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- butterflyperson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3lavajin:
What, and police just happen to show up without a report or some kind of call being made? LJ gets a lot of reports, and most of those reports have been ignored in the interest of the 'ideal of freedom of expression' or whatever other excuse they have that they now apply to some forms of 'harm' and not others, because obviously LJ has no such 'ideal'. Until now LJ has been fairly hands-off; now that they've decided they won't be, they need to stop reverting to old ways for things that hurt people but don't squick them quite as much.
Like I said: If they will police some, they've got to police all, otherwise no one will shut up about this. - nightangelca, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Thank you for submitting this. I had been irritated and frustrated by the way that LJ/6A had been conducting itself recently, but this incident (along with reports of other things that LJ apparently doesn't think of as being worth taking action over -- since their use of their TOS in recent months showed that they are not hands-off about all things, there is the implication that they *do* approve of the things that they choose to allow) leaves me absolutely aghast.
- ladylynx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Even worse, she's trying to defend herself in stupid_free
http://community.livejournal.com/stupid_free/657043.html?thread=96592531#t96592531
People are telling her to step away from the keyboard, but girl has a hard head. - butterflyperson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3mdwh:
Basically, if they're going to start policing some of the content, they're going to have to police it all. Either they remain hands off unless there's official, outside cease-and-desist orders (and if there already has been, they need to be far more open about it), or they police everything across the board. And people aren't going to shut up until they do, no matter who gets drug into it. Quite frankly, we'd hope that LJ would be able to tell an actual support group apart from the other groups that quite blatantly state 'if you're here to recover, you're not welcome'. And more than that, I trust the LJ community to jump up in arms if LJ fails to make this distinction. - butterflyperson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2http://news.livejournal.com/100331.html?thread=62408171#t62408171
LiveJournal won't get rid of pro-ana sites because, "Ultimately, these communities are, much like other communities within LiveJournal, protected by the ideal of freedom of expression."
... - mdwh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't support actual pro-anorexia at all - but I would be very worried if LJ started clamping down on them, for a variety of reasons (e.g., mistakingly including non-pro sites).
The real confusion is why this campaign is being waged by some fanfictioners who were annoyed by the recent Harry Potter porn bans. Whether these communities are right or wrong is not the point - I thought the viewpoint was that LJ shouldn't be banning things (especially without warning) unless they are illegal. Now it will come across like people only care about the Harry Potter porn...
If we don't trust LJ to judge what is child porn or not, how do we expect them to get it right with complex issues like eating disorder communities? I'm genuinely confused as to the point of this campaign... - ladylynx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Oh, go starve yourself.
- Pingspike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2pro-anorexia is pro-harm, god damn that coffee person is a stupid sonovabish, ignorant and arrogant too. I'm astounded, truly.
- angrygrrl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Because young women starving themselves to death is for real, while Harry/Snape erotic art is just "gay." Thanks for making your position clear, LJ/6A. Think I'll be taking my money elsewhere.
- quinctia, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Any group that encourages people to follow the 1-2-3 diet (that's alternating 300/200/100 calories a DAY) or call mental disorders by pet names like "ana" and "mia" is NOT a support group.
- Bladespark42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2They should have fired burr86 after he posted (also from his official journal) comments mocking his own customers. Blowing off steam is one thing. Publicly and officially blowing off steam is another. But no, lj made excuses for him. They didn't even require him to apologize. "No on is perfect" is all they had to say about it. I HIGHLY doubt that they'll give coffeechica anything worse than a slap on that hand, if that.
- sharkwing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The thing I found most offensive was the way that the spokeswoman called people pursuing anorexia "aspiring to be thin." It is not aspiring to be thin; it is aspiring to be skeletal. Her failure to recognise anorexia as harmful just supports the mindset that these sufferers are actually healthy people who merely want to look healthy, not people who are suffering from a disorder. Nice stance there, LJ.
- sharkwing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2It came out in the latest discussion in LJ biz. It was picked up primarily because it's absolutely mind-boggling, but this is another example of SixApart's total lack of logic when it comes to what is and is not allowed. Their excuse for suspending a slew of journals with questionable keywords, such as "incest," was that they were "PROTECTING THE CHILDREN." (Caps mine, but you get the idea. And btw, they caught five survivor journals in that while they were at it.) The illogic, including the fact that nobody can raise an eyebrow at a suspended journal and report it to authorities, and also that you cannot protect a child from incest by deleting an LJ, struck everyone except, apparently, SixApart.
