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- dfsiii, on 10/12/2007, -7/+92Ah, {idle speculation} does seem feasible. In fact, {supporting fact from article} is true, so maybe {writer/blowhard} has a point! Imagine if {idle speculation} did happen. Surely {horrible ramifications for majority of user body} would follow, but {minor good point for Google/Apple/GPL} would make up for it. Down with {Microsoft/Microsoft/Microsoft}!
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26Goodbye on photoshop on Windows? Why in hell would Mac cut off 90% of their possible buyers? Simply: they wouldn't. Just like how MS develops Office for Mac, Macdobe would most definitely still develop for Windows, ESPECIALLY since resellers are selling Mac's with WinXP preinstalled, etc.
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I don't see why software shouldn't be made so it's approachable and people can actually use it. they call mac users snobs, when apple is trying to make software easy to use you want to make it that very few people would be able to do anything on their computers. OS X cluttered? uh huh... have you seen all the pop ups in the lower right hand corner, the messy file structure in explorer. Whatever you know best i guess.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19That would mean they would own macromedia as well.
That would make apple a very big player in the webdesign area - highpass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Ahh Cheney, i'm sure i'm not the first to say it, but at least you live up to your nickname.
"their interfaces are terrible"
Then change it. There are enough alternatives out there!
"***** like final cut pro or Motion"
Have you actually USED these applications? Funny how most professional users say that FCP is almost (or on) par with Avid, yet you seem to see it as Apple's version of Windows Movie Maker. Tosser.
"all their stuff is designed for people afraid of computers"
Utter monkey jisom. Their products are designed in a simple, yet incredibly productive way. There is enough under the hood to keep any Unix lover happy.
"Browsing for files and managing windows is huge chore, things get way more cluttered than windows and Dashboard and Expose are awful, I refuse to use them. "
Oh my god. Perhaps you have the IQ of a dead goldfish, I don't know, but if you spent longer than 5 minutes fiddling with one at PC World, you might notice how the window manager system & Expose is actually far more productive than Windows Explorer & Taskbar. Yes, the Finder does need improvement, but generally it's a matter of seconds to find things/move things/etc. If you don't like things cluttered, you can do all operations in one Finder window.
"owever osX browser can't handle mpeg2"
Are you running OS X on an old Performa, or what? If the problem persists, just change the view type from Column.
"You also can't edit any kind of file structure in browser windows (with a few exceptions) like deleting files or rearranging folders. That is RETARDED."
What the hell do you mean? Utter flid, it seems it is YOU that's been let out the nut house early. Perhaps you should spend a week using the OS, before making completely unfounded comments.
Anyway, back on topic:
Apple might greatly benefit from buying Adobe. I would hardly call it essential to it's survival, but it would be an excellent move. - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"Just as Media Player, Office, and IE were even worse than they already were on Macs."
Actually, it's pretty much universally accepted that Office:Mac is far better than Office on Windows.
And, no, I don't see Photoshop for Windows going away if Apple buys Adobe. - cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Didn't Apple just clear out its staff for Aperture? There might be something to this...
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Excellent point.
This rumor has been floated around before. I think it makes good sense for Apple. Adobe must rake in a pretty decent profit. Owning Adobe would ensure that Photoshop would always be native on the Mac, and if played right, they could do a reverse-Microsoft and release the new versions on Apple in the Spring and make the Windows users wait until Fall. That adds value to owning a Mac instead of a Dell.
Something to think about. - Nightspark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@ FullMetalMonkey:
Unless I'm mistaken, Apple does not have the cash to make it happen. At the moment they only have $6.346 billion in cash or cash equivalents. Adobe's current market cap is $23.77 billion. Unless someone gives them $17 billion, I can't see how they could buy Adobe at the moment. - pwinn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Apple will buy Adobe shortly after Google buys Sun, I think.
- CypherXero, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24OS X runs on Darwin, a derivitive of FreeBSD and has the official stamp of being UNIX. Microsoft has...uh...an emulated DOS command prompt...so go shove your comments up your ass, CTD.
Real computer users use *nix - Ajzzz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11iTunes and Quicktime are horrible on Windows. Just as Media Player, Office, and IE were even worse than they already were on Macs.
- OandA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Aperture is not like photoshop.
Apple could buy alot of things to secure its future...adobe could be one of them but i doubt it.
If apple did buy adoobe they'd be stupid to stop developing for windows. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9People forget fast. Remember what happened to Logic Audio? Releasing iTunes for Windows as a sort of iPod appendix and screwing the Windows people who used Logic for years as eMagic was an independent company - there's a difference.
