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- WinGeek, on 10/15/2008, -1/+28The day the iPhone can work with with Microsoft, Lotus and Novell mail platforms is the day it will have "Business Street Cred." An VOIP client is cool but is really not going to do much without e-mail and calendar.
- ZennZero, on 12/20/2007, -0/+10Yep. Exchange support is crucial. RIM has the business market cornered until Apple adds that, at a minimum. Even then they will have an uphill battle, as Blackberries are pretty well entrenched in corporate culture. Then again, I am not sure how interested Apple is in that segment -- they certainly haven't pushed Macs very hard there.
- CraigJ, on 12/20/2007, -0/+8Well if Jason hasn't heard about them they must be nobody, 'cause we all know that Jason is the expert in this area. *rolls eyes* *harder*
- CraigJ, on 12/20/2007, -0/+7Because clearly, a phone that is a PMP first, a web browser second, and a phone third is targeted at the corporate world. /sarc Personally, I like my iPhone the way it is. I don't want corporate e-mail or calendar on my it. If I want to check my corporate e-mail or calendar, I'll use our web interface. I had a blackberry for a couple of years, and frankly, I gave it back - it was like wearing an infinitely long leash. Obviously there are people out there that need this type of application on their mobile device, just because Apple is targeting a different group of users does not make the iPhone a lacking product. It has an almost perfect feature set for the intended audience.
- Tyr7BE, on 12/20/2007, -0/+7"It does addapt to your typign"
Yooure riigth. Ussing my iPone to tyep, I get exctly teh smae ressults aes I doo wtith muy laoptop. Aapple haes resaaly got thinngs figuired outt. - kmenzel, on 12/20/2007, -0/+5I'm hoping it was you sense of irony that caused you to write "typign" and "addapt"... because otherwise, you may not actually be making less mistakes.
- AntBing, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4So since you are clueless and have never heard of Avaya it can't have business street cred?
- seandaly, on 12/20/2007, -2/+5They could easily add a slide out (flip out) qwerty keyboard the same size or larger than a crackberry. If you want to type, flip it out and turn it on it's side.
I won't get an iPhone until they can integrate with MS Exchange. (ActiveSync @ a minimum) and have a USABLE mail client.
It would also be nice if they had some sort of Remote Plus software available for RDP (like the one for Palm).
At that point, I'd ditch both my personal and business mobile phones and take the leap. - thedude1181984, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4If I could lotus notes on my iPhone I would be so happy. Hell I'll even take iNotes...
- totorototoro, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3If you haven't even heard of Avaya, then the iPhone's place in business/IT doesn't affect you anyways :p
And the iPhone won't gain "business street cred" until it gets full Microsoft Exchange support, period. - SergeiGolos, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4you know after using my iphone for a about a month now i find it to be rather easy to type on it. It does addapt to your typign after a little while so you make less and less mistakes.
- chaosium, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3Hey, guess which dumbass has no experience in the field that we're all talking about?
It's JASON, WHOOOO. - superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3The iPhone is easier to type on than any other smart phone except perhaps for the blackberry,
- neodorian, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Everyone knows what "cred" means. Even if they don't know, context tells you it is short for "credibility".
- mikehill33, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Jason just got owned.
- neodorian, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3Nah, they won't do that. They know there are a ton of smartphones out there. The iPhone differs in that it's pretty and that is one of the main selling points in a world of Treos, Blackberries, Moguls, Tilts, etc. They won't sacrifice the thin-ness or simple look for a keypad. Besides, Jobsie said they would never put a keypad on it. That's like way to businessy or something.
- superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2What makes you think it will not about one minute after the official SDK is released (Jan 15th or so). Then there's nothing stopping anyone from adding exchange support.
- tucsonwc, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2I want my Active Sync!
- superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2I find the iPhone easy to type on (with both thumbs) after a bit of practice. Using a single finger seems far slower to me on the phone...
- ExSlashdotter, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1Want business cred? Support Exchange mail. Sorry, but 99% of businesses use Exchange (and no, IMAP isnt good enough).
- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -4/+5Damn, I still want to be an outsider :(
- Vermifax, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Except the legions of iPhone owners, Apple Inc. and people like you probably wishing you had one.
- sjbdallas, on 12/20/2007, -4/+5Working with it isn't enough. It has to be as easy to setup and as secure as blackberry.
Although, I have played with the iPhone and would find that keyboard very difficult to use. I can hack away on my blackberry keyboard with my thumbs and very few errors, i just don't see that possible on the iPhone keyboard. - habenneas, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1lynxcache mirror: http://lynxcache.com/Macenstein_iPhone_gets_some_m ...
- jcaino, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2and make it bigger and heavier? my blackberry pearl has a very nice form factor. adding a flip-out full keyboard to the iPhone would not make me want it anymore. touch screen be damned, its a little to big already. end up with an over-sized brick like verizon's LG voyager.
- The_Larch, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1CraigJ, that doesn't mean the iPhone can't be made to work for both the consumer and the business person.
