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- mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -16/+73If you take away the iPod features (Music, Video, Photos,etc) the phone part is pretty lame as I expected. I won't deny that this will be the best iPod they've ever made but definitely doesn't offer much in terms of phone functionality.
- No voice dialing? WTF? For me personally that's a non-starter, I use Voicedialing a lot especially when driving.
- No MMS - has become very popular as of late
- No IM - almost required these days. I think AT&T wants you to use SMS instead so they can make an easy buck
- No TeleNav support - doesn't require GPS so why wouldn't they at least offer this?
- IMAP/POP3 - will eat your battery life like there's no tomorrow. Especially with POP3 your iPhone will connect every X minutes to the server and check for messages, this will suck up battery. IMAP maintains an open connection with the server since all email is left on the server - not good for battery life either. Reason Blackberries have such good battery life is they don't poll for messages since they are "pushed" email by Blackberry servers as they arrive, this is also why Windows Mobile's DirectPush eats battery too because they still poll.
- How is built-in speakerphone, speeddialing, vibrate mode, pausing video/music when call comes in, recent called list, address book syncing make the iPhone a revolutionary mobile?!?! These features have been around for years. LAME.
In the end, if they were to come out with an iPhone without the phone = widescreen multi-touch iPod, I'd line up for that but not for this abomination. - yoursh, on 10/11/2007, -3/+52'- iPhone lets you carry on a phone conversation while you simultaneously browse the Internet or send an email'
Later on it states that this means with wi-fi, not over cellular. Just wanted to point that out. - Jeffrey903, on 10/11/2007, -5/+42Some of the more important pieces that were unclear (assuming that this document is accurate):
- iPhone lets you carry on a phone conversation while you simultaneously browse the Internet or send an email.
- There is a vibrate mode.
- iPhone users will not be able to conduct IM conversations with instant messaging users
- Does not support MMS messaging for photos or videos
- iPhone will not support the TeleNav solutions currently offered by other AT&T devices
- GPS is not part of the iPhone feature set. - turnthepage, on 10/11/2007, -1/+35cindynjgirl79@aol.com is going to get alot of emails.
- danpat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33No GPS is very disappointing. To have both maps and the cool multi touch interface, GPS navigation is the final piece to the puzzle, one that I would use plenty.
- Alegoo92, on 10/11/2007, -9/+37No instant messaging? Im not sure about that one.
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26Not having GPS sucks and makes the mapping integration almost useless. It's probably AT&T's fault there's no instant messaging, if they can make you send a text message instead then it's money.
- ideapower, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17yeah... those photos are BIASED!! ;)
- Jeffrey903, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22About the MMS - remember that there is e-mail support for pictures, so you can probably just e-mail your friends @vtext.com or whatever it is (I believe theres a service where you do phonenumber@service.com and it figures out which provider they are and forwards it, but I can't remember the name).
Also, for IM - I wouldn't be surprised if Meebo developed an iPhone compatible website (which was customized to fit the iPhone screen even better) that would give complete IM capabilities. - mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Talking while using data will only work with Wifi on the iPhone. AT&T/Cingular's 3G which uses HSPDA/UMTS does support simultaneous voice and data but the iPhone uses EDGE which does not. FYI...I had a Cingular 8125 from almost two years ago that had Wifi and you could talk and use Wifi at the same time...nothing groundbreaking here since Wifi and EDGE are two different radios.
- kris33, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16It is not the features that is new and cool with the iPhone, it is how they work.
And Apple are gonna relese a SDK BTW, so IM will be out at some point. - Tmacman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Steve's not going to be happy about these leaks coming from AT&T. Where Apple is like a vault - damn few secrets get out - AT&T is a freaking sieve.
- neuonyx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13As much as I love and want the iPhone badly there are some pitfalls that will hopefully be rectified in the next version. This is not a troll post, this is ment to call attention to items people shoudl think if they need when making this purchase.
These items are (unfortunately) important to me and are what is preventing me from being able to purchase the iPhone. I love it, I want it, but it doesnt currently fit my needs. I hope rev2 will incorporate some of these features:
1: EDGE instead of UMTS (3G)
1.5: Cannot simeltaneously use email and make phone call withOUT wifi. (3G phones [at least my 8525 does] allow this)
2: Instanant messaging ( ICQ, aim, msn, yahoo, etc.) are not available on iphone at this time unlike other internet enabled phones.
