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- SpanishBrowne, on 10/11/2007, -16/+115I'd have to agree - if Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola pulled something like this, we'd all be screaming bloody murder. Hell, I've got a Mac Mini and a 5g iPod, but I don't have an iTunes account - nor do I want one (and I certainly don't want to "have to need" one).
- sishgupta, on 10/11/2007, -34/+96Regardless, I would prefer to be able to own for that $500 dollars without being locked down to anything extra.
The iPhone becomes less appealing every day. This "feature" is rather small but it is just adding to pretty tall mountain of reasons not to buy the phone. - NJPENSO, on 10/11/2007, -24/+83lordtyros
Technically it shouldn't REQUIRE anything...it's supposed to be a ***** phone, remember? - MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -15/+71"Apple is the new Microsoft"
I do believe that every Microsoft phone OS we've seen has had a really really good SDK, and embraced 3rd party support. - andydumi, on 10/11/2007, -12/+50Its one thing to need an account for firmware, its another to need it to set up the phone to begin with. Many people buy the phone and never change the firmware, it should be rock solid day one.
I have an inkling that Itunes will be "required" for most functions of this phone, including media transfer. Which will only make Itunes even more bloated, and even slower for everyone. - NJPENSO, on 10/11/2007, -17/+54When I dish out 500$ and sign a contract with AT&T (I think that's the company?) I'm buying a phone, yes it's a phone with an assload of features, but it's still a phone. Why do I NEED to plug it into my computer at all? If I don't want to use the 'ipod' part of the product (hell, even if i DO want to use it), then i shouldn't I have to sign up for itunes; there's just no reason for it.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+40poor future windows 98 iphone owners
edit: poor windows 98 owners in general - ocellnuri, on 10/11/2007, -6/+37You're not buying a phone with an iPod in it... it's really an iPod with a phone in it. Apple's just marketing it backwards.
- paulmike3, on 10/11/2007, -55/+84Who drops $500 on the latest Apple gadget and doesn't have an iTunes account?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+37I think this is a mistake on Apple's part. Many people may want the nice mobile phone but may not have a computer or want to install itunes. While I have a computer... I do not use iTunes... nor do I want to.
The other issue is people who use Linux. What are they supposed to do?
Apple should rethink this or come out with an 'online version' of iTunes... that does not need installation. - rebrad, on 10/11/2007, -10/+32I can hear the giant sucking sound now. An expensive money pit that constantly needs a recharge. Apple is the new AT&T.
- kheldorin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23People can't help it. The iPhone is the Paris Hilton of the geek world.
- phantom_mullet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21Am I the only one who sees the iPhone (at least initially) as a huge "bandwagon" sort of deal. I mean it seems that "everyone" wants one, and Apple can essentially force eager consumers to jump through all these hoops just to get this prized product. I see it as a HUGE marketing campaign capitalizing on the loyalty of many regular Apple customers and cashing in on this loyalty. For one, Apple can make a boatload from at&t just from their new customers and, while it seems the whole iTunes account may not be a huge deal, Apple will eventually allow customers to purchase iTunes tracks easily from their iPhones and iTunes Store will become an even bigger cash cow.
It really is genius on Apple's part, but for now, I'm not buying it. (no pun intended) - prisoner24601, on 10/11/2007, -13/+30@ paulmike3
"Who drops $500 on the latest Apple gadget and doesn't have an iTunes account?"
Me. I love my Nano and hate iTunes with a passion. I only use SharePod and I don't care what feature the iPhone has, there's NO way I'm using that bloated program on my desktop. Windows Media Player 11 does everything I need (which is just one single thing: play mp3's) so why should I install another media player to do what my desktop already does without it? Just to make Steve Jobs happy?
I'm glad that iTunes is a good solution for many of you. Honestly, no sarcasm there. But it's fairly bizarre that there are so many iTunes users who think the rest of us should "convert" to your choice when we are perfectly happy without it. - Nocterminus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17If it doesn't work out of the box without alot of BS hidden catches, I don't want it. There are plenty of other products out there.
- noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -24/+38Jesus christ! You people bitched and bitched and bitched about the ***** iPhone rumors then when the damned thing comes out you bitch and bitch about every single aspect of it. If you don't want it shut the hell up and quit bitching about it. Go buy whatever damned phone you want and shut the hell up! It is pathetic for you all to obsess over percieved flaws with a device you don't want anyway.
