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- meshman, on 10/11/2007, -23/+166"Microsoft's overwhelmingly dominant position in the desktop OS market has let it go ahead with proprietary systems and formats time and time again," Blackfriars analyst Aric Winton wrote, "keeping users locked in without being too obvious about it."
Microsoft?! Holy pot-kettle-black. To what non-Apple devices (legally) can you transfer music and video from the Apple store? All of Apple's products are highly proprietary and locked in. The iPhone is a perfect example. Not to say MS is not guilty of this but come on, Apple is the pioneer of it. - wality, on 10/11/2007, -24/+107No Exchange integration
No Third party apps
No 3G
No tactile QWERTY keyboard
No Office editing
No voice dialing
No threat to MS Mobile
I would consider buying the iPhone for my personal phone, at $200 or less. As business phone it has a long way to go to match most of the Mobile 5 and 6 offerings. - insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -37/+98LOL. iPhone does nothing compared to windows mobile. And windows mobile can easily mimic the iPhone interface, assuming you want it.
- moosebaloney, on 10/11/2007, -4/+64iPhone, a true threat to Ron Paul for digg supremacy.
- G_Raph, on 10/11/2007, -12/+55How is the iPhone a threat. Everything the iPhone can do, Windows Mobile can do just as well. The reason everybody uses Windows Mobile is because you can install 3rd party apps specific to your needs as well as hack the device to make it function how you want to.
The iPhone is a locked device...thus no threat. - Tunguska, on 10/11/2007, -45/+85iPhone can ***** off for all I care. Anyone would think the iPhone is Jesus second coming the way Diggers go on about it.
... wait. - KarbonKopy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+42Can we go ONE DAY without a damn iPhone story? Seriously....this is worse than the 2.0 binge we went on a few months ago.......who cares?
- iziizi, on 10/11/2007, -14/+45luckily most people with iPhones are geeks and have no friends to call anyway
*awaits the digg down*
Only a joke gimps :) - TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -7/+37But when Apple does it, it's Revolutionary! :D
- httpgeek, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36with no SDK, and not using 3g i am good with windows mobile for the time being, i will wait till gen 3 or 4 when apple fixes all the stuff they forgot about when they rushed this product out.
- Shadow503, on 10/11/2007, -3/+29"The iPhone a True Threat to Windows Mobile"
The only thing the iPhone is a threat to is your wallet. - Andy.D, on 10/11/2007, -7/+32Amen brother, this iPhone for business ***** is a joke. They need to stop it.
- Detritus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27It doesn't even support Stereo BlueTooth! This is probably the only feature the non-business class users would need and yet they get goofy UI stuffs instead.
Windows based phones on the other hand have had StereoBT since Windows Mobile 2003. So grats to everyone that paid $600 for a phone they need to plug a cord into to listen to music on; ***** brilliant purchasing decision there. - ninj3, on 10/11/2007, -4/+27Yeah push off the responsibility to the music companies. Let's look at the iphone release. Firstly - Lock in to AT&T. Seriously Apple is one of the most proprietary, lock-in loving, non standards compliant companies in the world. Don't see them opening up the the iphone for 3rd party apps or customisation. Not saying Microsoft is any better of course.
And a threat to windows mobile? Who cares? Windows mobile runs on a tiny segment of mobile devices. They may own the desktop market but their mobile market share is pathetic.
The iPhone has its merits and may revolutionise the mobile market in terms of hardware. But this article is pure BS. Apple will save the world from proprietary lock in formats? Please. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+32You can run Windows and Linux on just about anything, but Apple OS will ONLY run on Apple hardware. Talk about hypocritical.
- history1me, on 10/11/2007, -15/+34By building a better mouse traps, the mice don't know they're trapped.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+31"The iPhone is a locked device...thus no threat."
qft - combustion8, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21no REAL business professional will choose an iphone over his blackberry or windows mobile phone... sorry macboys.
- stephanh, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19what everybody seems to be overlooking is that the iphone is just that, a PHONE!! it might pass as a smartphone, but it is definitely not a PDA phone. there is no comparison between it and a windows mobile device. windows mobile offers soo many more options (like a regular computer) where as the iphone is locked down and doesn't offer choices (like a regular old phone) i'm sure its good at what it does, but all it is is a fancy phone.
- crackedplastic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17I have a couple PocketPCs myself. The user experience isn't THAT bad, and certainly beats PalmOS (at least at the moment).
My main gripe with Microsoft is the fact they allowed the vendors to handle OS upgrades. Of course HP won't allow upgrades on older devices - they want you to continue buy new ones, even though PDAs a few years old are very capable as well as compatible (hardware-wise).
I might continue to use Windows Mobile, or heck, I might even try the iPhone later down the road. One thing's for sure: I will never, ever buy HP again. - cquinnd, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20"Given that you can legally burn a cd from the iTMS' protected AAC files..."