3: While I've read they will be opening up iPhone, at initial release: 3rd party apps are not available.
3.5: For some sysadmins, win remote desktop or putty ssh clients may be required ( and exist for other phones ) -- These are not currently available -- Its doubtful such clients will come to be. (doubtful becuase of lack of keyboard makes ssh difficult (need special keys like esc, ~, that i dont see in touch screen keyboard, and its unlikely that M$ will help apply by coming out with winRD for iphone.
4: Mobile office : I have not seen indication about ability to view/edit word, excel, powerpoint, etc docuemnts. Or iWork documents for that matter. For many business users, this is a requirement. I would guess it has a pdf viewer, however some people must be able to edit documents from their phone (as difficult as this is, it does exist on other platforms).
5: Current lack of VoIP apps.
These are some of my concerns. Perhaps there are work arounds or something in the works that will solve these problems in the near future. If anyone knows of a work around or plans for these to be implemented, please let me know so i can reset my countdown clock for when i can purchase one. :) - Anthet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11No mms? Woha, they better fix this before they launch in in europe. Phones dating back several years have mms support, everyone and his grandmother uses it (atleast in sweden). Not to mention the fact that its not 3g, damnit, I want one so friggin bad but this is just to much :(
- bumfilter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9"Apple's new, remarkably compact Bluetooth headset"
Any pictures of this around yet? I've probably missed this one. - sarahdug, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13Thank you, Kris, you're getting it.
What half the diggers here don't understand is that a device is not simply an amalgamation of features. How they are organized and put to use matters significantly for many people - tofslie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Oh, there are always ways to use IM if you have an internet connection. Meebo.com comes to mind.
- coldeve, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I am surprised by two things: The iPhone does not support MMS messaging and the manual did not mention 'the pinch' nor the multi-touch!
- ideapower, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8voice dialing is an absolute necessity. they're even making their own bluetooth headset... but they expect you to pick up the iPhone and dial a call? when driving, this is especially difficult on this device, as you can't really "feel your way around" the keypad like you can on other phones. i was somewhat considering getting one before, but this kills it for me.
- VulnoX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8What makes you think that? I mean really, what product made by Apple has multiple generations, each one adding features the previous did not have?
Apple?
Noooo... - Bamborzled, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@Tippis
Have you even heard of the term 'sarcasm'? - DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11"(This is in response to mobilehavoc's post)"
Then why are you quoting and responding to my post? - kris33, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/apple-releases-bluetooth-headset-new-headphones-for-iphone/
- silvalynin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"Keep in mind that there might be additional iPhone features that are announced at iPhone's launch as well as additional information about the features in this guide. (scan)"
Let's wait for WWDC... - MakinBacon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I don't know how mobilehavoc got so many diggs...
** No voice dialing? WTF? For me personally that's a non-starter, I use Voicedialing a lot especially when driving.**
- well I've had voice-dial on my last three phones and have used it about three or four times in 9 years. So for many people it's not as much of a "non-starter" as it is for you.
** No IM - almost required these days. I think AT&T wants you to use SMS instead so they can make an easy buck **
- there's no built in IM to AOL or MSN but the Safari browser is a full-fledged.
** No MMS - has become very popular as of late **
- really? I'd rather send pictures/ringtones/files to people via email on the iPhone than via MMS. I think phone companies want you to use MMS so they can make an easy buck (sound familiar?)
** No TeleNav support - doesn't require GPS so why wouldn't they at least offer this? **
- TeleNav support is simply a firmware solution. The iPhone has Bluetooth so the feature could easily be added if customer demand is there.
** IMAP/POP3 - will eat your battery life like there's no tomorrow. **
- as someone already mentioned... Jobs said during his Keynote that it uses PUSH technology.