- prisoner24601, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15@ cozinator
"You're concerned about bloatware, but run Windows Media Player just to play mp3s?"
Uh, if you are on Windows XP, you get WMP "like it or not." As much as some people will bash Microsoft for no reason at all, personally I try to bash them only when they actually do something particularly stupid. You might hate WMP, and you are free to. But it's already there on the system. And anyone trying to make an argument that WMP can't adequately play an mp3 is just trolling.
Even if we accept your premise that WMP is bloatware, then solving that problem by installing more bloatware (iTunes) only buries my system in twice as much bloatware. I'm glad you like iTunes or WinAmp or whatever. I'm glad you find it "worth the clock cycles" to add it and make it your default. Honestly, good for you. To each his own. I'm not being sarcastic. There could even be some really good reasons why you did that, quicktime or divx or whatever. That's fine. But the Apple fanboys here only hurt their own argument by bashing WMP to people like me who only ask it to do ONE thing: play mp3's. When you guys try to argue that I need iTunes when I'm perfectly satisfied you just come off like a fanatical zealot. - andydumi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@rauz
There are plenty of great phones out there that have modern features that dont ever need any sort of explicit software base.
I have had now 3 Sony Ericsson such phones (with MP3 and pictures capabilities) and my wife is on her third Samsung with the same capabilities. At no point in time have we needed to upgrade the firmware, nor install any software (we could have, but we didnt have to). I believe the same ought to be applicable here. Let me connect it to the computer and have it recognized as a standard memory card/hard drive and let me do what I want with it and use whatever software i want for media or themes, ringtones, backgrounds...
As to firmware, if its a really big deal, I can always go into the ATT store and have them do it for me. But the point is that there ought not to be any firmware upgrades that are necessary, it should be rock solid day one and if its not, then delay its release until it is. Otherwise we slowly get suckered into this whole closed system where you need the latest patch, so you need internet access, so you need to pay for a data plan you may not otherwise use.
Why force a data plan for Iphone? I am perfectly content with just using its Phone, MP3 playing and PDA features without paying ATT more money for a service I dont want. Or I can always sync webpages before I leave via RSS and a USB dock and read the news and email on the train/bus. I am not saying woreless internet is not good, its just that its not necessary and ought not to be forced upon us.
The more we give up control, the worse it gets for us as consumers, as we get stuck in a few very closed systems. - Antiproton, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16This wouldn't be a problem if iTunes weren't a steaming pile of Bullplop.
- euro22, on 12/17/2008, -2/+12I swear.. one more iPhone article that reaches the home page and I'm gonna go ***** on something.
- corporalclegg24, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15There you are again with your gay ass signature. Go Away!
- ibis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12I updated the firmware on my Nokia, but I don't remember having to get an account or anything. You just download the Nokia software updater from the web site.
- understudy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14
I love Apple, but I won't buy an iPhone as long as it requires AT&T to be the carrier. As we've all learned, AT&T has ZERO RESPECT for the privacy of its (and others') users. I would encourage a boycott of the iPhone for this "singular" reason.
An email to Apple about this would be a good thing too.
_ - gdgi, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14you mean digg had credibility to start with?
- ibis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Eh? I've got a music player made by Apple, but I don't have an iTunes account. It's hardly mandatory.
- bking, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"You've never seen an iPod that can do this...... or this...... or this....."
Yep. Sounds like they're marketing an iPod that works as a phone.. - MikeMGM, on 10/11/2007, -10/+17who gives a rats ass
- Omicron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6funny how two really big announcements have come post-WWDC regarding the iPhone. First was no flash support, and now this. I'm surprised that in the Jobsnote, he didn't try to sell these as:
NO FLASH SUPPORT NECESSARY!!!!
and
YOU GET A FREE ITUNES ACCOUNT WITH YOUR NEW IPHONE!!!!
that might have tricked people the same way as the whole "No SDK necessary" did. - bovox, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Oh how unique and original. +100 emo points for you.
- reverb, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Um, "iTunes Account"? Don't they mean an Apple ID? That's the authentication system Apple uses for pretty much everything -- the iTunes Store, developer memberships, etc. I'm not sure how you could do the iPhone *without* some kind of network authentication. Especially if you want to play your DRM-protected iTunes purchases on the phone.
I can't believe anyone's making a big deal out of this. - bking, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7If anybody bought a Zune, they'd be required to use their Zune player and magic Zune points. With iPods/iPhones/Apple TV, you need iTunes. If you get a Sidekick, you need a T-Mobile account. Nobody bitches about that. As electronics get more integrated with other electronics and the web, this is going to become expected from everything.