And now artwork that appears to depict adults is removed FOR THE CHILDREN because it might, possibly, somewhere, have an invisible minor in it. . . but comms that encourage adolescents to harm themselves are actually referred to in language that makes it sound like the woman speaking for SixApart at the time ENDORSED them. (". . . aspire to be thin. . .")
The reason we're in it is that SixApart is harming people who use its site. That many of us also write porn does not matter. - roguebelle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yes, these communities are support groups. Supporting their members right into the grave.
The epic fail continues, LJ. - chaobell, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2coffeechica confirms more than once that she does know what pro-ana is and that she is speaking officially and on behalf of LJ/6A in these comments. Absolutely sickening.
- ladylynx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yeah. In general, I just feel like since the loss of Brad, LiveJournal has completely lost its sensibilities. I really, truly hope that SA has the sense to fire coffeechica after this incident. It is the only, only way they can mend this situation. Another blog post apologizing about their stupid just doesn't cut it anymore.
And just to emphasize, I'm not even touching the whole fandom situation. It's the anorexia part that pisses me the hell off. - quinctia, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I've been a member of a community on LJ against these types of communities--just speaking out, mind you--for years. I could accept LJ not terminating them, because of their general "hands-off," laissez-faire abuse policy. However, since they've decided to police content, I think they ought to begin with what's really harmful. :(
- thevelvetsun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Good going submitting this. It really needs to be addressed.
- egalite, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Except that the pro-eating disorder communities have been reported over and over and over again, with the response given in the OP.
- eclipsedsky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I reported a community that clearly supported anorexia and the response that I received in short was, we know they exist and we think they help people (even though they have had many people give them links to studies which clearly show that people who are in the communities are sicker longer.) then they went on further to say that if I didn't want to see things like that then I should avoid it. So people who don't want to see fan art are invited to report it and get people suspended but if its for real people well its freedom of speech and I should avoid it.
- maryamrose, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I absolutely agree. Also, comments by a LJ staff member speaking officially refer to anorexics as merely people "aspiring to be thin" are just outrageous.
- egalite, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yeah, I was peeved about the whole fandom thing, but when I found out that LJ management *knows* what's in the pro-eating disorder communities and still takes the position they do (that they are a good thing and don't harm the members), that's when I decided I had to be more active about this. coffeechica or whoever the spokeswoman is said that the pro-anorexic community is just aspiring to be thin. Right, so my senior year of college, when I read those comms every day, and all I ate was a piece of fruit and a slimfast a day... oh, that was just aspiring to be thin. That wasn't a mental disorder. That was just a diet, right?
Honestly, I'm not so concerned about fandom - about imaginary, fictional characters. They will live on in their fantasyland. But real, live, breathing, blood-pumping, non-food-eating teenagers are in danger every freaking day because LJ admin apparently doesn't take their problems seriously. - miemiemi, on 01/22/2009, -0/+0Indeed, people suffering from anorexia actually have a mental problem. They should really see an specialist in the area and I think that they will get the perfect help.__________<a rel="follow" href="http://www.therealarticles.com/Article/Alcohol-Reh ... Rehabs</a>
- lavajin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1They have the ljabuse system set up so that people can report things they find offensive. They don't police any one particular thing over any other, they look at what is reported to them.
- ladylynx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1By actually having the right people on their abuse team and their PR, that actually pay attention to abuse reports that are sent to them? Either people are underworking or SA is understaffed, because I can't think of many jobs where this type of approach is allowed time and time again.
- zodiacstargazer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I am furious about this AND fandom. I doubt any amount of Zen can calm me right now. How could LJ condone slow and steady suicide by willing starvation? Are they just that stupid?
- chaobell, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1And this has...what to do with the topic at hand, exactly?
- momodee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0"Because young women starving themselves to death is for real, while Harry/Snape erotic art is just "gay."
Amen. - soletanf, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I agree that LJ's stance on proana communities is outrageous; however, I don't agree that coffeechica could be fired. She was simply communicating LJ/6A's official stance that they've had for years. I don't want to help create a climate where LJ staff refuse to talk to us except through official memos posted to their news communities. I'm glad they were trying to talk to us at least, even if they flubbed up.
- soletanf, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0(Oops, this posted twice.)
- lavajin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0Hey guess what, lj can do what they want. If they don't want graphic dep[ictions of underage sex on their site, they don't have to allow it. So GET OVER IT!
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