Now I'm not saying that the iPhone is the greatest phone ever invented... but c'mon mobilehavoc... it isn't as bad as you make it out to be in EVERY SINGLE iPhone story on Digg. - bradleyland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Let's see. I have a photo on my phone I want to send. I can either send it via MMS, which uses up my messaging quota, or I can send it via my unlimited data plan. I'll go unlimited data. Honestly, since I've had the unlimited data, I rarely use MMS. Pretty much anyone I know who is capable of opening and viewing an MMS attachment on their phone has a phone that is capable of email.
- kheldorin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7I have a feeling the 1st-gen iPhone users will get screwed over when the 2nd-gen iPhone comes out with features that should have been in the first one.
- HOOKSTER1231, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6honestly, does anyone see this as something special? if no one has seen the 'dash' replacement from htc you really need to check it out. i think for a phone it will be WAY more useful than this phone. this is more likened to a psp+phone service. im sure sony is kicking their own ass for this one. for a new "groundbreaking " device should we really over look this iphone's faults for any reason? so yea, check out the other phones that are coming out too, and i will get dug down for not being an apple fanboy but it is not only windows mobile phones that will be over shadowing this one at half the cost very soon
- TheFightForGood, on 10/11/2007, -10/+13lack of MMS is the number 1 reason i wont be buying an iphone. only other problems i have are lack of instant messaging, and the price.
it would be nice to have the gps, but most other phones dont have it yet either. think I'll be getting the new razr when i upgrade it august. - Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Sorry... the iPhone hype broke my sarcasm compass long ago :(
- greenbeanz69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3im rather dissapointed about lack of gps, mms, and IM chat on such an expensive phone. I think im going to wait for the 2nd version of this which will hopefully come with 3g as well.
- countersoldat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I agree. I don't understand the people saying, "ohh, you are immature because you want to use aim on the phone.." etc, etc. AIM is one of the most popular methods of communication among students, and before you say students could not afford an iPhone, I suggest you go to a top-20 university and look around. I was hoping to be able to use IM programs while at a hotspot, etc, and the fact that you cannot seems ludicrous, especially when "inferior" phones are able to.
- josh4510, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Talking on the phone and browsing the Internet at the SAME TIME!!!
Well this should be fun to watch someone trying to master on the road!!! - chrisgeleven, on 10/11/2007, -14/+17Who cares about MMS? You send an e-mail to the @vtext.com or whatever with the photo in it.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Fake Flag.
- VulnoX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You are correct, but for now at least, until the software update, my Sprint version of the Moto Q does not do MMS, and it has not been a problem. I never used MMS before I got this phone, and now when I want to send pics I just use the e-mail client and can send to an MMS phone or whatever. See it isn't really a problem with a phone like the Q or the iPhone I am betting because you can store e-mail addy's in the phone and include them in outgoing messages.
My Q actually defaults to the e-mail addresses I have on file when sending a picture, which is a very much appreciated feature. - htdub, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"- IMAP/POP3 - will eat your battery life like there's no tomorrow. Especially with POP3 your iPhone will connect every X minutes to the server and check for messages, this will suck up battery. IMAP maintains an open connection with the server since all email is left on the server - not good for battery life either. Reason Blackberries have such good battery life is they don't poll for messages since they are "pushed" email by Blackberry servers as they arrive, this is also why Windows Mobile's DirectPush eats battery too because they still poll."
Don't think so , my e61 polls my IMAP mailbox account, it only keeps a active connection for the time it needs to update the phone, then drops the connection. My "Packet data connection dropped" popup shows up every 5min. ( Very annoying, thanks nokia)
Blackberry's have good battery life? Since when? My 8700r had a so-so battery. - apetty, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3In the keynote he said that they are pushed, not polled.
- Falldog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I loved reading "Revolutionary Mobile Phone" followed by "Dial any telephone number with the touch of a finger"
- gordeaoux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@seventoes
No. Buy glasses. - Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -9/+11@ jim1977
"however, these sold me right into a 24 month contract:
- Dial any telephone number with the touch of a finger
- Create and manage a list of telephone numbers you call most"
Ehm... Just about every phone I've used over the last couple of years have been capable of that. I might be missing something here, so please enlighten me, but I fail to see why those two are such selling points to you. O_o - superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This doesn't really tell us much we didn't already know (we knew t didn't have GPS). So why would the stock decline?
