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- Myonosken, on 01/13/2009, -14/+212Oh I get it, they remove DRM so we need another reason to bitch about why we aren't legally downloading it .
For god's sakes, if you're going to pirate it have some balls and just come clean its because you want it for free. I personally do download it legally generally, however I will occasionaly download it illegaly when I can't afford it.
Is it wrong? yes. And I fully acknowledge that. I don't make up excuse after excuse for my actions. - djtyrant, on 01/13/2009, -39/+196Why is this even a problem? Don't share your music illegally, simple as that.
- djphatjive, on 01/13/2009, -5/+132Weird, Its like they still don't want you to share your music with the world.
- StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -8/+92So, you're complaining that they can find out that you violated copyright?
I thought the whole "we don't want DRM" argument was that it treated legal customers as thieves and stopped them doing fair use things like using it on multiple devices.
Now you're saying you should have the right to anonymously do the single thing DRM was designed to prevent (ineffectual as it is). - Wargala, on 01/13/2009, -4/+64This is Digg. Personal responsibility hasn't reared it's head around here in a very long time.
- nicc, on 01/13/2009, -0/+43why is this only a problem now when they have been doing it ever since they came out with iTunes+ a couple of years ago?
it's not exactly been a secret... - inactive, on 01/13/2009, -11/+54Thank you for mentioning that. Digg has gotten way out of hand lately thinking all intellectual property is free. Besides, email is hardly a way of identification and anyone that has any type of computer experience can tell you how easily emails can be compromised.
- louse101, on 01/13/2009, -6/+47The hundreds of millions of people who'd like music in the future.
- StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -2/+41It's a lot easier to see your email address in the file when you right click->info and look at it right there in the info pane in iTunes. It's not like they're hiding this.
EDIT: Changing my email address to sjobs@apple.com in BBEdit and saving broke it very badly. Best not to try. - meruru, on 01/13/2009, -0/+35No, personal responsibility is popular around here but only when applied to other people
- tetsuo29, on 01/12/2009, -3/+38The article points out how to see your email address in a .m4a file using a text editor, but it doesn't specify whether or not that can be safely modified with a text editor? I wish I had one to try it with. Anyone care to give it a whirl (on a backup copy of your .m4a file, of course) and report back?
- Cyhwuhx, on 01/13/2009, -5/+31.::: Alternatively: right-click the music track in iTunes and select Get Info to see the associated email-address.
No, you can not edit it. But why would you? It's your music, so it has your account-info there. I fail to see how this is wrong... - ljames28, on 01/13/2009, -5/+28"I will occasionaly download it illegaly when I can't afford it."
I thought you don't make up excuses... - spook73, on 01/13/2009, -8/+29Personally, I like iTunes.
Just saying. - EasyTigerDon, on 01/13/2009, -14/+35I've bought a lot of music from iTunes in the past and it's going to cost me £55 to 'upgrade' to DRM-less tunes. ***** that, not buying from Apple again, I've already paid for it.
- StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -2/+21Errr, what? How is putting the email address you used to BUY your music dictating what you do. They have no authority over you, having your email address in the file is not *trying* to have any authority over you.
- inactive, on 01/13/2009, -2/+20This story is extremely old --- when iTunes+ first appeared, these stories ran. What part of the terms and conditions of using the iTunes Music Store are y'all not familiar with? You accepted all of it if you bought anything from the iTunes Music Store. This "privacy" whinging is pathetic. When you sign agreements abridging your privacy rights, it's stupid to moan about what privacy rights you signed away.
Bury this nonsense -- it's neither news nor interesting. - daeken, on 01/14/2009, -0/+16@elrac:
1) These files have no DRM
2) In Fairplay, the user ID (number) is used as a factor of the crypto, but the email isn't involved in the least.
(I'm the original author of PyTunes (precursor to PyMusique) and El Tunes -- done my share of work with Fairplay) - SupaFlyTNT, on 01/13/2009, -3/+19I don't think it should have personally identifiable information if it's DRM free; what if someone robs your laptop and then shares all of that music with the world; now you have to be liable for the 20,000 songs that someone stole from you? Seems a bit unfair to me.
- StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -6/+19And the music still plays, exactly as it did before. You were happy enough to buy it with DRM, nothing has changed with the music you already bought. If you don't want to unDRM it then don't, it'll work just as it did when you agreed to the T&Cs
- brundlefly76, on 01/14/2009, -0/+13Two words: Amazon MP3
They watermark the tracks as coming from Amazon, but not who purchased them. - inactive, on 01/13/2009, -0/+12Why is it that articles submitted in the "Apple" category of Digg always receive anti-pirate comments, yet articles submitted in Tech Industry News feature comments that are pro-pirate?
- timusca, on 01/13/2009, -2/+14Not really... you purchased your DRM'd music as-is for an agreed upon price. Is the DRM version better? Then you're paying extra for a better version.
It'd be like buying a 2006 Jeep Wrangler and then complaining that the 2007 redesigned model is better and you don't get the upgrade for free.
I'm sure you'll argue that there's a difference between physical property and a bunch of bits of data. So let's try this...
Would you argue that you shouldn't have to pay for Mac OS 10.6 because you already own Mac OS 10.5? 10.6 will be a better product and more efficient without much more other features. But I'm guessing you would assume you'd have to pay for it since it is an UPGRADED version, even though it will cost the same amount as 10.5 did when it first came out.
