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- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -10/+176"Apparently, the technology uses chemical deposition to register touch-inputs based on heat"
A few weeks ago some guys used an iPhone to take aerial photos by taping it to a remote control plane and using a servo with a wet sponge with a charged lead attached. It was even on the front page of digg. It worked. Moral of the story? A wet, room temperature sponge with a tiny amount of electricity was able to operate the touch screen. This article says heat is the mechanism used to operate the screen. The experiment with the sponge suggest very strongly otherwise. It's not based on heat, but on capacitance. Surely the creators of the technology used for the screen know how it works therefore I'm calling this story bogus.
Now, to go even further, read this excellent writeup that goes into more specifics about how the iPhone touchscreen works:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/iphone1.htm
Note that there is no mention of heat being important to the workings of the screen. This article is FUD, plain and simple. - sholt, on 10/10/2007, -8/+118The iPhone touch screen is capacitive. There are no chemical deposits on it's screen aside from the lotion and cheeto dust from your dirty fingers.
Now: stop spreading FUD, and go wash your hands. - grbruner, on 10/10/2007, -2/+50From article:
"Update
The iPhone does not use heat chemical deposition technology, nor does it detect inputs based on heat. We got that little tidbit from iPhone World. Color us embarrassed."
Buried as inaccurate - read whole article and don't post with a misleading title. - fanboydcs, on 10/10/2007, -8/+46And if the screen goes bad, Apple will fix it for you, OH NO THE HORROR!
- streak, on 10/10/2007, -5/+33Absolutely right.
Bury Inaccurate, everyone, to get this posting off the site. "Inaccurate" is the only bury function that will do that. - JlmAWP, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30Yeah, back when we had touch screens in the 70s. Remember that?
Because I sure as hell don't. This is based on nothing. - comradeTJH, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20I just read somewhere - iPhone display could break if you penetrate it with a sledgehammer!
- KennMac, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21From the article:
Update
The iPhone does not use heat chemical deposition technology, nor does it detect inputs based on heat. We got that little tidbit from iPhone World. Color us embarrassed.
Buried. - HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17The iPhone sensor is capacitive, not heat-based. Look up the Fingerworks patents (whom Apple bought years ago). This article doesn't even know how the display works, they sure can't predict its lifespan.
Inaccurate. - shad0w, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20You really think that Apple would release a product who's most distinguishing feature will go kaput in 3 to 6 months? That would be a PR nightmare. I call BS.
- sholt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Oh, there are problems with a few screens, no one is debating that; it shouldn't happen, but Apple is doing the responsible thing and replacing those faulty units under their warranty.
However, These issues are more likely the result of a manufacturing defect in a small number of units; and not a widespread design flaw as this article implies. That's where the FUD is. - sholt, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15back then, we had to walk uphill to school, both ways! And a dime only cost a nickel!
- d.rosing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Yeah- I'm 100% sure this uses a clear capacitive touch screen, where there is an ITO layer below the surface of the top layer of protective glass/plastic. It is sensing the electrical capacitance of your finger, or a charged sponge as mentioned above. Most likely the issues Apple is having with touch screen failures have to do with the laminating of the touch layer to the clear surface above it being defective.
The beauty of this kind of touch screen is that gunk on the top surface doesn't even touch the actual layer that senses touch, unlike pressure sensitive touch screen (most other touch smart phones use this)
Definitely bury as inaccurate!!! - Andy.D, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15This is FUD, pure and simple. Inaccurate.
- Bulldogge16, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Buried as Inaccurate...
- stealthrocket, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Funny how everyone here can tell this is ***** but the author of the story couldn't. Do you think they were more focused on...
A. finding a hot story and increasing traffic to their site?
or
B. Actually thinking about what they were writing and doing some research? - cjwl, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9So are you still using all the computers and electronics you bought a few decades ago?
- serpicolugnut, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8...And aliens could invade tomorrow. Notice I said "could". It doesn't mean it is going to happen. Marked as inaccurate.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10"That's where the FUD is." Exactly. I won't argue that people are having problems with the touch screen but this article has the reasons why all wrong. It's just not credible.
- snypa, on 10/10/2007, -9/+15RTFA: "the technology uses chemical deposition to register touch-inputs based on heat".
You can use all the cases you want, it's the actual input method used which appears to be the problem. - KillerX, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Pure FUD spread by a Microsoft paid Microtard.
Nothing to see here, move on. - AfterTen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7The best part is the update where they say (paraphrasing), "The facts we used to base our story on were false. BUT, the story could still be true."
Ridiculous. - sholt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6There are more comments (proportionally) from people saying the story is crap and to bury it than I've seen in a long time... and yet, this story is still on the front page. How?
- timusca, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Buried.