Thats a way around the lock, but the same concept can be applied to other music download services. They all work on the assumption that the average user is not going to try to work around the boundaries placed in the system. - Takuro, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Kevin Rose: Please make a section of Digg dedicated to the iPhone so I'll never have to read a mindless iPhone article in the tech section again.
- Ehrgeiz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Had to bury this story as lame, apple is just as bad as MS when it comes to locking users in.
- AnthonyC, on 10/11/2007, -8/+21You're kidding yourself if you think the iPhone is for the business user. Its not even close.
Anyways, I am glad that the iPhone will challenge Windows Mobile. WM5 is terrible, considering how long windows mobile has been around. Its so laggy and buggy, it blows my mind. Microsoft better get their act together or else Apple will eventually aim at the business user. - parsap, on 10/11/2007, -11/+23Windows Mobile has multi-touch?
- adude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12At the very least, you have to admit that the iPhone has created a lot of buzz (naturally as it is an Apple product). But more importantly, it's created buzz in the smart phone (or at least more advanced cell phone) world. I heard on CNBC the other day someone said something to the effect of "This iPhone is like a small computer!"
Sure, Windows Mobile devices have had more features (minus the interface) for years, but the fact that people are talking about it more is only going to create a more competitive and thus, better, market for consumers. Hopefully, despite iPhone's flaws, its advantages and the buzz it has created will get people to start thinking about advancements in the mobile phone market... both from the consumer and producer side.
And in that way, I do believe the iPhone is at least somewhat of a threat to Windows Mobile phones and other smart phones. - insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14OH NOOES! We clearly need a Ron Paul limited edition iPhone.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Ugh. You're one of the people who buys into that crap? The $1 salary is a tax dodge. He makes his money on Apple stock. It's not about not being greedy, it's about making more money, which happens to be the opposite of not being "all greed"
- brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13I know I did a spit-take when I read that summary!
Apple Computer is the poster child of proprietary consumer products and a/v formats - their entire business model is dependent on it. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11The iPhone is like a Barbie, all looks, little flexibility. Windows Mobile is like a G.I. Joe, it can bend all kinds of ways but is held together with an ugly elastic.
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Huh? I thought iPhones were only being bought by socialite hipsters, salespersons, and marketing types easily influenced by social trends and "cool" factor.
- jasonmacari, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I know several salesmen who enter order amounts into an Excel spreadsheet on their Win Mobile smartphones as they walk around their clients' plants taking inventory. An iPhone and a clipboard with printouts on it doesn't seem like an attractive alternative.
- CrimsonBlur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10What the hell is Apple smoking? I mean, I love their products, they're great, but they're all completely proprietary and locked down like Fort Knox. Take the iPhone, for example: All phones and smartphones are completely open to third-party software development, except the iPhone. Instead, developers have to create AJAX applications that are hosted on their own servers, WTF?
Apple knows for a fact OSX isn't any more secure or inter-operable than Windows is (at least not significantly so), and that is why they so aggressively lock out third-party software and hardware. If they created software for open systems like MS does, they would run into all of the same problems and get all of the same criticisms. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, necessarily, and so far Apple's approach seems to be working great for them, I just think people need to be more aware of how hypocritical Apple really is when they compare them self to Microsoft. - newstart, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Yes apparently you're able to send SMS/Text to more than one contact in the N95. You can add your own custom ring tones in N95, you can send photos to other phones/computers using bluetooth. None of these can be done by the iPhone!! Oh forget the N95, even the Nokia 6600 that I own, which costs $110 without any contract and is 4 years old is able to do all this! Apple really put multitouch in it without putting simple $2 features!!!
- PeakAction, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10I own an iPhone, and while it is, in fact the best phone I have ever owned, it is not a tool I would use for extreme business. What it does, it does very well, but it is still lacking a lot of tools needed for the mobile professional. I think, though, as the novelty of the iPhone wears off and Apple starts allowing developers access to the device, it will become much more competitive.
A few pros: The keyboard is actually fantastic. I had my doubts about it, but after a couple days of using it, I didn't miss my Blackberry's or Blackjack's tactile keyboards at all. The adaptive keyboard rocks. Also, the POP3 access is nice. Nicer, in fact, than my Blackberry, which gave me never-ending trouble trying to get my mail. The Blackjack just never worked at all. The iPhone never locks up, unlike the Windows Mobile devices I've had, which locked up almost daily.