- VulnoX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Normally I hate it when people say they hate something with no reasoning, but after my experience with AT&T/Cingular, I can get behind this statement 100%.
- charliecharlos, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Anybody else notice that it won't use MediaNet for ringtones? Does that mean we can put whatever song we want as a ringtone? No MMS bugged me, but this more than makes up for it. SOLD!
- phpfreak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It's rather in which the way things are done, not the functions themselves, that make the phone remarkable.
- lixao, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Mobilehavoc, I don't want to sound mean, but I don't appreciate misleading comments, I think the iPhone is a great product which will force other companies to innovate to keep up with it, meaning better phones from everyone, it will definetely not suit everyone, but it will definetely introduce people to the concept that more functional devices do not need to be difficult to use. And now for my comments on your message:
[quote]If you take away the iPod features (Music, Video, Photos,etc) the phone part is pretty lame as I expected. I won't deny that this will be the best iPod they've ever made but definitely doesn't offer much in terms of phone functionality.[quote]
If you take away that much you are obviously going to make it look pretty bad, I think you shouldn't forget that apple is trying to appeal to a much larger audience than people that normally get smartphones, and therefore their emphasis falls on features that are used by most people, and giving most people more options. Two things that no one is talking about:
1. The iPhone allows you to check your answering machine messages in any order. If you just missed an important call, you don't have to wade through ALL your previous messages to listen to the message that you want.
2. It allows for conferencing and it actually allows you to do it relatively easily.
Although the second might not appeal to everyone, the first one, although not necessarily revolutionary, it does beg the question: Why didn't anyone do this before? Am I the only person that would like to listen to important messages first?
[quote]- No voice dialing? WTF? For me personally that's a non-starter, I use Voicedialing a lot especially when driving.[quote]
You are speaking out of context here, for most phones, dialing any number involves quite a few steps, with voice dialing, you press a button and you can then say the person's name in order to call them. Basically voice dialing makes a phone difficult dialling process a lot quicker, now if that process is really easy and accessible, it no longer becomes that important, if all you need to do is swipe your finger to unlock and then literally touch a big screen in order to dial one of your favourite numbers, it's no longer too much of an issue, I can't vouch for all phones, but my voice dialing requires me to press at least one button to activate it (if the phone is not locked, which then requires two touches), as long as your interface is easy enough to use, you can actually accomplish that task with as many touches without having to speak out the person's name.
[quote]No MMS - has become very popular as of late[quote]
MMS is just a gloried way for operators to get even more money from you, for something that doesn't cost them anything. Imagine paying to send emails... The fact that they are according to you becoming more popular, doesn't mean that the trend will continue, specially if email and unlimited data plans are provided. And by the way, at least in Europe, every manufacturer uses a different MMS system, and the video is not compatible between them.
[quote]- No IM - almost required these days. I think AT&T wants you to use SMS instead so they can make an easy buck[quote]
With a full browser using IM is just a question of browsing to the right website. And if demand is that high thanks to the synchronization capabilities of the phone, Apple could just include in the next update.
[quote]- No TeleNav support - doesn't require GPS so why wouldn't they at least offer this?[quote]
It will be a shame if the iPhone does not have any way to find it's current location, hopefully one of the unannounced features will cover for this.
[quote]- IMAP/POP3 - will eat your battery life like there's no tomorrow. Especially with POP3 your iPhone will connect every X minutes to the server and check for messages, this will suck up battery. IMAP maintains an open connection with the server since all email is left on the server - not good for battery life either. Reason Blackberries have such good battery life is they don't poll for messages since they are "pushed" email by Blackberry servers as they arrive, this is also why Windows Mobile's DirectPush eats battery too because they still poll. [quote]
You are obviously not very technical, IMAP does NOT require an permanent open connection to the server, as it can, just like POP3 download the messages to the phone and then disconnect, they do however both require periodical connections to the mail server in order to provide you with constant updates, on the other hand these connections are very short unless you are actually receiving any new email, as both protocols will only require a few kbytes to check your inbox.