- nextsteposx, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19Hmm, Cringely + Mac = Digg front page
- MyNameIsFred, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I doubt that Apple would drop Photoshop for Windows. However, if I recall correctly, when Apple bought Shake, and other video and sound editing software, they discontinued the Windows versions. So its not completely implausible.
- BlueLaser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm not so sure I agree. Apple absolutely needs MS Office to convince reluctant PC users to switch to OS X and Apple hardware- it's what the users are used to and its what they need to feel comfortable with making the switch. Apple's growth in hardware sales depends on gaining market share, and MS Office on Mac goes a long way in helping them achieve that goal.
Microsoft, on the other hand, doesn't rely on the Adobe creative products to gain a -significant- amount of market share. Graphics professionals (by and large) already use Macs (or -want- to use Macs) for Adobe products. The power users that do use Adobe on Windows likely make up a very small percentage of MS's total Windows market share.
The point? Apple needs Office on Mac much more than Microsoft needs Adobe on Windows. And my original point: Microsoft is already trying to create products to compete head-on with Adobe. Eliminating Adobe from that competitive space on Windows would be a huge boost to their own graphics offerings. - TalonTrax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Apple's got the cash and stock to make a LOT of things happen, but it still doesn't make sense.
- betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Photoshop is great, but most of the print industry relies on Illustrator and InDesign (Quark is losing market share left and right).
- appleswitch, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14"Nice, -10 diggs in nine minutes. Keep it coming!"
stop acting like some under-appreciated prodigy poet or something, digg buries Idiots
As for the story, It hasn't been the first time I've heard this, I still don't think it will happen but Its starting to get more and more real: http://digg.com/search?search=apple+buy+adobe&submit=Search&area=all&type=both&age=all&search-buried=on - FullMetalMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think that would be the best thing that Apple could do. If Microsoft ever decides to drop Office suport from the Mac they could drop support for Photoshop, Audition, After Effects, Image ready, etc!
- mattjumbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6A couple of responses to the board...
-Please check a finance website or two before replying. Yes, Apple could buy Adobe. No, Sony could not buy Apple. Have a look at some market caps. In fact, Apple could buy almost any electronics or software firm it wants to at this point with a few exceptions (MS, Dell, HP, etc.)
-If Apple did buy Adobe, who knows what they would do. They might very well kill the Adobe and Macromedia lines for Windows. They did exactly that when they were building their video editing markets: they bought some software rather than develop their own and then killed the Windows version. They do, however maintain Windows versions of Appleworks, iTunes, and Filemaker so who knows?
-If they did kill the Adobe/Macrodmedia products, the Mac would completely dominate the creative market. MS could not just "jump in" with replacement products as someone suggested. It would be years, at least, before MS could come up with real competition in the realm where Adobe and Macromedia dominate. For Pete's sake...it took them 11 years (Windows 95) to come up with a reasonably competitive GUI (and even that is stretching it; Windows 95 still wasn't as good as Mac OS 9). The more likely scenario is that MS would just cede the creative market to Apple. As someone pointed out, the creative pro market isn't all that big and Apple is strong in it already. - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8yeah they are using the presets but there is more to garageband than the presets. perhaps this is just giving people the confidence to carry on after seeing that they can do something. It should be enjoyable and not about reading an encyclopoedia worth of of information just to get something basic done. What i like about motion is that you can just go up and start doing some work and experiment and it just feels easy. Of course if you want to produce something kick ass you will need to know more than just the basics and more than one piece of software is required.
Another thing i like about OS X is that you have the option of keeping it really simple or fire up terminal. there is something for everyone in OS X. - Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Thursday?
er...forget you saw that...:-) - imnotquitesure, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Then Apple REALLY would own the creative industries, like MS owns the business apps.
- FullMetalMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Adobe may be big, but Apple is atleast twice its size!
Some links for you to see!
Adobe: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=adobe
Apple: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=apple&btnG=Search - cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's a good question. Even though Apple has been clear that they have no interest in having OSX run on non-Mac machines, with the switch to Intel, it is within reason that they could make a version of Final Cut that runs on Windows if they wanted to.
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5hey to compete with microsoft you have to do what you have to do.
- iWorks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Informative? it's all speculation.
- bigkm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4reverse microsoft,
Last Office PC version i seen was 2003,
The OS X version is 2004 with more features, what are you on. - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5WMP for mac is just terrbile you can't even play DRM'd music on it. Office is pretty good on OS X, I think they did a good job (still a bit complicated to use for software you might use every working day).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Apple buys Adobe.
Quits all support of Windows across the board for all applications.
Gains the print design, video editing, web development community by forcing them to switch to Apple or else find other vendors that support Windows and learn new software.
