to tell their audience.
  • newsdigg007, on 07/08/2008, -7/+0Did Rupert Murdoch scare David Carr's mother when she was pregnant with him?
  • mogebier, on 07/08/2008, -11/+2What a baby. He sounds like a little 5 year-old who isn't getting his way. Boo ***** Hoo.
  • wiachy, on 07/08/2008, -8/+3wow you ***** liberals making a big deal about fox attacking other people when pretty much everyone and their anchor baby hates on fox. STFU
  • gordonrp, on 07/08/2008, -4/+5Get more real news from Jerry Springer than fox "news".
  • DrVermin, on 07/08/2008, -9/+3...as the NYT attacks the reporters that *it* doesn't like. How very yawn.

    All the headline has to be is "Fox News! AAAAAHH!", and the story will get the exact same comments, regardless of content. Think about why you hate FN so much, hippies... cuz they're right and deep down you know it.

    Knee, meet jerk.
  • YodaJones, on 07/08/2008, -3/+6Fox News: More impotent lying ***** per hour than any other news network.
  • LibertyVista, on 07/08/2008, -4/+3The NYT has been reduced to occasional treasonous revelations of state secrets, and actively gaming digg for attention.
  • semrocks, on 07/08/2008, -3/+2People still read the NY Times?
    The way they're going, they'll be dead within 5 years.
    They've been partisan hacks for a long time. Funny to hear them call others out for being the same...
  • waggdogg, on 07/08/2008, -2/+2So this is how they became number one. I thought only Democrats did this.
  • zimmi88, on 07/08/2008, -1/+0Fox News is ridiculous. To be honest, I find it kind of funny sometimes when I hear one of their stories because they're just so ridiculous (see Mass Effect and the "SexBox"). That said, it's a sad scenario because there are people out there that believe many of the more ridiculous stories. I think I'd be more in support of Fox News if they weren't so blatantly biased. I mean, I know it's hard to present news in an objective manner, but it seems they don't even try to maintain objectivity.

    As far as I'm concerned, if other news markets can't get along with Fox News, maybe they shouldn't bother communicating with them in the first place.
  • JHB800, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2Wait, so that means FoxNews actually shares a trait with 90% of the people on Digg, and most of the people who identify themselves as 'extremely liberal'?

    I don't care who you are, attacking people that you disagree with is disgusting and wrong. (that goes for both left and right) If you can't logically and thoughtfully defend your position, shut your mouth and walk away. Its as simple as that.
  • fuse13, on 07/08/2008, -0/+0Question for all the people defending Fox News... are you saying it is OK to respond to an article about them by personally attacking the author? Why didnt they respond to the actual article?
  • XenonofArcticus, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Plug: I did an image analysis of what Fox did to Steinberg & Reddicliffe:
    http://digg.com/television/When_Fox_Attacks_Steinb ...
  • mbhp, on 07/08/2008, -1/+1Buried... political crap in the business section. Would be nice if there was a digg without politically biased garbage. Yes, I unchecked all the political boxes. I think the real solution is that Digg needs a new competitor. :)
  • pardonmedoug, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3David Carr, THANK YOU for writing this story. Good luck.
  • Yage2006, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2All this spurred on by the douchbags who watch it.
    They are the real problem if you get rid of the demand for foxnews then foxnews will go away .
  • sexydarin, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2That's what the nyt and all the leftist media do all the time. HYPOCRITES!
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