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- inactive, on 12/04/2008, -1/+19your mom is single handedly driving smartphone growth.
- petard, on 12/04/2008, -1/+16I don't know I am pretty sure the HTC 8525 was out before the original iPhone AND had 3G.
- inactive, on 12/03/2008, -9/+21Didn't we say this would happen? I love the iPhone as much as is possible, but even someone who hates the iPhone has to love what it's done for the market. The best phone you could buy in the US before the iPhone was like… a RAZR. Now you have options like the Bold. Capitalism works.
- foolishwolf, on 12/02/2008, -6/+17dugg for nifty and informative line graphs... and also just because I can
- cheapotheclown, on 12/04/2008, -1/+12There was a period (a little over two months if I remember correctly) when Apple announced the iPhone 3G and immediately stopped shipment of the original iPhone. Stores were without anything to sell. They probably lost a few buyers during these months but I think most held out waiting for the iPhone 3G.
- d3dm, on 12/04/2008, -2/+11One wonders what the sales would be if the iPhone were available on as many carriers as Symbian, Blackberry, or WinMo phones.
- SwampthingLIVES, on 12/02/2008, -2/+9i also enjoyed the line graphs, the colorful shapes made it informative & fun
- bejayel, on 12/04/2008, -4/+10And has every capability of the iPhone, plus more. Apples just advertised a lot more and made the phone look a lot faster than it is.
- Zippo, on 12/03/2008, -6/+12the GUI (Mac OS)
Stylish computer casing (iMac G3)
USB (iMac G3)
MP3 players and buying music online (iPod/iTunes)
WiFi built into laptops (iBook G3)
Webcams built into laptops (MacBook/MacBook Pro)
Touchscreen smartphones (iPhone)
Apple didn't invent any of them, but they did popularize them. - Typhoon2009, on 12/04/2008, -1/+6Hooray competition.
- meghalc, on 12/04/2008, -3/+7I am not surprised. Iphone has pushed the limit and it has brought the lazy cell phone industry to innovate once again.
- Hiltonizer, on 12/04/2008, -3/+6*****... I hate Apple products but you're so right :(
- inactive, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3Dugg because we all benefit from this. Even people that don't like the iPhone (specially the closed business model behind it) and will never buy one.
- MScrip, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3@ mrBitch > "So YES, Apple pushed the adoption of USB far harder and with more success than Microsoft had..."
You're right. Wikipedia says: "The original iMac raised public awareness of USB considerably in August 1998, as it discarded legacy ports to use only USB."
But I still don't see how Apple made USB popular. Apple sold 6 million iMacs over the next 4 years... compared to 60 million Dells and HPs.
USB was to become the universally accepted plug for all computers... replacing serial ports and parallel ports. It would have evolved in PCs regardless of Apple. A new port requires 2 things: computers with the port, and manufacturers making peripherals for that port. USB was never gonna be an Apple-only thing. It was just a matter of time before PCs came with USB ports. And then USB was everywhere.
I know the "Bondi Blue" iMac was the first computer to use USB for mice and keyboards... but does Apple really get the credit for where USB is today? Wouldn't USB have evolved accordingly?
My first computer with USB was an Emachine 466 in 2000. I never thought much of it, I was just glad to buy a USB printer and finally retire that nasty parallel cable. Are you suggesting that computer manufacturers added USB ports to compete with Apple? Or was that just the general direction where things were going?
I give Apple credit on a lot of things. They didn't make the first MP3 player... but they made the most popular MP3 player.
However, Apple made the first computer with USB... but everyone else made it popular. That's quite the opposite.
There's a difference between "first" and "popular." Apple had the first computer with working USB in 1998. But when Windows 98SE took off a year later, more computers had USB from then on.
I'm not slamming Apple... I just never thought of Apple as the "father of USB." Sure, they had it first... but they were not the last. - troye, on 12/04/2008, -1/+4I buried this story for inaccuracy.
1 - Apple sold more phones per time period compared to the rest of the market competitors: Symbian, WM, RIM
2 - This analysis done by the firm was only for 3 and 4th quarter.
3 - the conclusion is NOT "Apple is driving the mobile phone market," but is "Apple drove the mobile phone market for a 3rd quarter but will see sales go down in 4th due to low inventory."
If you agree with me, bury this story and digg me up! Otherwise, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. - prodigitalson, on 12/04/2008, -2/+5I think android being the future depends on the hardware development. The current handset looks liek a piece of ***** compared to the iPhone and Blackberry Storm.
Persoany im hoping something comes of OpenMoko over Android. But thats just me. - Tenoq, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3That'd be as easy as looking at any country other than the US, surely? Four carriers offer it here (Aus), and the other major player has iPhone plans, even though they can't sell you the handset (You need to buy it from another carrier on pre-paid then pay the $80 unlock fee).
I imagine the situation is the same the world over? I thought it was only the US that allowed that kind of carrier lock-inanti-competitive behaviour. - surferjoemaui, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2what does a smartphone do that the iphone doesn't?