As the Adobe/Macromedia masses begin their move over to Apple - Microsoft shares start diving on the NYSE.
Steve Jobs as biggest shareholder of Disney influences the board of directors to make the switch to Apple across the board with all Disney/ABC properties.
IT magazines across the world notes corporate shifts from Windows to Mac.
MS shares on NYSE continue their dive.
Apple Shares continue a steady trend upward. Market value for the company reaches 250 Billion.
Steve Balmer throws a chair at Steve Jobs during a press conference where Steve Jobs announces that Apple has purchased Google.
Bill Gates announces his retirement. Six months later he commits suicide.
Steve Jobs presses charges against Steve Balmer. Steve Balmer goes to prison for assault.
Microsoft shares are at a 20 year low!
Apple buys Microsoft.
Apple announces the sunset of the Windows OS and end of support.
I guess it makes perfect sense for Apple to buy Adobe.... from one point of view. - bbroxter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Apple would not buy Adobe with cash. They would trade and/or issue shares of stock. Cash on hand has very little to do with the ability to purchase a company. That is why stock price and market cap is important to most companies
- Narshe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This article is the biggest pile of crap I have read in a long time.
I have no respect Cringely now. - lytfyre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4really. you have never read a PDF?
say what you want about them being irritating as hell when used on the web, they are neccesary when formatting is as important as content (like for example legal documents or documents that are going to be batch proccessed with OCR or MICR. - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4no adobe has some great software... they would incorperate certain feature into their own software otherwise sell them as seperate pieces of software. On a side note I wish apple had bought maya but now Autodesk (poor track record os supporting other operating systems) owns them. Quark sucks, it's so damn expensive, but at least they have a universal build of express earlier than adobes indesign.
- Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm not so sure, actually - if Apple did by Adobe then they can hold 'no Photoshop' over Microsoft in the event that Microsoft hold 'no Office' over Apple.
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Ah - I see FullMetalMonkey has already said this.
Unlikely but something to think about. - bbroxter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"One thought, Adobe is worth more than Apple, so I really don't see this happening"
Last time I checked Apple had a market cap of 60.2 B and Adobe has a market cap of 23.7 B - iWorks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Preview is no Acrobat...
- hausome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If they bought Firefox next, they'd be one step closer to ruling the world....
- Nightspark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4http://finance.google.com/finance?fstype=bi&cid=22144
- chutz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Discontinuing all Adobe products on Windows would not kill Windows, or even come remotely close. Adobe applications are only used by a tiny minority of users, I have never actually needed to use any Adobe product, for the extremely infrequent image editing I do, I simply use the Gimp. I have never had any use for anything else made by Adobe.
Not everybody on the planet is a graphic designer, most people use a Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Email and occasionally something similar to Access (Access has a LOT more users in the world than Photoshop). - krewemaynard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Why on Earth would they kill Photoshop on Windows? Or did you just wake up this morning looking for something to be afraid of? If so, I'd be more concerned about Apple discontinuing Linux versions of Acrobat Reader and Flash (since Adobe now owns Macromedia). Photoshop isn't going anywhere.
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Doesn't apple own filemaker and they still produce a version for windows. I'm sure they will continue developing for windows but since most windows users hate apple it would just EAT them up inside (wouldn't you just DIE if that really happened?). Also Apple could finally develop photoshop to make full use of OS X and then the wintel version could be its usual self.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Good article, except for the bit at the end about Aperture...
a) Aperture is not meant to "replace" photoshop, only complement it. Goodbye Lightroom though...
b) Aperture is still under development, the story was incorrect and the team was just reorganized. Aperture is still going. - mattjumbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apple has a larger market cap than Sony so its not really possible for them to buy Apple. It would take more than their entire company is worth.
- naisanza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3thats noot cool apple. you shouldnt do that
- FullMetalMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Your claims are interesting andplausible, but I'm still sticking with my belief that they both rely equally on both products. As you said Apple needs Office becuase thats what people are used to, and Microsoft needs all of Adobes product becuase thats what the users are used to. The graphic artists may already be using macs, but there are plenty of other programs owned by Adobe. What if they dropped Flash support? What if they dropped all of Macromedias old apps?
- orangetiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I am not sure if I woudl like that. Apple aleady has their hands full.
And on a personal note, I am still missing Macromedia. Don't break my heart again so soon. - orangetiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know a lot of fanboys would be like " yeah! stick it to the man, grind it until it hurts" for some revenge feeling on some level, but if adobe was taken off windows, it would just open doors for other programs, and then pidgeon hole adobe.
personally though, designing on windows is a lot rougher on windows then a mac personally, but if your a good designer, you can work with whatever is thrown at ya. Even (shudder) corel -
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