Cons: Well, the major ones, anyway. The iPhone shipped with a pitifully small selection of apps and widgets. Need more. Also, I would really like the ability to select and copy text. My biggest complaint so far is that you can't search. There is no place in the UI to search the phone, i.e. when you're looking for an obscure contact in your address book. You also can't go straight to an address book entry by entering the first few letters of the name; you have to scroll the address book until you find it. Considering that you CAN type in letters when searching for a contact to send a text message to, I would think this feature would be really easy to add to the address book. I expect to see it in a future update. - DanH, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11the iphone is one of the most locked devices short of the sidekick. how can they say windows mobile is locked? windows mobile sucks but it isn't nearly as proprietary.
- LucasKane, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8The guy doesn't want to pay taxes, that's pretty greedy!
- bobcrotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7The iPod has no place in mainstream business.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Micro_Framework
I don't know the details of it, because I haven't looked into it much, but .NET Micro contains something similar to WPF, which can do the animations. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+14You just summed up their business model.
Create inferior products, giving slight increases every year to boost sales revenue.
They didn't 'forget' to do anything- other than sucker everyone once again to purchase their hardware. Oops! Here is 2nd Gen iPhone, yours for only $499.... etc. - mikehill33, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8The iPhone is a great interface. Interface.
Will it challenge all the functionality that Windows Mobile has for business (read: non Apple fan-people) who live and die by Exchange, Office and other formats/systems that make up the business world? NO WAY.
Combined with Apple/AT&T's decision to cripple/limit basic functionality (no search, not using standard headphone jack, disabled MMS, etc..) and you have a great 1.0 product, but not a threat.
Certain features will always draw different users. Apple knew this, and hit the UI sweet spot with the iPhone. - knuckles, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10@meshman,
While I agree with you that Apple is as guilty as everyone else, your argument that iTunes is locked is completely off. While iTunes itself is locked, the ipod is NOT. MP3 files can be added to the ipod, copied from it, and it supports open standards such as MPEG 4 audio and video. These are NOT Apple formats and can easily be tossed around an ipod. Yes, itunes is locked, but WTF does itunes have to do with the cell phone industry or this article? - totallyAMAZING, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13Apple's DRM is ok, don't you get it? How can you even mention vendor lock-in and Apple in the same sentence any more? Apple is the new face of vendor lock-in, the user friendly robust stable vendor lock-in. Except that Apple sells you overpriced hardware too, where MS lets you actually get a deal on a PC.
So you use Apple to save us from MS, who's going to save us from Apple when we're all stuck buying $2000 computers like it's 1998? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6What the hell are you talking about?
- flickr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7This Digg is touching a few nerves, eh?
- disciple83, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6by burning a CD< aren't you gating the very existence of the iPod to begin with? You could say something to the effect of "you can re-rip your cd you burned to put it on anything you want" but let's face it, the music already has a borderline unacceptable quality to it, especially in regards to using earbuds over headphones. To re-rip a CD based on lossy mp3 files is asinine with regards to your hearing. If someone is willing to put such a high demand on portability on everything involved in their daily life when it comes to media and technology to the point where they carry an all-in-one wonder device like the iPhone, I can guarantee that they aren't willing to go through the process of burning and re-ripping, schedules won't allow it.
Chances are you are saying this because you blindly agree with those that hate everything Microsoft, waited in line for hours for an iPhone, are eagerly saying your prayers in hopes of a speedy iMac revision release, and collect dust samples of the ground Steve Jobs treads upon, and haven't actually burned one of your highly touted DRM-free CDs. You just repeat that because you heard some soundbyte of Jobs saying it. Jobs knows what's up with today's society. We can't wait around to burn a CD or take tedious steps to circumvent DRM, our time is precious. People will accept their fate that if they want to use something "convenient" like iTunes, you'll have to buy an Apple product to go with it, even at the point of giving in to DRM technology, which helps lines the pockets of both Apple and the RIAA, whereas WinMo products will play any type of DRM accept iTunes. - guilleml, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6You can use lots of apps.
You can develop apps using some SDKs.
I have a pocketpc with wince 3.0, WM2002 (5 years old I think) and it seems to let me do more things than an iPhone (new). - dtip, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9The iPhone is more restricting then Windows Mobile phones.
Also, ever wonder they didn't do iPhone VS Windows Mobile? The MAC VS PC format would point out how fun the iPhone is but also highlight how unfriendly to business it is. iPhone is not a productivity device, it's a fun lifestyle device.
You can't compare iPhone to a Windows Mobile Phone. - hartley, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Without 3rd party apps, the iPhone will NEVER compete with WM5/6.
My aging Treo 650 still has more functionality as the iPhone. With EDGE, it can even download the same. Granted Safari > blazer, and a much more beautiful interface, but that still doesn't warrant me purchasing to this phone. If Apple actually had an open SDK, I would be just like all the other Apple kids right now.
Hopefully some very talented coders will make their own SDK. I'm content with any new 3rd party content, legal or not. - Nysul, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10I don't know why you are being dugg down, you speak the truth.
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