- corduroy, on 12/04/2008, -2/+4It's just another winmo phone. Windows mobile has been far from the catalyst to smart phone success. HTC knows this and does a LOT of work to try and make up it's deficiencies (flo touch interface, etc).
And yes, winmo has more capabilities and expandability than the iphone; i keep my asus a626 around because of it's excellent task and calendar handling. But being more capable doesn't mean better. My SE K790 is just so much more capable at handling phone tasks (even light internet/opera mini and push email) than most winmo phones (except for the great job HTC has done on their recent phones).
Apple can advertise all they want to, but so many winmo phones are still stuck at a 320x240, dull screens, finger navigation unfriendly, slow, and rather expensive. I like my asus, but i have to get into the registry and/or download 3rd party programs just to uninstall software. All apple had to do was create a competent multimedia phone, something windows has seemed unable or unwilling to do (kudos to blackberry for making huge strides). - gozroth, on 12/04/2008, -2/+4or two-handedly depending on your typing preference
- Hiltonizer, on 12/04/2008, -2/+4*****... I hate everything Apple stands for... and my company bought me an iPhone 3G... and I don't think I could live without it.
reading PowerPoints while on the toilet FTW. - santaliqueur, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2She's doing a great job, I'm proud, thanks man.
- mrBitch, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2@MScrip RE: " Apple had the first computer with working USB in 1998. But when Windows 98SE took off a year later, more computers had USB from then on.
I'm not slamming Apple... I just never thought of Apple as the "father of USB." Sure, they had it first... but they were not the last. "
+1 to you for a well thought out reply.
However, did you know one of the primary reasons Microsoft pushed out Win 98 SE was DIRECTLY as a result of how poorly their OS was coping with USB devices?
Apple's OS was EMBARRASING Microsoft.
I have to admit though, for it's time, Win 98 SE was a great little OS. - SuperMonkeyKing, on 12/04/2008, -3/+5buried for old data, with the latest date on the graph being march
- santaliqueur, on 12/04/2008, -3/+5The iPhone is the #1 selling handset in the country. I wonder if they are still jealous of Blackberry.
- MScrip, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2You're right again. Wikipedia says that one of the updates for Windows 98SE was improved USB support, but there were many other updates as well. "It includes fixes for many minor issues, improved USB support, and the replacement of Internet Explorer 4.0 with the significantly faster and lighter Internet Explorer 5.0. Also included is Internet Connection Sharing, which allows multiple computers on a LAN to share a single Internet connection through Network Address Translation. Other features in the update include Microsoft NetMeeting 3.0 and integrated support for DVD-ROM drives."
> "Apple's OS was EMBARRASING Microsoft."
Really? OS 9 was embarrasing Microsoft? After Windows 95 changed the game for Microsoft, their first 32-bit OS? Then 95B, then 98, and 98SE?
In 1998, 1 in 20 people had a Mac. That's hardly enough to shove USB to the forefront. And while Mac USB support worked great... doesn't everything? "It just works" has been their motto from the start. But, there were statistically few Mac users, and even fewer USB peripherals at the time.
It took Microsoft some time to add USB support, but it's been working fine ever since. You might say Microsoft sat on their hands while Apple seemed to master USB from the start. But with dozens of motherboard manufacturers and peripheral manufacturers, it took time for Microsoft to get it all working. Again, it was a "new" port.
When Win98SE came out in 1999, there weren't that many USB peripherals out there. And if there were, they came with drivers anyway. So, at least they would work. The biggest problem of the day was not including a USB cable with the printer! Flash drives didn't come around until 2000... and they were small, expensive and not very common. Digital cameras were still a luxury to most people. My mom had a Gateway in January 2003 with USB 2.0. Apple didn't get USB 2.0 until August 2004!
I'd say OS X is when Apple's OS was embarrasing Microsoft... in 2001. But later that year Windows XP took over the world. And to some, it's still the best Microsoft OS ever!
Thank you for opening my eyes! Usually these kinds of debates are about Firewire! (which I love by the way!) - SteveMax, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2"Apple sold more phones per time period compared to the rest of the market competitors: Symbian, WM, RIM"
Apple never outsold Symbian, and won't anytime in the near future. Apple was just the only one whose marketshare grew, so the blog went out on a limb to say it was "driving the smartphone market" (which is total *****). - psYcon, on 12/04/2008, -1/+2How can there be any smartphone numbers for the Iphone prior to the July 2007 launch? The line shows quite a few.
- mrBitch, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1@locojones RE: " It's understandable that they'd be envious when they see what a genuine smartphone can do. "
I'm really curious, are you bitter and twisted over how successful the iPhone is?
Or are you just a dick head? - duihomer, on 12/04/2008, -1/+2I got a Touch Pro last night (AT&T Fuze). Had this conversation with a co-worker who has an iPhone 3G this morning:
Co-worker: Can it do copy and paste?