Things change. It's not 1995 anymore. - wastern, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7If they kept it all Mac only that would work. The reason its all ending up in iTunes is so they can offer it to Windows users without requiring them to download and use 5 more apps and have a whole Apple suite of apps on their PC that they may not want. They think everyone already knows and uses iTunes so they might as well stick with it.
I would like if that was a Windows only thing and they'd spread it out more on the Mac seeing as most people already use the whole iLife suite vs. 3rd party applications - bovox, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14Jeebus Crispy. So what. A Sidekick requires you to setup a t-mobile.com account.
- slantyeyed, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8am I going to have to tell the AT&T / Cingular guy my itunes username and password or will I be able to enter in myself at the store? I don't trust people at the retail level with that info.
- letusburnone, on 10/11/2007, -8/+13if you don't want iTunes... don't buy an Apple product.
simple as that.
otherwise... it's a free program, get over it - Experiment626, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6If Apple will be requiring iTunes accounts from all iPhone users what happens to people who aren't from iTunes store-friendly places (Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom or the United States)? Or will it mean that the iPhone will only be launched in these countries?
- Gutterpunk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7@rauz :
Crowd : The iPhone cannot run native third party application!
Fanboys : Relax people, its just a phone, and it will be an amazing one! Who need applications?
Crowd : The iPhone need a computer to create a iTunes account to be used.
Fanboys : Your stupid asses, what did you think? The iPhone is not just a ***** phone! - cozinator, on 10/11/2007, -8/+13@prisoner24601
You're concerned about bloatware, but run Windows Media Player just to play mp3s? - mpeters13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5amen on the dealing with AT&T part
- Septimus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5jwdav: WMP11 handles all of that if you want it to, see one app. Dick,
- Beerduck, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6You're taking it wrong. You see, I (among others) really do want it because of all the nice features, but Apple is seriously screwing it up day by day. This is a very good example. Everything I've seen about the iPhone makes me want it, but I don't use iTunes and I'm not going to install it just to set up my phone. Another good example that someone pointed out earlier, what about Linux users? It's a very nice phone, but oh bummer, no iTunes there. These kind of things put Apple in a very bad light.
- peestandingup, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4And iPod doesn't require you to have an iTunes Store account.
- kyeetza, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Coverflow. In order to have iTunes download album art automatically for all tracks (not just purchases from the iTS), you have to have an iTS account. Although I can't imagine it being the main reason, ensuring all iPhone users have an iTunes account will also ensure that their library will be complete with all album art and make coverflow much prettier and more importantly, practical for everyone who buys an iPhone.
- sleggat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I know when I signed up for an iTunes Store account that I had to supply a local (New Zealand) credit card number. Not everyone I know has access to a credit card so that's surely going to factor into the number who buy an iPhone. I can't quite believe that an iTunes Store account is mandatory since there are still many countries where Apple has not / will not open an iTunes Store.
- deansfurniture5, on 10/11/2007, -8/+11I really don't get why Apple is throwing all this extra junk under iTunes--it just doesn't make sense. Your photos, videos, contacts, etc. should not be managed by a program with "tunes" in its name--maybe Apple is planning on renaming it sometime soon?
- ibis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6iPod requires iTunes, not an account on the iTunes Music Store like the iPhone. There is a difference. (Not that I think it's a big deal either way, people willing to drop $500 on a phone aren't going to care, but about 70% of the posts here don't seem to see the difference).
- Dalatejc, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10At least there letting us down slowly..
Bit by bit.. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10So what did you flipping expect? It's a music player made by Apple!
- Avalontor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Well then Apple should change their web page that says just that.
"To set up your iPhone, you’ll need an account with Apple’s iTunes Store. If you already have an iTunes account, make sure you know your account name and password. If you don’t have an account, you should set one up now to save time later. To set up an account, launch iTunes, select the iTunes Store, and click the Sign In button in the upper right corner of iTunes. Sign in and you’re ready to go."
Seems to me a lot of peolple in the world thinkk differently then youo and if you are right and there all wrong mabye Apple should rectify that soon before it's spread all over the world, eh? Why don't you google the news using iphone and itunes and see if YOU are the voice of reason. It's leaving a taint either way. - FuzzyCat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I don't know where you've been but an Ipod does NOT require itunes. There are 1001 applications out there that allow you to load music onto an ipod.
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