As for your claims that a Blackberry have such a good battery life, either you never owned a blackberry or you never owned another phone that was NOT a Blackberry. Battery life on a Blackberry is about 4hrs talk time and 16 days stand-by and on a Windows Mobile SPV M5000 it's 8hrs talk time and 8 days stand-by, what a fantastic difference, considering most people charge their phones at least once every two days, I much rather have phone with a longer talk time... And by the way you probably missed the "Push" bit in "DirectPush", yes it technically does poll, but it does so in a very special way, by actually increasing the time out for the response enormously meaning that the server can reply much much later, dramatically reducing battery usage and connection requirements, yes it does poll but in this case it's actually for patent circumvention.
[quote]- How is built-in speakerphone, speeddialing, vibrate mode, pausing video/music when call comes in, recent called list, address book syncing make the iPhone a revolutionary mobile?!?! These features have been around for years. LAME.[quote]
Yes they have been around for years, but to make the stupidity behind your argument more obvious, if I want to, I can do word processing and listen to music in my computer using only the terminal, but I CHOOSE to use the easy to use to graphical interface because I can do what I want to quickly and efficiently. And learning how to do it does not require 4 years at university...
The argument that other phones can already do these things is not a valid argument. I have owned pretty much every iteration of Windows Mobile phones, and yes they can play music, browse the web and check email. But the music player is so bad, that I actually considered writting my own (not to mention that getting my bluetooth headphones to play music only works half of the time.
A great product does not emerge from having EVERY possible feature built in, great products come from knowing WHICH features are essential and making them WORK properly. Did you ever wonder why iPods sell more than Creative or Archos? Did you ever wonder why the Wii is such a success and the PS3 was a flop?
[quote]In the end, if they were to come out with an iPhone without the phone = widescreen multi-touch iPod, I'd line up for that but not for this abomination. [quote]
If you think an iPhone with it's smooth design is an abomination, you probably deserve to be using a Blackberry with it's renowned "sexy" design... - EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@sarahdug
Your arguments and attacks show it is you who are childish. My business makes extensive use of IM. My friends make extensive use of IM. Hell, even my 80 year old Grandma uses IM. There's nothing childish about instant messages, it's just another tool for communication. - SonofMaug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@macmcrae,
Really? Looks like AAPL is up .42 to $124.49 today, hmmm. Still looking for that drop... - jwdav, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1it's not that any feature by itself is questionable, it's how the features fit together and how usable they are that makes a product great, not how many (half-baked) features there are.
- phpfreak, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@lixao
Spot on! I agree with you 100%. I'm so tired of everyone bashing the device before it's released. What really bugs me are a few things you didn't touch on.
1.) "It's only 4GB or 8GB!" Okay, give me a break. What other phone has onboard storage of that capacity? Would you rather have better battery life (more storage would mean using a HD, which consumes more power), or some more storage (presumably for a higher price, too)? From the sounds of it, most people would like better battery life. Many people get along just fine with iPod Nanos.
2.) "You need a 2-year contract!" When do you not need to get a two year contract? Granted, phones are usually subsidized with a contract, but the iPhone without subsidization may allow for phone upgrades without adding onto your contract [that was initiated with the purchase of your iPhone].
3.) "The battery life is disappointing." How is 5 hours of talk time disappointing? Blackberries get 4 to 4.5 hours, so why is the iPhone's battery supposedly bad? Carriers try to trick you by putting their talk time in minutes in the specifications, so you may see something like 180 minutes of talk time, which is really three hours.
4.) "There's no hardware keyboard." 'Berries and Palms have tiny plastic keys, which I find extremely hard and tedious to type on. Let's face it, while we all try to sound like experts on the iPhone, none of us have actually used one. So we have no clue how typing is going to be. I'm sure Apple has made it as painless as possible - they can't afford for such a highly anticipated product to flop. Through their use of multi-tuch, I think the keyboard will be successful. And if you ask me, I'd rather have more screen real estate than a cheapy keyboard.
5.) "No third party applications!" This isn't 100% true, and in fact, it is probably completely false. Apple has come out and said that they'll do their best to open it up to developers, but they don't want to compromise security, etc. And remember, [probably] any web-based application will function on the iPhone. It's almost certain it'll support Flash & Javascript, which are both utilized on almost every website, including Apple's - they're going to want their own website to function flawlessly. -
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