Me: Yes.
Co-worker: Can it forward a text message?
Me: Yup.
Co-worker: Can it send photos in texts?
Me: Yeah.
Co-worker: Can we trade phones?
Me: NO. - iofthestorm, on 12/04/2008, -4/+5Hmm, Apple makes things sexy I guess. Touchscreen smartphones have been around for ages before the iPhone, and at first the iPhone wasn't even a smartphone for the longest time (no 3rd party apps). Nowadays I see retarded posts from Apple fanboys who think an SDK is some sort of Apple innovation. I ***** you not, there was a fanboy on engadget who was saying that the N97 would fail because Nokia didn't have an SDK for developing applications. He got buried into oblivion but seriously... Apple also makes stupidity seem sexy, it seems.
- ilves7, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Now lets see some figures of Apple Vs Nokia worldwide market share and sales for smartphones.
- locojones, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1A true smartphone doesn't have a nanny approving the applications that you can use. Moreover, a true smartphone can multitask.
The iPhone is a featurephone, but most definitely not a smartphone. - foolishwolf, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1This isn't the gametrailers forums alerad
- gerrylazlo, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1WTH? I'm being dugg down for asking a question? daaamn!
- SouthsideIrish, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Because the phone was released in June, not July, and June is in the 2nd quarter of 2007, which is when the growth begins. BTW, specifically June 29.
- mrBitch, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1@ hazard RE: " It doesn't matter how many G1s sold... "
Oh, right, so if only 15 G1s were sold, then this means what ? HECK YES it matters how many were sold.
If the number of G1s sold are miniscule and insignificant, then it means that they had NOTHING to do with driving the smartphone market growth.
I guess you flunked maths, huh ? - rolf, on 12/04/2008, -1/+2It's cheap enough initially, just sell it to me directly so I don't get bent over by ATT's rate plans.
- inactive, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1it's common knowledge nokia sells way more phones and cameras than anyone else on the planet, but this is like comparing ferrari sales to ford fiestas sales.
sure, in volume, they make more, but i'd trade in my fiesta in any day. - mrBitch, on 12/04/2008, -1/+2@SuperMonkeyKing RE: Windows mobile is for business
Apple OSX is for iPhone ... "
What the hell does that even mean? - mrBitch, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1@Hiltonizer RE: " buried from an IT guy who would without the iPhone be installing BES right now. "
Don't worry, there's a few Blackberry developers that are following you over to the iPhone...
Here's a comment from a Blackberry developer and why they are switching to develop iPhone apps :
http://blog.cosential.com/?p=156
" ... developing for BlackBerry platforms, we have to create a build for each phone and each network. As a developer, I just can’t afford it.
Most of my customers right now have BlackBerries. I think that in the next year or two they will have an iPhone.
I am already hearing word that a few senior executives are asking the IT departments to check it out. We should be one of the first “Real” Enterprise developers who have a native iPhone application. " - mrBitch, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1@byronm RE: " What have they innovated? really? Did they lower pricing? (nope), Did they cause larger broadband adoption and superior bandwidth rates ? ... "
Wow, I guess you haven't been following the mobile phone carriers outside the US, and their tears of joy over the adoption of the iPhone...
For YEARS many carriers have unsuccessfully tried to push data plans onto mobile phone consumers.
iPhone has single handedly caused the consumer demand for large amounts of data plan adoptions.
The Mobile phone carriers are dancing with joy. - benitojuarez, on 12/04/2008, -4/+5The iphone is a piece of ***** and so is your face
-Maddox - Chairboy, on 12/04/2008, -4/+5On Wikipedia, there have been continual ongoing debates about whether or not the iPhone can be considered a Smart Phone at all. Usually, these discussions usually end up with the 'It's not a smartphone' camp linking to Maddox's review of the N95.
Are there still folks out there who don't see the iPhone as a smartphone? How big is that group? - locojones, on 12/04/2008, -1/+2It's understandable that they'd be envious when they see what a genuine smartphone can do.
- inactive, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1nice to go back down memory lane:
RIM: iPhone? What iPhone?
http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/jun20 ...
Palm CEO Not Worried About iPhone Rumors
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12631
Palm’s CEO thinks the iPhone won’t dominate
http://www.geek.com/articles/archives/2006/11/
Another Music Phone? Yawn…
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct ...
Was The iPhone Over-Hyped? Bruce Nussbaum
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDes ... - MScrip, on 12/04/2008, -1/+2Why are you digging me down?
Do you really think USB and WIFI are popular because of Apple? - BrendanSheehan, on 12/03/2008, -3/+4Don't you mean competition?
- pyrates, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Why was all iphone 3g sales being compared against only new activations of the blackberry? Wasn't some of those because people were upgrading from the first one?
- surferjoemaui, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Apple Computer widely popularized the computer-based cut-and-paste paradigm through the Lisa (1981) and Macintosh (1984) operating systems and applications.
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