- RevToTheRedline, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Buried as inaccurate
- PerfectTommy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4BREAKING NEWS: The iPhone will not bring world peace, Apple stock to plummet on news. Just more iPhone bashing.
- dienaked, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5From the article:
Update
The iPhone does not use heat chemical deposition technology, nor does it detect inputs based on heat.
Buried as innacurate - turpenine, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8i have never had a product in for repair for more than 72 hours
- ryptide, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Buried as inaccurate.
BTW, the crystal films you can get prevent the smudges and whatnot directly on the screen, and are most certainly cheaper than having the iPhone replaced (if that is even a problem). - jdemarti, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Buried as FUD
- ZenKai, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"Color us embarrassed.
Regardless, the “dead strip” problem could prove to become more widespread with time."
So... you're now claiming that all of the information you used to write this article was proved wrong... but your conclusion remains the same... because it... looked... like it WAS going to be a problem? - websyndicate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Please Windows Fan Boys make fun of us Apple Fans We still have a cooler phone and we've been on the market maybe a month
- carnecerro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Would Microsoft release a video game console that freezes up and dies constantly? Not intentionally, but regardless of Apple's intention they may have some issues with the screens losing functionality.
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3it may be a good point, but it's obvious. if an important component breaks on a device, the device may become useless!
my current cell phone has an off and on issue with the battery charging port and there is no backup way to charge my battery. does that mean Motorola designed a stupid phone? - directive0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Anyone else notice that diagram of the iPhones screen is remarkable similar to the cutaway diagram of an LCARS display from the Star Trek Technical manual?
- sancho320, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3 This looks like some of the iPhone's competitors are starting to play dirty. To me this looks suspiciously like a malicious campaign, that intomobile.com was paid to post. Could be mistaken, but just keep it in mind for the future.
- sholt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Maybe you don't have enough electricity in you. You should try drinking more electrolytes.
- WaveRunningNakd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2wtf.
crazy idea: why don't we WAIT and see what happens instead of pulling out the virtual crystal balls. - geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Thank you for saying it before I could Daffy, you're 100% spot on.
- Typhoon2009, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3At least they owned up to it.
- TheNewFlesh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I suppose we'll find out if 1st Gen iPhones last longer than the original iPods soon enough.
It would be most unfortunate to those early supporters. - henrik.falk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You COULD all die today!
- EtherGnat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3This article is bogus, but it brings up a good point. If you have problems with the touch screen on your iPhone you're screwed until it is fixed. I had an issue with the touch screen on my WM5 phone, but was able to use it for months because it could be operated by the keyboard/hotkeys/D-pad.
- waxdart, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2...rriiiight. So, by your logic, if some analyst says "ZOMG! 1 plus 2 _could_ equal 37!!!" then we should check it out and decide whether we agree or not?
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3these anti-iphone articles based on complete out-the-ass ***** speculation are amazing. no wonder people hate bloggers. a few spread ***** like this with nothing more than some half-baked idea they got. it makes you wonder if they could someday be responsible for causing some sort of stock price manipulation, like what happened a few months ago.
they should pull the whole article. they leave the headline (for RSS readers) and put the little "update: we made this ***** up" at the end. way to get traffic you *****. - stephaneg111, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Look at how much normal use is... in 25 minutes of the apple demo video the guy taps like crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGpSShs3o48 - dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I was thinking the exact same thing.
- AfterTen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Fact: Some iPhones have dead spots and get replaced under warranty.
Fiction: Dead spots may be developing due to heat sensing based technology in the iPhone touch screen
Fiction: Many many more iPhone will get these dead spots because the heat sensing based technology wears out after 3-6 months.
The crap part of the article was its implications.
1. "Some users report dead spots and no one knows why"
2. "Ah ha!. The touch screen uses technology that wears out after 3-6 months. This may explain it!"
Therefore these early failures are simply on the low end of the failure bell curve
Therefore as we start getting into the meat of the failure bell curve in 3-6 months from launch the rate of failure is going to rapidly increase
Since #2 is crap the whole theory falls apart and you're back to square one that a small number of users are reporting failures and no one knows why yet.
So, what is the truth that the Mactards can't handle? That there are some iPhone hardware failures? Whoop de doo. That's not really too hard to handle. - DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Brawndo! It's got electrolytes!
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's not that difficult to explain. Yes, some people are having problems but not for the reasons claimed in this article. The article is claiming that the screens have a short lifespan because of the technology used. Well, they got the technology completely wrong. Did they just guess (incorrectly) how the thing works while claiming they got inside info from the owners of the technology? This particular article is very shady and people deserve to know that. I don't own an iPhone but I don't like to see incorrect information passed around because of ignorance or people unwilling to check the facts.
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