I think this type of development is a good thing. Since every business person needs their phone to do different things, I think it is actually smart if Apple leaves a lot of this integration up to the individual companies to put only what their salespeople need on it. Hopefully the SDK will allow for a lot more of this. - ExSlashdotter, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1Well, then you're not using activesync. The REAL activesync works *over the air* to the Exchange server at your business. Has nothing to do with your local mailbox on any one client machine. Its exactly like how the blackberry server works, but just Exchange -> Windows mobile device.
So please dont make comments when you dont know anything.
The only way the iPhone is going to get business 'street cred' is to have Exchange mail support, 99% of businesses use Exchange, and no, IMAP doesnt work for me (or any of the rest of us real network admins). - clockdist, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I own an iPhone and a work-issued Blackberry 8800, and I can type faster, with less errors on the iPhone. It just takes a few days to get used to the predictive text features on the iPhone, then you'll be flying with two thumbs.
- spazzcat, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Just use Grand Central
- dougerdo, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2iPhone can work with Exchange and the like. You setup pop accounts for incoming and outgoing.
Like mail.yourdomain.com for incoming and outgoing. My works fine... - jcaino, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1well, and the fact that you can get a blackberry on any CDMA or GSM network in America is a pretty big deal too. the upcoming blackberry with proposed touch screen should make things very interesting.
- Tenoq, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2I'd much prefer you kept ActiveSync AWAY from the iPhone. It's a ***** nightmare on pretty much every PDA/system I've seen/used. It *never* works 100% the way you want or expect. TBH, I miss the simplicity of the old Palm Hotsync.
- MadKennyP, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1That won't satisfy needs of business, who require added security and usually push e-mail capability. I would like to replace my Blackberry with my iPhone for work, but it ain't happening with the current iPhone.
- neodorian, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1I disagree with that but the iPhone isn't really a smart phone anyway. It's a PMP/Web Phone. More for multimedia and web browsing than actual typing or work.
- mikehill33, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Yeah really. ***** the iPhone. POS.
- Tyr7BE, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Yeah but they wouldn't do that. iPhones whole deal is that they have a screen that can double as an awkward keyboard. Adding a slide out keyboard would be admitting that they were wrong, which is just not apple's style.
- thuffner, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1Much needed "business street cred"?!
How about much needed "MMS support"??? - clockdist, on 12/22/2007, -0/+0the keyboard is not awkward! It's a dream! (I wish actual iPhone users would comment on usability.)
- TheKorn2, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1So their main selling point is they added the ability to forward your desk phone to your iphone. Wow, way to go the extra mile for iphone integration, Avaya!
(Besides, anyone still using an Avaya switch of any flavor is soooo 1992.) - pyrates, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1I want skype, that is all.
- somegeologist, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1Funny using a word like "cred" to say it has a business application. How many business types even know what cred means? It's a ghetto word.
- karloos, on 12/20/2007, -0/+0sorry, forgot the link
http://www.makefive.com/categories/technology/good ... - happyseamonster, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2I'm getting sick. "Business" and the street (real people) are not the same. Business cred isn't "much needed". ***** stupid. If you try to make a device that satisfies everyone to some extent you have made too many compromises and created a turd. Let the yuppies use their black berries.
- xthrawnx, on 12/20/2007, -0/+0Your organization just needed to get a Motorola Good Messaging server, which would allow them to manage and secure your Treo for access to their email servers. It's "Almost Blackberry", IMHO, for everyone else running Windows Mobile, PalmOS, etc.
I disagree that the Treo is a better PDA than a Blackberry. You're comparing apples and oranges. And how often are you rebooting your Treo? :-) - xthrawnx, on 12/20/2007, -0/+0Completely agree with you.
But I think a LOT of people think it's just a matter of rolling out an update to the iPhone OS to get this business integration to work. If anyone is even remotely familiar with BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) or GMS (Good Messaging Server), they'll know that in addition to the device, you need a stand-alone server to handle the email push, etc. If Apple wanted to enter this arena, they, too, would need to develop such an application that would run on a server and integrate into Exchange/Domino/etc.
So...does anyone actually see Apple developing a server-hosted application, that would really need to run on a Windows server (because few organizations have/need/want Apple servers running OS X) just to get a few more iPhones out the door? As much as I would like to see it happen, it just doesn't seem like even a >remote< possibility to me. - karloos, on 12/20/2007, -0/+0that's awesome, closed technology is a bad stink attached to apple. The iphone is listed no. 3 on this list for geeky holiday gifts
- clockdist, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0I guarantee there will be GMS/BES functionality for the iPhone as soon as the SDK come available in Jan. Then all this discussion will be over.
- xthrawnx, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0Guarantee? You must know something the rest of us don't, then!
An SDK will change nothing, there's still all the BES/GMS infrastructure that needs to be handled with the carrier, etc. Oh yeah, and there are separate data plans for Blackberry and Good devices for a reason. If it happens formally (read: not an el cheapo hack that kinda-runs-ok-but-not-really), I predict it will come years in the future. It just plain doesn't make sense for it to happen right now.
And for the record, I like Apple and most of their products. I currently don't have an iPhone because it makes no sense for me to have one in addition to my work Blackberry. BB != iPhone. They were never meant to be, and won't be for quite some time...if at all. -
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