Simple as that. You're thinking about it far to literally... just because some bits of data are stripped out, doesn't mean you should get it for free. - KSUdesigner, on 01/13/2009, -1/+13You people bitch about DRM then you bitch when it's removed. You can't have it both ways. How is Apple taking "authority over an individual" here? Because they embed your email address in the file? What harm does that cause you if you don't let your files get out to the public? It's illegal to put the files onto a P2P network, and if you put them on there that's your own stupidity, not Apple's authority.
- GIJosh, on 01/13/2009, -2/+14Buy VINYL.
- Aleman360, on 01/13/2009, -4/+16Since when is it your civil liberty to not have your contact information in your song file tags?
- magus824, on 01/13/2009, -0/+11No, I believe he's implying that it takes money to begin with to even be able to create music; costs of instruments, recording equipment, mixing equipment, etc. do add up.
- MacParrot, on 01/13/2009, -4/+15So don't upgrade it. It will still play just fine in any authorized (ie: authorized by you so any iPods and up to 5 computers) devices. The only benefit is that it's at a higher bit-rate and no longer DRMed. What I find objectionable is that it's an all or nothing kind of thing. Maybe you can't afford to do them all at one time and would like to gradually change them over. Some way to do this would be nice.
- darkism, on 01/13/2009, -0/+11Use a hex editor and replace exactly the same number of bytes.
- UnWeave, on 01/13/2009, -2/+13At last, the voice of reason.
- MacParrot, on 01/13/2009, -1/+11um...unless you're offering those song up to torrent sites why do you care? Like it or not while Apple is the biggest digital music store, they don't own the songs offered up for sale. In order to get rid of DRM they had to make compromises to the content copyright holders. They had to go to tiered pricing (which they resisted for about as long as they could as Apple felt that having everything at one price made it easier for everyone) which means new stuff will be $1.29 older stuff .99 and back catalogs will generally be .69. They also compromised on including personal information embedded in each track. Unless you share your content with others, you have nothing to worry about.
No DRM means you can now put anything from iTunes on any device that supports AAC (which is most of the better ones). Maybe you'd prefer DRM so you'd have something more concrete to complain about? - RetepNamenots, on 01/13/2009, -4/+14Same, it's a ***** joke.
- simX, on 01/13/2009, -7/+17*****' A, YES WE KNEW THAT OUR ACCOUNT INFO IS STORED INSIDE EACH AND EVERY FILE.
This is not news. This has been the case since the iTunes Store first came out, and it made the non-news again when iTunes Plus first came out. Jeebus, you'd think everybody in the tech world was ***** RETARDED or something. - Braxo, on 01/13/2009, -1/+11I'm confused too. The file you have can be played anywhere you want it to play. Your email address being linked to the file won't stop it from being played how you want it too.
How do they have authority over you? I wanted no DRM so I could play the songs I purchased on my Blackberry, now I can. It wasn't that I didn't want DRM so I could just blatantly ignore the copyright. - cheddar, on 01/13/2009, -0/+9You could probably use a hex editor then to change it and not corrupt the audio.
- Myonosken, on 01/13/2009, -3/+12Thats not an excuse, its a fact.
- inactive, on 01/14/2009, -0/+9OMG you mean they're trying to prevent piracy of the music they're selling even without using DRM? Unfathomable! Yes, your account info is embedded in the music you purchase from the itunes store. If you don't post the songs on p2p then you have nothing to worry about. There's still nothing stopping you from making mix CDs, so chill the ***** out.
- StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -2/+11Since when was Apple forcing you to buy music from them? Get over yourself.
- RetepNamenots, on 01/13/2009, -2/+11People who want to give something back to artists who have spent time creating music that they enjoy?
- MacParrot, on 01/13/2009, -1/+10If you don't share your music exactly who would see it besides you?
- Macintoshreader, on 01/13/2009, -1/+10iTunes has better quality music and a bigger selection.
256kbps AAC>256kbps MP3 - Paulish, on 01/13/2009, -0/+8What if you share a song with a friend who then shares it with a friend or puts it on a P2P network or something?
Not that I support doing that sort of stuff anyways. - inactive, on 01/13/2009, -1/+9No problem. I changed the name and email address in vi and the song still works well. (This is on Taylor Swift's Love Story btw... don't judge, I bought it just to test this on)
Note, however, that you'll near to use vi or something similar because most GUI editors will reformat stuff and ruin the file. - Lockhart1, on 01/13/2009, -3/+11Well said. People who break the law and know they are doing wrong don't bug me nearly as much as people who break the law and try to justify it. Pirates aren't martyrs they're thieves.
- louse101, on 01/12/2009, -1/+9Good point, but you won't be able to. Editing the file and resaving would corrupt the audio data. The article only mentions reading the file, and doing so won't harm the data.
- logandurand, on 01/14/2009, -0/+7You aren't buying a "copy" of the music, but really a license to listen to it, a license that is likely non-transferable.
- louse101, on 01/13/2009, -0/+7No.
- Refrag, on 01/13/2009, -0/+6But then you're missing out on the higher sound quality you get from iTunes Plus.
- renegadeafk, on 01/13/2009, -0/+6you lose quality by transcoding lossy formats like that.
- timusca, on 01/13/2009, -1/+7@Stingwolf
If you ordered it knowing damn well it would come with spit, you'd deserve to be charged more. There's a big difference. -
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